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happypervert -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 8:24:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I would say: a) I think that makes CR a better reference, because it causes people to question and challenge ideas put before them, to make them realize there IS this set of ideas out there and they can use it or lose it as they desire A problem with this argument -- most people aren't smart enough or confident enough to question something that has it's own official website. And those who do call bullshit on it really don't gain anything from the exercise except to get a sense that there must be a lot of kooks out there who buy into this claptrap. So it's only "value" is to mislead the gullible . . . but on that measure I give CR high marks because most kinky websites would only feed the gullible even more idiotic ideas. In the grand scheme of things, CR and all it's fantasies are relatively harmless compared to some of the alternatives. -- edit spelling

dcnovice -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 8:28:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zaraseeks quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied We should make up our own ancient house and give it some fake credibility. I agree!!! Lets do it!! We should make up our own ancient house and give it some fake credibility. We could call it the Pixelarium.

dcnovice -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 8:29:10 PM)
Or the Collarseum.

velvetears -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 8:40:42 PM)
A few years back i met a guy in a chat forum and he told me he was of one of these ancient Europen houses and his lineage went back as far as the 15th century. He was born into it and trained yada yada. He asked me if i would like to see a picture of his families crypt where, after death, their remains were buried. He sent me a picture of a dungeon like dark and dang rooms, with dirt and stone, with skeletons and skulls clearly present. i obserevd them carefully and realized he had sent me pictures of the catacombs i had visited when i traveled Europe. i had the same pictures. When i told him this, he disappeared.

DS4DUMMIES -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 8:47:06 PM)
Well..I knew that sooner or later, the truth about me would come out....so....let me set the record straight. there absolutely WERE NO ancient D/s Houses. I should know - I am 3,213 years old ( how much more "old guard" can you be? ....). I was the man who created the entire BDSM concept. That's right. I did it. It was all MY idea. It all began back in a little place over in the Euphrates Valley, called Cleveland. Forget all that garbage you've read about "Gore". There never was a place called Gore - Bradbury is a liar. There was a pantywaist named Gore...but no planet populated with women who had flashing eyes and pre-ebonics names. The only slave pens to be found in the universe, were given out as promotional items at fetish flea markets. As the ultimate guru in matters BDSM (or for you sci fi folks, the ultimate gore-u) I was a little shocked to hear some people now claim to have a "Master's Degree" in BDSM? Geezus...what school gave THAT degree..Whoreton? So back to this "SECRET" Formal Training House crap. There were no such things. How the hell, could you ever keep THAT kind of place a frigging secret.????...especially in a medieval town where they regularly found witches to burn???...lol. ???? Oh sure...secret houses.....".....guys...we have this place over on the east end of town, it's a castle...where dozens of women daily volunteer to be stripped naked, whipped, beaten for pleasure, and spend hours on their figgin knees, servicing a bunch of men whose only qualifier is they put "Master" in front of their name. But ....YOU can't go there. It's a SECRET!." SURRRRREEEEE...you could hide a place like that ...no problem! Well..bad news.....how the hell do you think Galahad found the "secret" Castle Anthrax??? ....Like Zoot said....spanking and then...oral sex. Can't you see the local people ? "I'm not going near that Castle Anthrax place....no sirrrreeee..not me. Bloody house full of horny virgins wanting to be spanked and then give head....forget it!!...." So what next? A Commissioner of BDSM ???? I can't wait for the steroid investigation. I can see it now..."Castle Realm uncovers Viagara abuse in BDSM community". The ultimate human growth hormone. Oh yes...John Holmes used it....how do you think the man died? He had one of those 4 hour-plus erections they warn you about in the commercials and all the blood went from one head to the other. Sad.... Is it bed time?

