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BruisedHick -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 1:09:49 PM)

Thanks, LadyHugs,

I've just had other things to do, and will continue to do so.  However, I will be here more sporadically without counting my own posts.

Yours,


benji




BitaTruble -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 1:23:12 PM)

Greetings to Joy and DS4

I didn't use the word secret .. I said those two groups don't divulge the inner workings of their sanctums and they don't.  The fact that both orgs have websites doesn't mean that all and sundry are privvy to their 'ways' of business.

Celeste




LadyLupineNYC -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 1:39:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Zaraseeks

LadyL, seems I am "me too" ing everything You say, lol, sorry, but I agree, ...


Yes...I have noticed you seem to be following me around on the boards...[;)]




DarkDaddyZ -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 2:08:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeggyO

Hello,

I will admit that I fully believe the "Ancient Houses of Training" are a crock.  I have met people who say they have been trained in these ancient houses, yet they seem to be lacking in knowledge that they should absolutely have had.  For example, one person said they had spent years in an aristocratic house in England yet didn't know the first thing about either England's basic geography or tea.  The former I could see to a certain extent if they never left the house, but the fact is that you can't spend any amount of time in an aristocratic English house without being exposed to tea.

And of course, all the other shadowy "I can't talk about it stuff"..............none of it has ever added up to anything but someone trying to give themselves some sort of credibility that somehow they thought they needed.  When you start asking a question or two that delves into details, the whole thing just seems to fall apart.

And the point of there being no paper trail is telling.  Even a few hundred years or so ago, as was pointed out, there would have been some kind of record, some kind of trail.  Folks have to be fed, clothed, given medical attention.  In an era as religious as that of a few centuries ago in Northern Europe, it would have been almost impossible to avoid things like church and baptismal records - having a large household of people who never attended church would have been unheard of and would have been the target of legal persecution. 

I have also heard from people that Laura Antoniou's Marketplace series is actualy semi-factual and is based on a real life network of houses and slave trade.  Laura finds this highly amusing.

Be well,

Peggy

First: Glad to see you post Peggy!

I think that some BDSM people want to be Masons![:D] When I first got into it, the secret societies I heard about were a turn on.  When some (early 90s) groups tried that at first that was a turn on too, note: at first.

But a crock is a crock!

Z-




domiguy -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 2:08:56 PM)

This would be my over all response to all of this bullshit and to these threads...."Get a Life!!!" It seems that way to many people make this shit the focus of their very existance....How sad.

Do you realize there is a world full of other shit going on out there? ....Go out to fucking eat....Go boating, watch the sunrise or set. Go Bowling...Good gawd, if you must watch Nascar....Get some sort of another fucking hobby!...To be preoccupied with this shit virtually 100% of the time....Makes you not to right in the head.

Merry Christmas ....You motherfuckers.




MadRabbit -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 2:18:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

And, why should i care about any of this? 


I think this discussion is important for two reasons :

1. Beleive it or not, there is some individuals who come to boards like these with biographies asserting a claim to deserving of some special degree of royalty because of their connection to these organizations. Just like the history of the Old Guard, what the truth is and how things really happened is important for determining who is real and who is a fantasy wanker.

2. The lack of integrity with Jade's "facts" calls into question any of the other "facts" she presents in her other essays.




Leatherist -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 5:55:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

And, why should i care about any of this? 


I think this discussion is important for two reasons :

1. Beleive it or not, there is some individuals who come to boards like these with biographies asserting a claim to deserving of some special degree of royalty because of their connection to these organizations. Just like the history of the Old Guard, what the truth is and how things really happened is important for determining who is real and who is a fantasy wanker.

2. The lack of integrity with Jade's "facts" calls into question any of the other "facts" she presents in her other essays.


Perhaps Jade got her facts from Sir Stephen. [:D]




mnottertail -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 5:58:30 PM)

At what point do the Ancient Houses simply become Old Peoples Homes?

Wm. Coldridge Taylor




Leatherist -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 6:01:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

At what point do the Ancient Houses simply become Old Peoples Homes?

