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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 8:55:32 AM   
winterlight


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Status: offline 		Who funded that guy that is dead in Iraq (Hussein?) , Bill Clinton....scarey huh?
Just woke up and i suck at remembering names anyhow...

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 9:03:52 AM   
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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 9:45:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Wouldn't it sort of stand to reason that the most admired people, would be those with exposure on the national level?
 
I'm sure we all have people we admire more ... teachers, authors, parents, etc ... but would any of them have enough exposure to win an award like this?


caitlyn,

Just tweaking a few tails.

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 9:46:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Quietsub2

You've got to be kidding about GWB. If he knew you were on this site, you would be in G Bay with the "terrorists"



What evidence do you have of this claim?

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 10:11:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wanted to weigh in on this real quick. Just to say that there's another point of view.

I'm no fan of the war in Iraq. At the same time I support the troops. How can I hold those two positions? Easy. The troops make a hell of a sacrifice, but they don't get to decide which wars to fight. I grew up surrounded by WWII vets from my family. WWII was a very good war, fought for very good reasons. Clear reasons. Iraq, not so clear.

I thought that the war in Afganistan made good sense. We had a right to be there. Someone attacked us, the Taliban sheltered them. We said hand him over, they said no. We kicked ass and took names. I can't argue with that. If we made their country a better place, well that's wonderful. But it's incidental. We don't fight wars to fix the world, we fight them to protect our country.

Iraq? Remind me why we're there? I have to agree that seeing a 1200 year war flare up again in the absense of a murderous dictator was predictable. No, Bush and his people didn't predict it. If they had asked a Middle Eastern person, that person might have told them. I think the Bush white house has a "don't tell us what we don't want to hear" mentality. A mentality that blocks good questions when they conflict with their goals. But having to take responsibility for your admistration's actions comes with the territory of being the most powerful man in the free world. Remember the phrase "The buck stops here?"

To be blunt, I think that to get a quick peace in a place like that you really need to BE a murderous dictator. We're sending in our guys and telling them to "play fair and nice"; that's not how you get results out there. If you want quick results you've got to be willing to be psycho, to have policies that say anyone who fights, we find your village and burn everyone in it at the stake. To think - "what would Caesar do?"

We're not willing to be like that. Therefore I have to say that we don't belong in that mess. I'm hoping that the latest efforts will work, but we have been there a while. Speaking of time, the Middle East works on a longer time frame then America. We fight wars that last four years, then we're trading and good buddies with those countries in a decade. They fight the same wars that they've been fighting since Mohammed's corpse got cold. Nothing happens quick in the Middle East.

As far as calling our troops baby killers, no. The vast majority of them are good people, doing their best under ridiculous stress. For the few, even then I've got to ask about culpability. It's about the most stressful job in the world. Carry eighty pounds of gear in 120 degree weather while you're a walking target and the ground may explode beneath your feet at any time. Send your friends home in boxes after watching them die. And unlike most jobs, you can't quit. You can't say "hey, you know guys, this stress is starting to get to me, I'm afraid that I might crack if I'm here much longer. I think it would be best if I just went home now." I'm disposed to take that into account if they go nuts and do something crazy, even though the actions are reprehensible.

So on the one hand, for the good of our countrie's reputation, we should bring these few to justice and on the other hand, given the stress, would it be justice? Should they be judged the same as a spoiled frat boy? I'm thinking less prison bars and more padded walls with soft, soothing music.

So, my sympathy is with the troops. And I think that Iraq was a really bad place to send them without a clear and realistic strategy.

And btw, yeah... I don't think that Mr. Bush is a big fan of any of us nice people here. Let's face it folks, the Republican party really isn't the party of letting people do whatever they want to do in their own bedrooms. 

Terance

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 1:04:34 PM   
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http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 1:05:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		~fr~ Admired probably because we are in disbelief that he still doesn't give a fuck. I admirer Dewey Cox but what the f*ck does THAT mean?

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 1:13:16 PM   
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~fr~ Admired probably because we are in disbelief that he still doesn't give a fuck. I admirer Dewey Cox but what the f*ck does THAT mean?


Maybe he's admired by fascist state-worshippers for pissing on the constitution, and moving forward the agendas of the PTB... 

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 2:17:46 PM   
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All GWB saw was Hussein, and beyond eliminating him, he could see no further. And neither could any of his advisors (at least one's he was willing to listen to, at any rate). I would have thought that anyone with a shred of worldliness (and certainly anyone in the muslim community) could have told him that getting rid of Hussein would simply fire up open season between Sunni and Shiite. Well......duh! Surprise, surprise, surprise. I'm just waiting for Turkey to get more involved..... all those kurds....
 
