Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush Page: <<   < prev  3 4 [5] 6 7   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/29/2007 10:40:39 PM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline
quote:

Page one my response to LadyEllen noted this

Sorry, Julia: I missed that. I tend to skim the watersports threads.

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to juliaoceania)
Profile   Post #: 81
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/29/2007 10:41:35 PM   
juliaoceania


Posts: 21383
Joined: 4/19/2006
From: Somewhere Over the Rainbow
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

Page one my response to LadyEllen noted this

Sorry, Julia: I missed that. I tend to skim the watersports threads.


I tend to skip them altogether these days

_____________________________

Once you label me, you negate me ~ Soren Kierkegaard

Reality has a well known Liberal Bias ~ Stephen Colbert

Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 82
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/29/2007 10:45:05 PM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline 		Me too, actually. But sometimes old habits get the best of me.

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to juliaoceania)
Profile   Post #: 83
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 5:11:58 AM   
NorthernGent


Posts: 8730
Joined: 7/10/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

I tend to skim the watersports threads.



This one's quite tame by common standards; 'not likely you'll get wet here, but I suppose once bitten twice shy.

_____________________________

I have the courage to be a coward - but not beyond my limits.

Sooner or later, the man who wins is the man who thinks he can.

(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 84
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 6:16:47 AM   
seeksfemslave


Posts: 4011
Joined: 6/16/2006
Status: offline
quote:

13: Reducing the level of sectarian violence in Iraq and eliminating militia control of local security.


Most of  the other items in a list provied by Farglebargle are concerned with ways to try and bring about organisational or administrative  political stability in Iraq. Note the item concerned with trying to ensure that revenue from Oil is
 *** equitably distributed amongst the different Iraqui groups. ***

 Have I missed something here or does the list say something postive about GWB
 

< Message edited by seeksfemslave -- 12/30/2007 6:28:06 AM >

(in reply to NorthernGent)
Profile   Post #: 85
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 6:25:18 AM   
farglebargle


Posts: 10715
Joined: 6/15/2005
From: Albany, NY
Status: offline 		Bush didn't create those benchmarks... Congress did.

Bush, as far as evidenced, is unconcerned with the effects of his fraud and stupidity, and would rather *not* have any benchmarks, as they do nothing but prove in objective ways the unsophistication and failure of the policy, strategy and tactics.

So, are you one of those who consider a grade of 17% out of 100% to be PASSING?





_____________________________

It's not every generation that gets to watch a civilization fall. Looks like we're in for a hell of a show.

ברוך אתה, אדוני אלוקינו, ריבון העולמים, מי יוצר צמחים ריחניים

(in reply to seeksfemslave)
Profile   Post #: 86
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 6:30:40 AM   
seeksfemslave


Posts: 4011
Joined: 6/16/2006
Status: offline
quote:

Have I missed something here or does the list say something postive about GWB


Thats why I added this bit. It occured to me this might be the case. lol
Despite the timing I hadnt seen your respose.....honest lol

(in reply to farglebargle)
Profile   Post #: 87
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 6:59:20 AM   
pahunkboy


Posts: 33061
Joined: 2/26/2006
From: Central Pennsylvania
Status: offline 		This is an April fools joke, right?

(in reply to caitlyn)
Profile   Post #: 88
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 11:40:19 AM   
FirmhandKY


Posts: 8948
Joined: 9/21/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: Petronius

quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

<fast reply>

The CBS story had Bush and Hillary Clinton as the most admired people in America, not the world.


I was wondering how long it would take somebody to actually check the claim and show it for the rightwing bullshit it is.

But there's a certain norm: advertising via bullshit title, as happened here where the study for the U.S. is misrepresented in the thread title as "the world."



Page one my response to LadyEllen noted this



Well .... as per the audio on the video at the link that I provided at the beginning of this thread, here is the claim:

What do George W Bush and Hillary Clinton have in common?

Every year in December, Gallup asks the American public who the living man is - anywhere in the world - that they most admire, and who the woman is, anywhere in the world that they most admire.

With this information as the basis, then the title of the thread "Most Admired Man in World 2007" is 100% accurate, isn't it?

Firm



< Message edited by FirmhandKY -- 12/30/2007 12:17:03 PM >

_____________________________

Some people are just idiots.

(in reply to juliaoceania)
Profile   Post #: 89
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 11:51:27 AM   
caitlyn


Posts: 3473
Joined: 12/22/2004
Status: offline 		I sort of felt Fargle's list was a fancy way of saying, exactly the four points I made.
 
The other thing that came to mind, is that if Congress sets the goals, which is true, why is the surge being used to attack President Bush?
 
As if we really need to invent reasons. The man is a walking, talking reason.

_____________________________

I wish I could buy back ...
the woman you stole.

(in reply to seeksfemslave)
Profile   Post #: 90
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 12:05:51 PM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline
quote:

Every year in December, Gallup asks the American public who the living man is - anywhere in the world - that they most admire, and who the woman is, anywhere in the world that they most admire.