Wm. Coldridge Taylor



It can be difficult to gage the actual time that the alzhiemers and dementia set in. Usually,they start raving about true first- then they can't remember any refferences from before breakfast time.




DS4DUMMIES -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 6:17:12 PM)

Hi Bita...I was simply poking fun, which is my MO most of the time....:)  I simply come from a school of thought, that says this is - at least for me - far more worthy of being an intimate relationship, than part of a group effort. when i see lightning bolts flashing on a web page, I'm simply hard pressed to take it very seriously.  However, if what I had written seemed in its' essence designed to cast shadows on you, I do apologize. It was not my intent to do so. :)


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Greetings to Joy and DS4

I didn't use the word secret .. I said those two groups don't divulge the inner workings of their sanctums and they don't.  The fact that both orgs have websites doesn't mean that all and sundry are privvy to their 'ways' of business.

Celeste




DS4DUMMIES -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 6:20:07 PM)

.....well..I was served by the Dead Sea Subs.... isn't that ancient enough??? :)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

At what point do the Ancient Houses simply become Old Peoples Homes?

Wm. Coldridge Taylor





mnottertail -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/24/2007 6:24:31 PM)

You will not be offended if I examine your penis scroll, for authenticity?

Abdul abar abar bar Har




slavegirljoy -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/27/2007 7:59:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Greetings to Joy and DS4

I didn't use the word secret .. I said those two groups don't divulge the inner workings of their sanctums and they don't.  The fact that both orgs have websites doesn't mean that all and sundry are privvy to their 'ways' of business.

Celeste

Well, the websites of these two groups did divulge quite a lot of information about their structure and operations, especially Athenor on its FAQ page, http://athenorlodge.com/FAQ.htm and on its Structure page, http://athenorlodge.com/Structure.htm.
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David




slavegirljoy -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/27/2007 8:26:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

And, why should i care about any of this? 


I think this discussion is important for two reasons :

1. Beleive it or not, there is some individuals who come to boards like these with biographies asserting a claim to deserving of some special degree of royalty because of their connection to these organizations. Just like the history of the Old Guard, what the truth is and how things really happened is important for determining who is real and who is a fantasy wanker.

Claims without any credibility are meaningless to me.  Anyone can claim anything they want and often do.  They mean nothing to me.

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2. The lack of integrity with Jade's "facts" calls into question any of the other "facts" she presents in her other essays.
This person has no relevance to me and neither do any of the, so called, facts she states.  i have never visited her website or read her writings and i honestly don't understand why people on CM give her website so much attention.  But, if some people like reading what she has to say, that's their business.  i just don't see why it should be such a hot topic on this website.  There are lots of other websites, that contain information on BDSM and the information they present never gets discussed here.  Why should that one particular site be singled-out so much on these forums?
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David




BitaTruble -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/27/2007 8:59:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Greetings to Joy and DS4

I didn't use the word secret .. I said those two groups don't divulge the inner workings of their sanctums and they don't.  The fact that both orgs have websites doesn't mean that all and sundry are privvy to their 'ways' of business.

Celeste

Well, the websites of these two groups did divulge quite a lot of information about their structure and operations, especially Athenor on its FAQ page, http://athenorlodge.com/FAQ.htm and on its Structure page, http://athenorlodge.com/Structure.htm.
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David


My point is, while there is information which 'is' put out there for to the general public, this is a lot of information which is 'not' put out there to the general public and this is not an opinion I hold, but a fact of which I have personal knowledge regarding both groups I mentioned.

Celeste




BitaTruble -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/27/2007 9:07:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

There are lots of other websites, that contain information on BDSM and the information they present never gets discussed here.  
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David



Try putting the term 'steel door' into the search engine and see if you still hold to that absolute 'never' opinion.

Celeste




Rover -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/28/2007 5:58:06 AM)

Fast Reply to no one in particular....

I'm pressed for time, so this will be necessarily short (keep the applause to a minimum).
 
Even Lord Colm does not substantiate Jade's references to ancient Houses.  CastleRealm is readily acknowledged to be full of fantasy portrayed as reality, and this is simply one of the more egregious examples.  Of course, sometimes the whopper is the one folks want to believe.
 