DS4DUMMIES -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 8:56:00 PM)
The people who reviewed this message...have been sacked.

goodgirl08 -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 9:13:19 PM)
Nothing beats preying on people's ingrained classism and desire to be part of a special club. Like the Freemasons, whose secret rituals turned out to be spectacularly goofy and unimpressive, I think that if these houses do exist it's unlikely that they're as cool as they sound. My first thought was ewww, incest, entitlement, and diluted perceptions of consent. I think the realities we create as individuals are worth so much more than these fantasies. Even if you create your reality based on essays from Castle Realm [:D][:(]

LadyLupineNYC -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 9:50:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: goodgirl08 I think the realities we create as individuals are worth so much more than these fantasies. yes, yes... thousand times yes...I think more harm than good comes out of being made to feel you are usless and worthless as a 'slave' or servant just b/c your bad knee or somesuch prevents you from doing that perfect slave position...nothing has more meaning than the things we choose freely to give meaning to. And as for those Houses, even if they were in existance, who want them? If people really love thousands of years of ritual and teaching the Catholic Churches would be filled to the brim…more fun to be your own peron and use that free will either god or nature gifted us with for a creative existance.

slavegirljoy -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 9:53:40 PM)
And, why should i care about any of this? Is this supposed to be a part of my history or something that i should know about? Or, is it that i can't be considered a 'true' slave because i was never 'formally trained' in one of these 'houses' and never learned the secret handshake or special knock or anything like that? i'm sorry but, this has no relevance to me, what-so-ever. i guess this is why i still have never visited that website and, the more i learn about it the more i realize why i have never gone to it and probably never will. It just sounds very much like a rough draft for a novel, to me. slave joy Owned property of Master David quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble excerpt taken from 1998's article by jade entitled "Formal Training, Houses, And the Formal Lifestyle The Facts Ma'am, just the FAQs

PronePalabras -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:01:51 PM)
amusing to say the least ..like people who profess to be "natural witches" or "born witches" so some people want to make Bdsm into cristianity where people are forced into something they dont understand at an age when they havent sampled half of what life has to offer?

juliaoceania -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:02:23 PM)
quote: So many questions, no answers. With Jade's death, Colm distanced himself from any knowledge of these ancient houses claiming it was only via the association with jade that he had any information of them at all. This is the second post I have seen that suggested this, the other one was removed when I went back to respond to it.... I am so naive I never even considered that her death was anything but real, and I also was unaware that most of their relationship was spent so far apart... kinda changes my perceptions

daddyncherry -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:11:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: happypervert quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I would say: a) I think that makes CR a better reference, because it causes people to question and challenge ideas put before them, to make them realize there IS this set of ideas out there and they can use it or lose it as they desire A problem with this argument -- most people aren't smart enough or confident enough to question something that has it's own official website. And those who do call bullshit on it really don't gain anything from the exercise except to get a sense that there must be a lot of kooks out there who buy into this claptrap. So it's only "value" is to mislead the gullible . . . but on that measure I give CR high marks because most kinky websites would only feed the gullible even more idiotic ideas. In the grand scheme of things, CR and all it's fantasies are relatively harmless compared to some of the alternatives. -- edit spelling Yep...raises hand i was one of the gullible out there...and i'm not ashamed to say it...it was part of my learning and growing process but i was one who read and took as gospel that stuff i read on the internet about BDSM...i thought that it had alot of creedence. HA! How naive i was, and i didn't initially have a Dom or Master to show me that i was taking in all of this absolute horseshit....that OMG there isn't "one true way"...This caused alot of upheaval in my heart and mind and made things move more slowly in my current relationship because i was thoroughly confused and my Daddy tends to let me learn by experience and through time rather than just saying "Baby, that's complete shit" i won't say that some of the stuff i've read on sites like CR (and CR itself) wasn't worth the read, some of it was...but some of it totally colored my perception of what i thought i was getting into.....but to my surprise...No rituals....no tasks...no formal training (ancient house or modern apartment style)....no regular punishments....it goes on. i learn waaaay more on these forums that is useful than i ever did on those sites As far as ancient houses go...it's a cool fantasy idea...and cool for erotica but i doubt any secret society that has ancient origins..i looooved DS4DUMMIES' response....brilliant.[:)]

texancutie2 -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:17:32 PM)
I remember reading some stuff on that site years ago. I also remember reading that jade had died. What I didn't know was that their relationship was really not spent in each other's company to any great extent. All I can say is wow, and it really does make me wonder about some other things too. I never believed in the BS about the ancient houses and I get quite a giggle out of some of the profiles here and elsewhere, that claim to be from such old and revered houses. Even the raised 2nd, 3rd, 5th generation stuff makes me wonder about the claimant's grip on reality.

