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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/29/2007 9:51:36 PM   
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I know the turmoils that you are going through.  I have been separated for 9 months, I have been through years of hell on earth, while I have been gone I have been so empty without her, until the day I snapped apart.  At the moment, she wishes to reconcile, however I do not have the strength to put myself through it all again.  Those feelings of mistrust and such will remain unless you make a commintment to each other to begin anew,  You must realize this in order for things to get better.  Time may heal all wounds, but both parties must put the real effort in. 

I hope this may be of some use.

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/29/2007 10:54:48 PM   
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how would you go about improving things to improve your sex life, your scenes and your confidence?


Nike has the best advice ... 'Just do it.'  You've discussed the issue; the behavior has stopped; you just need to get over it or move on, which you don't want to do.  One good scene after another will build your confidence.  No thinking or talking is going to do it now. You need to get over the mental hurdle.  I'd also advise you think long and hard about how you will handle her if she starts this behavior again during play.  Be prepared for anything she might throw at you so that your confidence level within the scene is higher.  Having a plan and sticking reasonably close to it should help.  You might also want to throw something new at her to put her a bit off her confidence level, to even the field a bit.  Make her think about what you are going to do.  Keep her on her toes.  Perhaps sit down with her and describe a few new things you may wish to do with her, obtain her permission, and keep her hanging to see what you actually will do.  If all else is going well in the relationship, things should fall into place.



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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 2:09:37 AM   
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(Sorry for the length of this post.)  I've read four pages of responses and I would like to share a perspective that hasn't been shared here yet.  I have been in your girlfriend's shoes.  I have cheated on the one I loved.  I have asked for his dominance but have not always been able to respond with instant submission, causing him to doubt my sincerity.  I don't think I dissed him - certainly not in the inexcusable ways your girlfriend has dissed you - but I think my behavior gave him plenty of cause to feel insecure, including sometimes in my lackluster responses to our lovemaking, and of course my cheating caused severe trust issues which will probably be with us for the rest of our lives.

But the cheating is far behind us now and we are hanging in there and making great progress on some fronts.  I want to share with you some things that have helped and some things that continue to undermine us, looking at my share and his share of the responsibility for the health of our relationship.

First of all, if she says she wants you to dominate her, BELIEVE IT.  Don't switch.  If you need to switch, each of you should find someone else for that role.  Be the strong one for her or you'll never regain the respect you want from her and she'll never be able to submit in her heart, only in pretend ways in scenes.  If she wants to dominate someone from time to time, let her find her own little sub.  Don't ever be that sub for her any more.  If you need to be with someone stronger than you from time to time, find that person elsewhere, not here.  Love and trust each other enough to explore these secondary roles with others, or lay them to rest and stick with the roles you think you prefer, with you in the dominant position and she in the submissive one.

Okay, next thing.  Even though you say neither of you wants a 24/7 D/s thing, maybe just vanilla with kinky sex, it's worth exploring something that's less than 24/7 but far more than vanilla with kinky sex.  I know lots of people here have told you to communicate more, but you say you've done lots of that.  People here have told you to apologize for your weakness.  NO!  How is that going to help you regain the authority you threw away at the outset?  People here have suggested that you ask her to describe the ingredients of the mindblowing sex she's had in the past.  NO!  That's just going to make you look clueless, under the current circumstances, and if you try what she describes, it's just going to make you seem like a pretender.

There has not been much said here yet about forgiveness.  You have said a number of times here that her cheating is well in the past, but past issues continue to eat at you and cause you to doubt yourself.  Some have suggested that you start acting like the one in control even if you don't feel the inner power, and I tend to agree with this suggestion.  My ongoing difficulty with my loved one is that he doesn't project strength consistently. My cheating nearly destroyed us.  But after we both resolved to stay in the relationship and make it work, the thing that continued to eat away at us was his (very understandable) anger and distrust.  A huge turning point for us was when he was really truly ready to forgive me.  That meant he was ready to lay his anger behind, as well.

As long as he was angry and insecure, I had to watch what I said, to protect his feelings, to reassure him.  And I lived in constant fear that he might end the relationship at any moment, because any little thing seemed to be a reminder of our past difficulties and my failings.  I could not begin to put my trust in him again until he made the huge leap of faith to trust me again.  Now there is nothing I want so much in life as to be worthy of his renewed trust.