I hate to reference myself, but I do think this is relevant to the topic....  http://www.thedomsview.com/Vol7/I4/feature1.htm
 
Wishing you all a healthy and prosperous New Year.
 
John




KatyLied -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/28/2007 6:00:03 AM)

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I hate to reference myself,


That almost sounds naughty!
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Wishing you all a healthy and prosperous New Year.


The same to you.




slavegirljoy -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/28/2007 9:00:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Greetings to Joy and DS4

I didn't use the word secret .. I said those two groups don't divulge the inner workings of their sanctums and they don't.  The fact that both orgs have websites doesn't mean that all and sundry are privvy to their 'ways' of business.

Celeste

Well, the websites of these two groups did divulge quite a lot of information about their structure and operations, especially Athenor on its FAQ page, http://athenorlodge.com/FAQ.htm and on its Structure page, http://athenorlodge.com/Structure.htm.
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David


My point is, while there is information which 'is' put out there for to the general public, this is a lot of information which is 'not' put out there to the general public and this is not an opinion I hold, but a fact of which I have personal knowledge regarding both groups I mentioned.

Celeste


Okay, that's understandable.  And, i'm sure that there are many other private groups in existence that are very exclusive and offer training in BDSM.  In fact, there are probably many more small, private groups out there that have no website at all.  People can form whatever private group they choose. 
 
But, i still don't see why any of these groups or the, so called, "Ancient Houses" should be given any more credibility than any other group or why they should be considered some sort of "standard bearer" of what is and isn't BDSM, just because they are private and exclusive and kept behind a 'veil of concealment' by only disclosing partial information about themselves. 
 
Some people might need that sort of thing to give them some basis of "authenticity" or sense of "authority" on what should and shouldn't be done in their BDSM activities or how they should be doing them.  Some people don't need that.  Some people prefer to be individualists and to decide for themselves what they should and shouldn't do in their personal BDSM activities.
 
i just really hope that those who are new to BDSM aren't made to feel that they must learn and follow the ways of one of these groups or 'houses of training' in order to be seen as 'authentic' in the eyes of fellow BDSMers and that they can choose to make their own path in their personal BDSM journey. 
 
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

There are lots of other websites, that contain information on BDSM and the information they present never gets discussed here.  
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David


Try putting the term 'steel door' into the search engine and see if you still hold to that absolute 'never' opinion.

Celeste


i stand corrected.  i try never to use the word 'never'.  i actually meant to say that "the information they present never seems to get discussed here." And, to be more exact, they never seem to get discussed here with such scrutiny as CastleRealm.
 
i did just do a search of the term 'steel door' and i was given many pages of posts to look at.  i looked at several and found the anything with the word "steel", as in "steel buckle", and anything with the word "door", as in "closed door", came up.  Even in the posts where "steel-door" was found, they were either links to the website, itself, or just referencing the website to find additional information.  i found no in-depth discussions about "steel door" or about the information presented on that website.  Maybe, i'm just not very good at doing searches on here and someone else can find the sort of discussions on "steel door" like there are about CastleRealm.  If so, i would be interested in reading them.
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David




ownedgirlie -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/28/2007 9:54:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slavegirljoy

i did just do a search of the term 'steel door' and i was given many pages of posts to look at.  i looked at several and found the anything with the word "steel", as in "steel buckle", and anything with the word "door", as in "closed door", came up.  Even in the posts where "steel-door" was found, they were either links to the website, itself, or just referencing the website to find additional information.  i found no in-depth discussions about "steel door" or about the information presented on that website.  Maybe, i'm just not very good at doing searches on here and someone else can find the sort of discussions on "steel door" like there are about CastleRealm.  If so, i would be interested in reading them.
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David


I just did a search of "steeldoor" and found 8 posts with recommendations to the site.  No comments or discussions on it, though, and I believe that's because people either are unaware of it or it is not a controversial site like CastleRealm is. 

Maybe we should start pulling excerpts of Steel Door and discussing them.  I haven't been there in ages but once found it to be an exemplary resource.




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