With this information as the basis, then the title of the thread "Most Admired Man in World 2007" is 100 accurate, isn't it?


Emphasis added.

I wouldn't say it was 100 percent accurate, since Gallup polled only Americans, and one could read "Most Admired Man in World" to mean global admiration.

I also think it's interesting that only 10 percent of the Americans polled listed George W. Bush as the person they most admired. That means 90 percent listed someone else. So I wouldn't take the poll as a ringing endorsement by Americans, let alone the entire planetary population.

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to FirmhandKY)
Profile   Post #: 91
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 12:15:02 PM   
NorthernGent


Posts: 8730
Joined: 7/10/2006
Status: offline 		On a recent visit to the US, the Prime Minister and US President exchanged gifts: a book on Winston Churchill in exchange for a flying jacket. I admire them for having the nous to arrange this get together for the express purpose of getting rid of last year's unwanted Christmas presents.

_____________________________

I have the courage to be a coward - but not beyond my limits.

Sooner or later, the man who wins is the man who thinks he can.

(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 92
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 12:22:59 PM   
FirmhandKY


Posts: 8948
Joined: 9/21/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

Every year in December, Gallup asks the American public who the living man is - anywhere in the world - that they most admire, and who the woman is, anywhere in the world that they most admire.

With this information as the basis, then the title of the thread "Most Admired Man in World 2007" is 100 accurate, isn't it?


Emphasis added.

I wouldn't say it was 100 percent accurate, since Gallup polled only Americans, and one could read "Most Admired Man in World" to mean global admiration.

I also think it's interesting that only 10 percent of the Americans polled listed George W. Bush as the person they most admired. That means 90 percent listed someone else. So I wouldn't take the poll as a ringing endorsement by Americans, let alone the entire planetary population.


I understand what you are saying ... but what word in the title is incorrect or doesn't belong?

Firm


_____________________________

Some people are just idiots.

(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 93
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 12:35:27 PM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline
quote:

I understand what you are saying ... but what word in the title is incorrect or doesn't belong?

The prepositional phrase in World is ambiguous and thus a poor choice for a headline, particularly since there's no mention of who's doing the admiring. It's not clear whether you mean that of all the people in the world, Bush is the one most admired by the poll respondents or that people worldwide admire Bush more than anyone else.

A better head might have been something along the lines of President Receives Most Votes in Gallup's "Most Admired Man" Poll. I'd change Bush to President, because the history of the poll suggests admiration for the holder of the office more than a particular individual. I'm not wild about using Most twice but don't see an easy alternative.

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to FirmhandKY)
Profile   Post #: 94
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 12:43:19 PM   
Sanity


Posts: 22039
Joined: 6/14/2006
From: Nampa, Idaho USA
Status: offline 		Maybe the mods should give you the power to edit everyone else's posts.

_____________________________

Inside Every Liberal Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out

(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 95
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 12:44:34 PM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline 		No, thanks! I do enough editing at work.

However, the gentleman asked a direct question, and I answered it.

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to Sanity)
Profile   Post #: 96
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 1:00:41 PM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline
quote:

A better head might have been something along the lines of President Receives Most Votes in Gallup's "Most Admired Man" Poll.


On reflection, an even better one might be President Tops Americans' "Most Admired" List.

See, I even edit myself.

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 97
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 1:16:47 PM   
farglebargle


Posts: 10715
Joined: 6/15/2005
From: Albany, NY
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

I sort of felt Fargle's list was a fancy way of saying, exactly the four points I made.
 
The other thing that came to mind, is that if Congress sets the goals, which is true, why is the surge being used to attack President Bush?
 
As if we really need to invent reasons. The man is a walking, talking reason.


Because the Surge Strategy was created and promoted BY Bush's Administration. They put their balls on the line, and said, "This Will Work".

Congress gave them the money. And specified the Benchmarks.

BUSH SIGNED THE SPENDING BILL.

They spent the money, and put more soldiers at risk.

It didn't work.

So, Bush had the opportunity to 1) Formulate an *EFFECTIVE* Policy, Strategy, and Tactics and 2) Veto the spending bill, if it contained onerous provisions.



_____________________________

It's not every generation that gets to watch a civilization fall. Looks like we're in for a hell of a show.

ברוך אתה, אדוני אלוקינו, ריבון העולמים, מי יוצר צמחים ריחניים

(in reply to caitlyn)
Profile   Post #: 98
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 1:52:25 PM   
TreasureKY


Posts: 3032
Joined: 4/10/2007
From: Kentucky
Status: offline 		What is interesting is how people choose to interpret what they read.  

(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 99
RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush - 12/30/2007 1:55:28 PM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

What is interesting is how people choose to interpret what they read.  


That's certainly true. It's why good writers and editors strive for clarity (unless ambiguity is part of the artistic effect, of course).

_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to TreasureKY)
Profile   Post #: 100
Page:   <<   < prev  3 4 [5] 6 7   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Most Admired Man in World 2007: GW Bush Page: <<   < prev  3 4 [5] 6 7   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094