My loved one is not very interested in domination and submission, but we have tried these roles off and on.  It seems he actually does like to have my submission, but without any responsibility for managing it.  He wants me to manage my own submission, but when I do, it does not feel like submission to me.  It feels like me being in charge of myself and just trying to be nice to him (when I feel like it).  At least you two are lucky that you share an interest in this D/s exploration.  My loved one thinks I'm not really cut out for submission.  But I know how I felt when I submitted to a naturally dominant man (when I cheated).  I felt like this was what had been missing all my life.

Even though my loved one might not know how to or want to push my submissive buttons, I know how he could do it, if he chose.  But I cannot tell him, because when I even try to give hints, he says I have a script I want him to follow, and it's just a set-up for failure, because he can't follow that script and doesn't want to follow it.  And I feel crushed and resentful inside that he views it this way... but maybe it's true that I do have a script of sorts.  Maybe your girlfriend has a subtle script of how she wishes you would dominate her, too.  You can't ask her.  And I do believe one of the things I've read on these boards, that the first thing one must learn in submission is to give up the desires that led one to submission in the first place.  True submission isn't about what pushes my hot buttons... it's about subjugating my will to that of another.  But wise domination, I like to hope, includes caring about pushing those hot buttons, so that the relationship is mutually fulfilling.

If I were to give my loved one some blunt advice about how to dominate me (which I can't)... this is the advice I would give him (and which I give you):

* Don't let me see your doubts or insecurities.  Be strong for me.  Maintain that myth for me, until it becomes reality.  If you have to dump those insecurities somewhere, share them with a friend or write a journal.  (Imagine you are a parent... even if you are filled with doubts about your parenting, would you confide those in your child?  I hope not!  You would act like the strong and confident parent even if you feel inadequate inside.)

* Give me regular daily reminders of my submission.  This might include daily routines when we are together - a particular way that you might touch me or might expect me to touch you, or a position you'd expect me to adopt at certain times, or something you might expect me to ask permission to do, or some little thing you might expect me to say.  It might include something I wear - in my case it's an anklet that symbolizes for us both devotion and creativity in how we share our love.  It might be a task - a simple housekeeping sort of routine or journal-keeping or whatever.  (The journal can be particularly powerful for the submissive to share inner thoughts and feelings for the dominant to better know her and understand how to guide her, and the dominant can give specific assignments for this journal.)  It might be that there is one room in the shared space that is for D/s and the rest of the shared space is for vanilla life.  There are countless ways to cultivate a submissive mindset in one's partner when you are together or apart.

* Give me time to transition from one role to another.  I can't snap instantly from vanilla to submissive.  When you snap instantly into a dominant role, it can seem fake, so I need help easing into accepting your domination, too.  The little reminders and routines help... or visual or tactile clues to indicate that the transition is beginning.  (I come out of the bathroom and I see an item or two of bondage gear on the bed... okay, I start to adjust my mindset...)

* Remember that arousal is about 90% mental.  Go after my mind when we make love.  Immerse me in a mental fantasy land of domination and submission.  If you don't do it, I'll just resort to one of my tried and true submissive fantasies, and that involves pretending you're not there and I'm submitting to some invented stranger.  So you might as well be that invented dominant party and conjure up a fun fantasy yourself, if reality isn't doing it for us.  In my case, it really helps to hear you telling me what my submission means, or verbally claiming each body part as you physically claim it, or ask me well-timed simple questions calling for set answers, even if they are mock-submissive ones (such as:  "Who are you?" "I am your ____" - fill in the blank with your preference...  pet, toy, little slut, slave.... "What are you for?"  "I am for your pleasure..."  "What pleases me?" and so on...  "Whose cunt is this?" "Yours, Sir."  "And what can I do with it?" "Whatever you please..." etc etc.  "What does your orgasm mean?"  .... "Whose orgasm is it?"  ...  ).  It can be incredibly powerful to put some of these things into words while one is being led deeper and deeper into an aroused and submissive mindset, and while one is orgasming.  Feel free to tell me what is my new reality... to fill my mind with the answers you expect to hear, and then expect to hear them the next time you ask.  Feel free to surprise me with a sharp well-placed slap if I hesitate, and then ask me again until I give the right answer.  Master me.  It's not abuse if we both understand and accept our roles.  It's... nourishment.

