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permanent damage - 12/26/2007 5:44:59 PM   
OldBastardly1


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Status: offline 		We all see the posts about how we fear the inexperienced will cause permanent or crippling damage to another. While I am sure that it happens, it made me wonder just what the frequency of such happenings is? Is it 1 in 100? 1 in 1,000,000? And yes, I know...even 1 is too much, so try to hold back those type of responses.

I am sure  the statistic & accuracy police will have the answers, probably even have links to prove the data.



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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 5:48:30 PM   
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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 5:52:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OldBastardly1

We all see the posts about how we fear the inexperienced will cause permanent or crippling damage to another. While I am sure that it happens, it made me wonder just what the frequency of such happenings is? Is it 1 in 100? 1 in 1,000,000? And yes, I know...even 1 is too much, so try to hold back those type of responses.

I am sure  the statistic & accuracy police will have the answers, probably even have links to prove the data.




1 in 100, 1 in 1,000,000... doesn't mean a lot unless of course, you're the 1.

THAT'S what everyone is afraid of.

And out of curiousity, in an activity that is largely hidden from view, hence, not necessarily countable, or at the very least no one is aware if the statistics would be correct anyhow, just what kind of response were you hoping for except for the comment about being the 1?

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 5:59:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: julietsierra

1 in 100, 1 in 1,000,000... doesn't mean a lot unless of course, you're the 1.
THAT'S what everyone is afraid of.
And out of curiousity, in an activity that is largely hidden from view, hence, not necessarily countable, or at the very least no one is aware if the statistics would be correct anyhow, just what kind of response were you hoping for except for the comment about being the 1?

juliet


The difficulty would be ensuring accurate reporting and suitable sample sizes. This isn't the sort of thing people like to fess up to- I mean, imagine it. 'Yeah I scened once with whatshisname, and now he's permanently injured, my bad, wanna play?'
It isn't information that's commonly well-received and hence isn't often shared as far as I can tell.

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 6:10:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would worry about being permanently damaged by a stupid person more than an inexperienced one... and when you combine the two it is a bad situation.... that being said, there is no safe way to do a dangerous thing. Even expereinced and intelligent people have accidents and make mistakes.... 

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 6:30:34 PM   
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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 6:30:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I permanently damaged Master the first time we played. I somehow gave him a serious scratch on his hand. He didn't tell me but more than a year later, I asked him what the scar was and he said it was me!!!

He has not taken his revenge on me though. No permanent damage here.

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 6:31:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

I don't really care. As long as I am not responsible for any.

Can't say much more than....perfectly stated

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 6:32:34 PM   
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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 6:38:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		It also kinda depends what you mean by permanent damage. Scars are technically permanent damage, but somehow they don't seem to be the same as taking out an eye with a single-tail or ending up paralyzed when a suspension rig fails. 

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 6:43:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		To date I have suffered no permanent damage by anything he has inflicted upon me.  Any unintentional wounds have healed, and those are few & far between.  It's not something I worry about.

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 6:44:25 PM   
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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 7:44:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		permanent damage can come at any time from anywhere.  like behind you when the drunk driver following you forgets where the brakes are.  domestic violence can result in permanent damage, accidents at work, you name it, lots of them happen more often in "normal" activities than in our little world.

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 7:50:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd be interested in some "actual" numbers as well (As impossible as it would be to poll - I can't picture CNN getting all the kinksters to come out for that one), out of sheer curiousity.

Depending upon how kinky you are, (Not that there's any right degree of perversion, mind you), I imagine the number would go up or down.

A submissive with interests in breath play, suspension, and blood play would be more likely to suffer permanent injury than a submissive who was generally interested in bondage and playing dress-up.  Not to say that Dominants can't get hurt as well - I imagine with all that flailing, a sub is bound to strike something vital at least once in a while. 

It would be an interesting read, as unlikely as it is to ever happen.  I'll echo what others have said:

People get hurt in every walk of life, and as long as I'm not responsible for any "statistics", it's not that big of a concern.


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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 7:52:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		If people truly feared this then those of us with the skills, abilities, and experience would be wise to reach out and offer ourselves as mentors to those interested in learning. We'd stop saying "you must be 21+" for workshops and munches and try to reach out to anyone of legal age so that the education could start early.

The one thing that connects to this thread that I have experienced was seeing the scars on a young woman's wrists where she and her boyfriend used cheap handcuffs because no one would give them the information because they were "too young". She had to have them emergency cut off.

Yes we must protect ourselves but we could help ourselves too be educating those of legal age of consent which I doubt is any older than 18 anywhere in the USA at least. I'm not saying go into schools and onto campuses but we could open up some groups that do education more.

Sorry, tangent I know but also a pet peeve of mine.

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 8:05:09 PM   
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A submissive with interests in breath play, suspension, and blood play would be more likely to suffer permanent injury than a submissive who was generally interested in bondage and playing dress-up.

Really now?

And on what do you base your knowledge here?

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 8:10:46 PM   
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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 8:29:32 PM   
juliaoceania


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A submissive with interests in breath play, suspension, and blood play would be more likely to suffer permanent injury than a submissive who was generally interested in bondage and playing dress-up. Not to say that Dominants can't get hurt as well - I imagine with all that flailing, a sub is bound to strike something vital at least once in a while. [:*


I just thought I would point out, and I think this is rather important not only because of what you may think, but other people reading this thread might be thinking, that bondage has unseen risks...

Especially you may want to watch for nerve damage in the wrists, particularly if the submissive's hands are above her body and she begins to hang by them as she relaxes into a subspace state. This happened to me and my hands have never been quite the same since. Because I was in subspace, I just didn't feel the pressure on my hands.. and while I am not permanently damaged because it can take up to a year to heal, and I am almost better now, having the attitude that one sort of play is not inherently as dangerous as another sort of play is in and of itself a hazardous belief...

The best advice is look at other people's fuck ups, and never take anything for granted when you are in control over another person's well being... they are counting on you to look for the unexpected to happen, and to be vigilent about it... what happened with us has led to more safety precautions... there is no safe way to do dangerous things, there is only risk management.


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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 8:33:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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A submissive with interests in breath play, suspension, and blood play would be more likely to suffer permanent injury than a submissive who was generally interested in bondage and playing dress-up.

Really now?

And on what do you base your knowledge here?


Actually, I agree with Irish on this I'm not sure this is true as I have found in general that people that want to engage in rather intense play can be much more selective about whom they do it with.  I love being caned personally and I enjoy breath play to an extent, but I have engaged in it much less than I would like as if someone doesn't have the desire to actually learn these things well before doing them, it's not something I will do.  I am not a crash test dummy.

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RE: permanent damage - 12/26/2007 8:38:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		My personal knowledge  of bdsm mishaps from wiseman suggest that the majority of bdsm injuries result from improperly applied bondage. And I can believe it, ligature can easily maim and kill. Which is why I take it extremely seriously.

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