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HouseDV8 -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/24/2007 6:09:27 PM)
I quote: 've come to feel sympathy for this profession. While once in awhile they get lucky and get a decenet sincere man who really wants to submit to a dominant woman.. the majority of the guys are the ones who couldn't attract a hungry wolf with a raw steak tied around their neck. i just wrote about this the other day on a different thread so i am not going to go into all that again...it was very long winded. But you know what??? THIS IS SO MUCH CRAP! The gentlemen that see me are INCREDIBLE. They are sexy, powerful, taking great care of their bodies, minds, spirits. i love them so much, they are wonderful subs. i will say that i see so few that i hardly even qualify as a Pro. Yes, they do pay me, but it is not even a second or third income for me. i have only seen one new gentleman in the last year...maybe longer. So, maybe i have great guys because i only accept the great ones...or maybe i am better at writing a site and ads that get me what i want...i certainly have plenty of experience at marketing...but either way, they are still wonderful guys...powerful men who have succeeded in life professionally AND personally. They seek balance. They need a very sexually powerful woman that can absolutely get them to do anything she wants because she has created in them such a deep desire to please her. It is not about having penis to vaginal sex...but it is highly sexual, erotic and powerful. To the girl that started all this...stop advertising on a free site or stop whining that you get what you pay for. To the guy that said her ad is not clear enough...have never seen it, maybe you are right...since she is advertising here i am betting she has very little skills at attracting the right clientele or writing an effective site/ad...however, it would be a very rare thing...not a common thing as you suggested for a sub that is sincerely seeking a pro Dom to expect sex...most of them, even though they are very horny guys and want to get off and love the idea of having sex with a beautiful woman, do not desire it to actually be an option. If a pro Dom offered it to them the whole fantasy would be ruined. It is about dangling the carrot in front of their noses...always so close, but always unobtainable. Hence, the erotic pix. And even this only applies to that certain type of client...many are cross dressers and do not even want the presence of their penis acknowledged. They want to be made to be girly, and slutty in a girly way, but not treated like a horny man. There are still many many other fetishes...just as many as their are in the leather community at large. Now, about prostitution - first of all, that is a legal term. In the profession the term escort is most common, but there are also other terms used. The word prostitution is vulgar and bring to mind a junkie street whore...and that IS who the losers are seeing. Prostitution - the exchange of money for sex, is, as someone pointed out, illegal in most all of the US, but, as someone else pointed out, not so much in the rest of the world. Escorting, however, is not. There are tens of thousands of escorts in the US. It is a huge international industry and an escort can advertise on any number of easily accessible professional web sites ran by corporations that are in office spaces just like any other legit business. It is not a dirty secret. Escorts exchange time for money. Whatever is done with that time is between two (or more) consenting adults. Whether or not they have sex is up to them. The review sites out there are full into the millions with specific and graphic reviews on encounters with escorts but the sites are all covered with a disclaimer of fiction. In other words, grow up! It is out there...whether you like it or not, or approve or not. It is a huge industry and it is very popular with very powerful and handsome men. The concept that only a loser would see an escort or see a Pro Dom is NUTS! First of all, losers cannot afford most escorts. The average price for an escort in this country is $400/hour...some much lower, some much much higher. Second, really good, successful escorts screen all their clients. They will not set an appointment with anyone that does not provide them with the information they require.

mnottertail -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/24/2007 6:27:53 PM)
LOL, both you clowns...... perhaps there is a middle way, using prostitutes. Ron(ne)

laurell3 -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/24/2007 6:30:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail LOL, both you clowns...... perhaps there is a middle way, using prostitutes. Ron(ne) I'm calling for naked jello wrestling instead!

mnottertail -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/24/2007 6:33:30 PM)
that just flippped the whole universe upside down, do you realize that you are asking for a suspension of physical law? God(de)

HouseDV8 -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/24/2007 6:39:11 PM)
second the motion for naked wrestling, but i would prefer to do it in something that does not contain sugar, or artificial sugar, or preservatives, or food coloring... but i am not picky! lol OK...so can i tell my story of naked oil wrestling? i mean, i have better stories, but it is not bad! Wait...i have two!

slaveboyforyou -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/24/2007 6:49:06 PM)
quote: it's not an ad, it's my fucking profile. don't you dare blame me for this. and how dare you assess my skills. no wonder you can't get clients, you're a twit. try dictionary.com once in a while, it might help your points stick. I hate to burst your bubble, but your profile is an advertisement for your services. I fully believe that you get the most disgusting, demeaning, insulting emails from every weirdo imaginable. But honestly, what did you expect? You don't seem like a dumb woman to me, and you have to know that making threads like these attracts even more hateful emails from the very people you are complaining about. I am not going to call you a whiner or anything derogatory. But I have to ask you and every other person that makes these kinds of threads, what is the point?

sub4mistressinnj -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/24/2007 9:43:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: it's not an ad, it's my fucking profile. don't you dare blame me for this. and how dare you assess my skills. no wonder you can't get clients, you're a twit. try dictionary.com once in a while, it might help your points stick. I hate to burst your bubble, but your profile is an advertisement for your services. I fully believe that you get the most disgusting, demeaning, insulting emails from every weirdo imaginable. But honestly, what did you expect? You don't seem like a dumb woman to me, and you have to know that making threads like these attracts even more hateful emails from the very people you are complaining about. I am not going to call you a whiner or anything derogatory. But I have to ask you and every other person that makes these kinds of threads, what is the point? Well this is a lifestyle site for starters. I don't care either way about Pro Dommes, if they want to take money for S&M sessions then more power to them, it doesn't affect me at all. I agree with what you said, and she should consider the source of these emails and not let it bother her.