* Feel free to deny me pleasures, too.  If you're in control, you can control when and if I touch myself or when and if I cum to your touches.  You can expect me to service you without reciprocal stimulation... and if I'm in the right mindset it will be highly arousing to serve instead of be served.

* It's all going to feel like let's-pretend unless you take control of other parts of our shared life, too.  So even if there's no wish for 24/7, you might think about asserting yourself more than just in the bedroom.

* Dominant does not mean domineering.  You can be very soft-spoken and sensitive and caring and giving while still being very much in a position of authority and control.  Be credible.  Don't "act" dominant.  Solicit my opinion (when you actually want it), but then make the decisions yourself (or at least let it be known that you'll be making more of them or most of them, and do so).

* Guide me.  Support me.  Protect me.  Cherish me.

* Give me the best of yourself, and expect the best of me.


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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 2:55:15 AM   
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quote:

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Not happy


this was not me... she came home and read the post

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 3:11:28 AM   
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Thankyou so much for all your responses! This was a particularly beneficial thread for me, although I'll stop it now because she came home and read the post. Feel free to message me if you have any more advice to offer.

Thanks again

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 4:44:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darcwolf

I know the turmoils that you are going through.  I have been separated for 9 months, I have been through years of hell on earth, while I have been gone I have been so empty without her, until the day I snapped apart.  At the moment, she wishes to reconcile, however I do not have the strength to put myself through it all again.  Those feelings of mistrust and such will remain unless you make a commintment to each other to begin anew,  You must realize this in order for things to get better.  Time may heal all wounds, but both parties must put the real effort in. 

I hope this may be of some use.


why is it that Doms never seem to let their submissibes know they fall apart without the submission?
I quit thrr months ago and all he could say in a recent phone call was....i hope I am not giving too much of my power away here but I begin the miss them......them? who? another or was he trying to say he was a guman being afterall and missed ME?
Every living breath cannot be within the dynamic surely......friends first, D/s next and then lovers (perhaps maybe who knows) but there#s a shell around most dominant males I have known and after a while....I stop hearing the sea........


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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 4:58:01 AM   
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-fast reply-

I think your problem is that you lack self esteem, which she picks up on and exploits. Dump her. Develope your self esteem, start caring about yourself and then find someone who values you. By staying in this relationship you are treating yourself like shit.

All just my opinion.

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 6:44:32 AM   
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How do you do it? You just DO IT! Think of other areas of your life and how you take control and do the same thing. If you had an employee who didn't do what you asked him to do or belittled you in front of another employee, how would you handle it? Would you sit him down and tell him how much it hurt your feelings? NO! You would pull him aside, tell him to knock it off and if he ever did it again you'll write him up.

In terms of how she responds sexually, why do you care? As a Dom it's about your sexual pleasure and what turns you on and makes you scream. If you like hearing her moan and scream, tell her to do it.  Worry about your own pleasure and let her worry about hers. Sometimes too much pressure to "get off" will shut a woman down sexually. Why do you think it's so common that women fake orgasms? Take your own pleasure and if the time comes that she desires your help, she can ask respectfully, and if she's been good, maybe you will oblige her. (or something like that-get the idea?)

The problem here is that you are afraid to seize control because you fear her true reaction. You either fear that she will leave you or that she'll realize she doesn't really want to be submissive. Either way you will lose what you have. So, you have a choice here. You either risk losing what you have to get what you really want or decide that what you have is good enough. So, which is it?

It is natural in power dynamics for the follower to test the leader to make sure they are following a strong leader. That's just instinct and nature. You have a strong submissive, so you have to be stronger. She has "tested" you and ended up on the Top. If you really want to be the leader you have to turn it around and put her place without feeling bad about it and without fear or worry. That doesn't mean you have to be an asshole, it just means you have to be dominant, assertive and consistant.

Oh, and while you're at it, you need to figure out what it is you want her to do and be as your submissive. You know you want to be the dominant in the relationship, but why? What is the goal for the two of you as a couple? Where are you going? What is your philosophy? What do you want from her?

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 7:58:44 AM   
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myanon,

If I understood correctly she humiliated you, cheated on you, lied to you, mocked you in front of others, and you LET her get away with this?  IMHO you should have set her straight back then.  If you find that it is difficult to trust her then it is best that you part ways with her.