slavegirljoy -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:25:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddyncherry Yep...raises hand i was one of the gullible out there...and i'm not ashamed to say it...it was part of my learning and growing process but i was one who read and took as gospel that stuff i read on the internet about BDSM...i thought that it had alot of creedence. This is why i am so very glad that the Internet didn't even exist when i got started in BDSM. i learned it all firsthand from a man who knew what he was doing and why and took me straight into it, without any mumbo-jumbo about 'ancient houses' or 'formal training' or anything like that. It was raw and it was real and it was amazing and what he taught me has stayed with me to this day. i think the Internet has sometimes done as much harm as it has good, in the way so much false information is put out there and made to seem legitimate, just because it's on some fancy website. Buyer beware when reading from the web. Be skeptical and look for more than one source of information. slave joy Owned property of Master David

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:25:47 PM)
So we need to make the website "bad" because there's tons of people out there who don't use their own heads and good judgement? That would make collarme/collarchat one of the absolute worst sites out there then because I've seen tons of people multiple times over the years give what I think is truly awful advice and perspectives with plenty of other people completely parroting and following along. It's not CR's fault that people don't use good judgement. I agree with Bita's point in that putting a site as a source of good information and knowledge on a subject carries responsibility and can be rightly put down if it fails to uphold its part of the deal. But to villify CR simply because there aren't "wise doms" around telling subs basic notions of life is completely baseless.

Kostly -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:29:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit FR But hey...CastleRealm is all just romance and innocence and light BDSM, right? Everyone who has a beef with it is just bitter and lonely and jaded, and not a little annoyed by the completely unsubstantiated and unsupported misinformation presented on something claiming to be an "educational source" for newbies. I guess when people say people should be more "open-minded" toward Castle Realm that they should let their brains fall out of their head. Very well put... castlerealm is a great resource for everyday living with a person who is naturally Dominant and a natural submissive. I feel it is a good balance between life activities (such as the submissive joining clubs, having activities outside of her submissive role, and living a romantic love filled relationship. Its a part of BDSM that I look to and enjoy. People who think there is a TRUE way to BDSM are ones caught up in the fantasy of it, that are interested in roleplaying their lives to some fictional role or standard, or who have found what makes them happy, and have the ignorance and balls to tell others who they must be. I no longer find myself trying to conform to the Dominamt attributes described on MANY sites I tried that and it failed. I was triing to be what I thought I should be. Now I find myself beign myself and actually reading things and saying "Hey I do that"! I dont like Gor, O, or Cinderela (type slavery, but I dont destroy, flame or judge people who do. I go through the sites, I find aspects that I like and I take them and try them! Some things I read I like as a fantasy, and will remain a fantasy for thoose lonely nights when Im not next to my subbie. I am a romantic at heart, and I do not dismiss this aspect of me. I like the soft cuddling, the pillow talk, and opening the door for my lady. I am also Sadistic, and love to do things that my submissive may not enjoy. We play and negotiate together, and we talk openly. We work towards a loving realistic lifestyle that involves kids, friends, and seperate hobies/activities. What I take from BDSM is different then what others take. Doms have ALLOT of simular characteristics, but each one is different, with a different mix of the same barrel of activities. We are essentially different combinations of the same beast. Allot of people on these sites do not live healthy substainable relationships yet feel compelled to tell others how to do so. I live what appears to be a healthy substainable relationship, and that claim I will substain until it fails or I/she dies. We change every day, and with that change our D/s relationship must also change. Old rules must be toessed out because subbie has taken up quilting (an example that I hope never comes true... DAMN YOU QUILTS). I do NOT feel compelled to tell others how to live their lives. BDSM simply means Bondage Discipline Domination submissive Sadistic and Masochistic. There is no C for consulting in there. I do not beleive their are secrete societies out there among us, outside of private parties and clubs. What I do beleive is that through out time BDSM practices and principles have been encorporated within our ancestorial past, and current cultures around the world. Hell 160 years ago, slavery was illegal, and today real non-consulting slavery exists within our country. This is no myth, secrete club, or something your borne into, its illegal behavior existing. I also beleive that to live a truely meaningfull and happy life, you must be of sound personal and moral fiber. This means to me that non-consulting BDSM, isnt a really healthy, legal, or accepting practice. So leave the god damn site alone, many of us love it... enjoy it, and miss it allot. If you dont like it DONT READ IT! BTW, WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE 3 THREADS GOING ABOUT THIS SITE! GIVE IT UP!