Petronius -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 5:11:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JordanNYC quote: ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne But I still don't really understand why a Domme would let being called prostitute upset her. She either is - or isn't - as defined by the law in her state. That is completely her free choice. These guys are just mad because they want her but cannot afford her. And they know it. I am upset with the notion of supposedly submissive men being rude without the slightest provocation. Being insulting in every shape and form possible. I don't give a hoot what the legal definition is. I care that pathetic assholes are insulting me for the sake of feeling better about their worthless selves. Three things come to mind: 1) If you don't like how your potential customers behave don't sell to them. That's a truism in any business. 2) If you think customers are being rude "without the slightest provocation" one could perhaps reconsider if there might actually be some form of provocation, however "slight" that one is unaware of. 3) If you routinely think of your customers are "worthless" see point 2 above. In any economic situation the buyers take precedence over the sellers. If one is in business and routinely has problems with customers, it's usually better to reconsider the quality, marketing, and advertising of one's product then to whine that the customers don't live up to your product.

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 6:56:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JordanNYC i am finding submissive men are writing me here more and more often simply to insult me and call me a prostitute. wtf? are they just frustrated? are they THAT pathetic? either way, it's irritating, to say the least. I will try and give you the most realistic answer possible. Nobody can argue with the technicality of demand and supply. However I think this issue relates mostly to with presence of different ideologies in different places. The fact of the matter is that there is not one place that Pro Dommes are not present in abundance, this includes all personals sites. Often any issue taken with that in itself will insult Pro Dommes. I will be honest and say that even in a country where BDSM was born I have studied some personals sites there, and it is hard to find a Domme I would be interested in through the sea of Pros. It makes it possibly 10 times longer in time and effort to see them, I cant say this actually does Dommes looking for a relationship that much favour, Im not saying Im what a Domme would want or anything, Im just saying this as an observation in terms of what things are like from different needs and what one seeks etc. I am of the opinion that Pro Dommes cause the social grease to defect from the ever slower cog-wheels of sexual liberation and my IQ is roughly the same as Sharon Stones. If anyone is offended this would most probably be down to reactive thinking as opposed to a calm ananysis, I know what Im talking about I can revert an acute state of MDMA induced psychosis within someone in the space of 20 minutes till they are asleep like a baby.

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 6:58:19 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iknEJf9cPeY

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 7:00:22 AM)
All this I believe is one of the reasons that Dommes and subs tend not to use these sites to find relationships. I find them ok though but I dont depend on them.

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 7:06:10 AM)
Bugger, I even have lots of writings, designs and plans that would make things more kinktastic for all. Like creating an encapsuled equivelant mainstream kinky environment, in which the invisible lines of sociology connecting the strings from the social mores and misconceptions of the outside world would be cut. Just thought I would mention that. Ill be off now.

LotusSong -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 7:13:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Petronius Three things come to mind: 1) If you don't like how your potential customers behave don't sell to them. That's a truism in any business. 2) If you think customers are being rude "without the slightest provocation" one could perhaps reconsider if there might actually be some form of provocation, however "slight" that one is unaware of. 3) If you routinely think of your customers are "worthless" see point 2 above. In any economic situation the buyers take precedence over the sellers. If one is in business and routinely has problems with customers, it's usually better to reconsider the quality, marketing, and advertising of one's product then to whine that the customers don't live up to your product. If some of the full time pros did what you said ... they'd be starving to death.

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 8:01:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MuscleCuteClever I will be honest and say that even in a country where BDSM was born I have studied some personals sites there, and it is hard to find a Domme I would be interested in through the sea of Pros. It makes it possibly 10 times longer in time and effort to see them, I cant say this actually does Dommes looking for a relationship that much favour, Im not saying Im what a Domme would want or anything, Im just saying this as an observation in terms of what things are like from different needs and what one seeks etc. I am of the opinion that Pro Dommes cause the social grease to defect from the ever slower cog-wheels of sexual liberation Important to note also is that this will in turn affect the love live of a Pro Domme (who is into it), it doesnt take a genius to work that out by deduction, as well as the sentiments that are born towards Pros in all this, while who is to tell if she just another "not Domme just doing it for money" or not out of the other 19/20 etc etc. Commercializm can do an awful lot of damage. I have a freind who has written a book on the privatization of space if the human race ever ventures that far, its quite interesting. He has a PhD in sociology.