I don't know if peace can ever reign PEACEFULLY where tribal and religious factions have such a long and storied history (be it the middle east, Africa, or Myanmar ro wherever). I'd say no, because they're just not interested in peace. Doesn't suit their purposes. You'll never win anywhere where all they care about is that their tribe, or religious sect is above all others.

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 2:32:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

The title of the thread is a little (or should I say a lot) misleading, it should read most admired in the USA, not in the world, but then some people in this country are myopic enough to believe Americans are the only people in the world who matter, probably the same ones that admire GW



*shrugs*

"Most admired man in the world, by Americans".

Feel free to take pot shots. Par for course.

Firm



Well if that ain't a heaping helping of pot-kettle-black. After all the lectures we endure from you about not sensationalising  the news and sticking to the actual text.

Perhaps a bit of your own favourite parsing technique will help:

quote:

George W. Bush and Hillary Clinton top Gallup's list of people whom Americans most admire.


In case you forgot how this one works, KY, I think you accompany it with some some whithering remark about paying attention to the words in bold italics.



Somewhere in the rest of the World,
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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 3:17:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zensee

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

*shrugs*

"Most admired man in the world, by Americans".

Feel free to take pot shots. Par for course.


Well if that ain't a heaping helping of pot-kettle-black. After all the lectures we endure from you about not sensationalising  the news and sticking to the actual text.

Perhaps a bit of your own favourite parsing technique will help:

quote:

George W. Bush and Hillary Clinton top Gallup's list of people whom Americans most admire.


In case you forgot how this one works, KY, I think you accompany it with some some whithering remark about paying attention to the words in bold italics.

Somewhere in the rest of the World,


Pot shot noted.

(although I'd call it a country-mile miss )

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 3:53:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pot shot, Mr. Dish it out but can't take it?

Just waiting for the day you apply your rigorous standards of intellectual honesty to yourself, for a change.


Z.

< Message edited by Zensee -- 12/27/2007 3:54:28 PM >

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 5:45:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I admire the way Dubya pigheadedly insists that his policies are right when there is overwhelming proof he's wrong, and also the way he brazenly hands out Medals of Freedom or promotes to more powerful positions his lackeys who make the most collosal blunders.

And most of all, I admire his ability to inspire fools to staunchly support him on message boards. Pure genius!


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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 6:08:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

To decide to rid the world of a homocidal lunatic, even for mistaken reasons, is no bad thing. IMO.



Suicide is illegal in the United States, seeks, dont get your hopes up.

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/27/2007 6:10:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

Wouldn't it sort of stand to reason that the most admired people, would be those with exposure on the national level?
 
I'm sure we all have people we admire more ... teachers, authors, parents, etc ... but would any of them have enough exposure to win an award like this?


caitlyn,

Just tweaking a few tails.

Firm



Good recovery, Firm.  Nobody would ever believe that you are now or have ever been a supporter of George W. Bush or the Neo-Cons or the Iraqi invasion or...  at any time in the past.

How is that Surge you promoted a few months back working out for you?

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/28/2007 9:21:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

According to a Gallup Poll.

Video.

Firm



I'm fairly sure the vote went something like this in England, in reverse order:

Jesus 1%
David Beckham 2%
Britney Spears 97%

Your video is a sham.

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/28/2007 10:01:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

It's also funny that some people can't just deal with reality - anything that challenges their previously held belief system has to be denied.



You can only go off what you see with your own eyes, and if this board is anything to go by, I'd be surprised if the man in question is the source of such admiration.

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/28/2007 11:58:57 AM   
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Admiration must differ from the approval rating.

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/28/2007 12:14:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zensee

Pot shot, Mr. Dish it out but can't take it?

Just waiting for the day you apply your rigorous standards of intellectual honesty to yourself, for a change.


Z.


Here is some more pot-kettle-black and pot shots

from another thread

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1492727

quote:

Just out of curiosity, I calculated your average "ppd" (post per day) as 17.5. 

How the heck do you do that? 

I certainly couldn't "keep up"!

Firm

(calculations:

4/19/2006 to 12/19/2007 = 20 months
20 months x 30 days per month = 600 days
10,504 posts/600 days = 17.6 post per day)



But we are often polyanna about what we do, and look at what others do as being "pot shots"...

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RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/28/2007 3:43:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zensee

Pot shot, Mr. Dish it out but can't take it?

Just waiting for the day you apply your rigorous standards of intellectual honesty to yourself, for a change.


Z.


Z,

While I'll admit that there are a few very intellectual liberals with some level of integrity that post on CM, the numbers aren't that large.

Generally, I've placed you in that category.

But these attempts are more "lame" than intellectual.

I'm confident you can do better.

Firm


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