texancutie2 -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:39:57 PM)
Actually wondering who is vilifying CR...definitely not me. It has some decent information and some very questionable information. Just like any website out there. The only thing that is news to me is that I assumed their relationship was 24/7 or something close to it, from what I remember about the things written on the website by the author. Guess it wasn't, so no super big worry. Just having been a newbie back then, well not even a newbie but someone that was just trying to garner initial knowledge, I assumed and thought it was neat that they were living this real time on a daily basis together. Anything online needs to be taken with a grain of salt is all. Sometimes even big shakerfuls of salt too. Just all depends, and some of the best ways to learn are a combination of various things. Such as reading, talking to others, especially meeting and talking to local people, and experiencing this for oneself. One just takes what works for oneself usually and tosses out what doesn't.

daddyncherry -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:45:56 PM)
LA, i know you weren't necessarily responding to me but i thought i'd address some of what you said anyway. quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross So we need to make the website "bad" because there's tons of people out there who don't use their own heads and good judgement? No i wouldn't say that it was bad, but it seemed like an "authority" when i first started checking things out. Same with other resources, like "Screw The Roses" and others...at the time it was good...and had i met someone who was all into ritual and collaring ceremonies, and the like i may not have noticed the difference....The part where i take issue with CR or other sites that give alot of info, it all seems to be skewed to one point of view, and comes across as the gospel....When you are new and don't know any better it seems like that is what the lifestyle is all about... quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross That would make collarme/collarchat one of the absolute worst sites out there then because I've seen tons of people multiple times over the years give what I think is truly awful advice and perspectives with plenty of other people completely parroting and following along. i personally think CM is much better because it is brought across as opinion...mine, yours, theirs,his, hers, ours...It makes it quite clear here that there is definitely not just one true way to do it...and what may be crap to you might be insight to me and vice versa..if you sift through the stuff you might actually find stuff that rings true to your own experience. quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross It's not CR's fault that people don't use good judgement. I agree with Bita's point in that putting a site as a source of good information and knowledge on a subject carries responsibility and can be rightly put down if it fails to uphold its part of the deal. No it isn't their fault per se...it's just difficult when you are new, and don't know anyone and all you find is resources...You have a zillion and one questions and find a zillion and one more....with a bunch of answers. The problem is that when you are new you don't necessarily know what the important questions are...you don't know what to believe and then you find someplace like CR and think "Wow...this is what it is all about...all of my questions are answered" Then maybe months or years later you find out that you were asking the wrong questions.

BitaTruble -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:46:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kostly BTW, WHY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE 3 THREADS GOING ABOUT THIS SITE! GIVE IT UP! There is only one thread currently on the boards regarding CastleRealm as a site. This thread was created to debate the 'fact' that ancient houses have been in existance for a few thousand years. That the information was contained on CastleRealm is rather irrelvant to the debate, actually. The other was created to debate a differing idea. Perhaps if you reread the various OP's, you'll see the difference and why I believe each deserves it's own thread. If I'm wrong, I'm sure the mods will have no issue with spanking me and pulling any duplicate threads I may have started. Celeste

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: CastleRealm2: Ancient Houses of Training (12/23/2007 10:53:59 PM)
In future posts it might be best to leave off CR in the title of the thread and just use it as the linking source. Otherwise it's not really going to be possible to separate discussion of the specific topic vs the source which is what you say you want.

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