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 8:23:24 AM)
quote: http://www.labyrinthnyc.com Four reasons based in sexism: 1) Many males still have issues enough with females and sex, both, as to think that "prostitute" is an insult in some way. 2) Sexually confident females are threatening especially if they aren't open to having sex with them. -Same thing that causes them to call females who display that confidence as "sluts" regardless of the female's experience level (if any) or tendencies, call females who turn them down a "lesbian" or "bitch" or "cunt"... and so on. 3) Inability to see an attractive female, pro-dom or not, overtly sexual or completely modest in mode, as anything other than a commodity to be bought in some manner. Which brings us to... 4) ... Entitlement. They becoming angry when the object they want to buy turns out to not be for sale, but rather to be a person who is selling skills and services while daring to be attractive at the same time. And we rotate back to 1 where they make a lame attempt at insult by labeling you with the thing they wish you were. Thank god for the males that don't have these issues! But no, I don't tend to get random "prostitute!" drive-bys here on CM... or really elsewhere... just guys that want me to do a pro session for them for free or guys who lose interest after I explain that I don't do sexual services or let them touch me (except to paint my toenails or the like). Interesting reply, 1, The sentiment of the word prostitute could also be down to the interpretation of the receiver. 2, Theres truth in that. However this isnt really a case of rejection or not and dating etc no?, this is about Pro Dommes I thought? 3, Pro Domme (why do you use "Pro-Dom" thats the male version isnt it?). If I am not mistaken the "Pro" part of Pro Domme means that she expects money in exchange for her services. Therefor I am a bit confused as to why you talk about the commoditization of females, especially seeing as this social more in the outside world is actually one that causes the problems for the F/m dynamic in the 1st place. 4, I cannot make sense of this, if a Pro Dommes is given money she will give you her services, if a conventional mainstream prostitute is given money she will give you her services. If anyone is refused and they take issue then that is lame of them, however I dont think the original intention of this thread was about that, it was about male subs who take offence at Pro Dommes here, I wouldnt imagine they are interested in their services. and yeh, them guys who want to get Pro session etc. I think they are a pain too and influence the social environment of these places in such a way that is detrimental to others.

MuscleCuteClever -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 8:30:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HouseDV8 The gentlemen that see me are INCREDIBLE. They are sexy, powerful, taking great care of their bodies, minds, spirits. i love them so much, they are wonderful subs. i will say that i see so few that i hardly even qualify as a Pro. I think this is an interesting subject. The comparmentalization of sexuality into a buyers and sellers market place, a secret affair off the fore. Culturally ironic in light of the ways that F/m is described to suffer due to the social mores of the outside world as in effect we have the same thing in that women are for the commodity of the male sexual urge and I believe that Pro Domming comes under this catagory seeing as they are being payed to fullfill male sexual fantasies. This does nothing for me as I am more into female Domination (but probably not what most here think it is), but still an interesting subject.

LadyLupineNYC -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 9:14:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MuscleCuteClever ...even in a country where BDSM was born ... um....honestly...this seems like something I would be hesitant to claim. There is no 'official' birthplace of BDSM (the term itself is even quite modern, only being used for the past 30 or so years, before that just SM was more comon) and, much like the debate on the when and where of Jesus' birth on this beautiful Christmas morning- there is much debate about even the more modern aspects of bdsm. There are many aspects of kink that started out originally as very unsexual (speaking of which, I can't wait to experiment with waterboarding this upcomming weekend [:)]) which are now utilized in ritual, sexual play, and deep D/s relationships.

MzMia -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 9:49:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Petronius quote: ORIGINAL: JordanNYC quote: ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne But I still don't really understand why a Domme would let being called prostitute upset her. She either is - or isn't - as defined by the law in her state. That is completely her free choice. These guys are just mad because they want her but cannot afford her. And they know it. I am upset with the notion of supposedly submissive men being rude without the slightest provocation. Being insulting in every shape and form possible. I don't give a hoot what the legal definition is. I care that pathetic assholes are insulting me for the sake of feeling better about their worthless selves. Three things come to mind: 1) If you don't like how your potential customers behave don't sell to them. That's a truism in any business. 2) If you think customers are being rude "without the slightest provocation" one could perhaps reconsider if there might actually be some form of provocation, however "slight" that one is unaware of. 3) If you routinely think of your customers are "worthless" see point 2 above. In any economic situation the buyers take precedence over the sellers. If one is in business and routinely has problems with customers, it's usually better to reconsider the quality, marketing, and advertising of one's product then to whine that the customers don't live up to your product. This was very well stated, many of the "ads" speak for themselves. We all have different styles and tastes here. I would like to add, that even the non Professional's here can also be insulted. Many men just don't take rejection well!

TexasMaam -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 10:51:32 AM)
I doubt they're submissives. Just hng's trying to be self righteous. TM

Politesub53 -> RE: how many of the pros get called a prostitute? (12/25/2007 4:36:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MuscleCuteClever and yeh, them guys who want to get Pro session etc. I think they are a pain too and influence the social environment of these places in such a way that is detrimental to others. How can anyone who is more openminded than you, influence anywhere to be socially detrimental ? pro Dommes provide a service, some guys decide to use it. Whats the problem with this in general and how does it affect yor enviroment ?

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