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 11:59:05 AM   
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Find a power point and plug yourself back on..

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 12:19:47 PM   
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Um...take back the self-esteem she stole from you. I would leave her high and dry. And let her find someone else to toy and play with. Obviously she is toying and playing with you- and you do have people who do things like that. I would never dominate someone who cheated me because D/s is about trust and THAT has been broken. Second, she humiliates you and therefore that means she is CHEATING some more. She can't have the wonderful orgasms because her behind is having wonderful orgasms with someone other than you. 

Let's be real now...and take you out of the fantasy. She is not too into you. She doesn't really want you...she likes the fact that you're there because she gets her rocks off making you feel bad about yourself. She is not in the relationship for you but for herself. Move on and stop holding on to a relationship that she has already left.

If she wants to be Topped let someone else do it. 

Finally, she is being abusive and controlling. Yes men do get abused too. It is called psychological and verbal abuse. You need to get yourself some help- find a good therapist and work on yourself. The fact you're running off because she read the post is a SIGN of abuse.  1-800-799-7233 call the number.

That's how you get your power back.

Ms. K


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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 1:29:08 PM   
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I think if you leave the relationship in the state you are in now it will take a lot longer to regain your confidence.
I think you have to see it through.
Submissive or dominant in a relationship doesn't matter but your own feelings of worth and confidence in who you are do matter.
She has discovered a weakness in your dominance she doesn't like it and neither do you.You have been humiliated and you don't know how to cope with it.
If you learn about yourself from the experience you will begin to grow in strength.
Ask her to do it again and again until you learn to cope with it.
She may unconsciously or consciously be trying to make you into a man she can be proud of. Dom or sub it doesn't really matter both need great strength.
One of the first major lessons I learned from the lifestyle is that noone can humiliate you if you don't allow it.
Good luck for the future.


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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 2:12:12 PM   
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DTMFA!

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 3:04:37 PM   
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lateralist1 personally, I don't think this has anything to do with D/s. She is using that to keep him there while she tears him down even more. I see that as being very manipulative and very controlling. She is playing mind games and using D/s as a way to continue in her disrespectful behavior. For him to stay in a relationship and take the reigns to control her- he would have to be full of self-confidence and self-esteem at this point he is intimidated just by her breathing. To me this is about abuse and NOT D/s. Abusers are very good at crazymaking.



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RE: how do I get my power back? - 12/30/2007 3:09:57 PM   
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Personally, Id not waste a New York second on her.

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 1/1/2008 2:04:54 PM   
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I can't help but wonder what the fallout was after she discovered myanon's posting.  Being called out on the carpet in front of at least dozens, if not hundreds, of people she didn't know can't be a good thing for the continuance of any relationship.  She's used to pushing him around however she pleases and now he's pushed back.

Ultimately though, it's probably incredibly for the best.

[Edited to correct pronoun trouble and wrong assumption mentioned below]


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RE: how do I get my power back? - 1/1/2008 2:08:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: myanon

Thankyou so much for all your responses! This was a particularly beneficial thread for me, although I'll stop it now because she came home and read the post. Feel free to message me if you have any more advice to offer.

Thanks again


Wow.

I don't think I could look myself in the mirror if I looked at my partner's mail/online forums and my reaction made him feel like he'd done something wrong.

And I'm the dominant in my relationships!

I don't even know how to express how that makes me feel...

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 1/1/2008 2:31:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kumasan2

she discovered his posting. 


Actually she discovered her posting. The profile says the op is a female switch, aged 29.

Would our advice be different if we knew this upfront? Two female switches who switch with each other is different than a male/female dom/sub dynamic.

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RE: how do I get my power back? - 1/1/2008 2:49:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
quote:

ORIGINAL: Kumasan2
she discovered his posting. 

Actually she discovered her posting. The profile says the op is a female switch, aged 29.

Would our advice be different if we knew this upfront? Two female switches who switch with each other is different than a male/female dom/sub dynamic.


Wow.  Didn't catch that.  Myanon had been indirectly referred to as male and I'm afraid I didn't verify the facts. 

My apologies to Myanon for making that erroneous assumption.

Nonetheless, my original query is still valid as to wondering what ultimately happened.


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RE: how do I get my power back? - 1/2/2008 7:19:54 AM   
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Brother, I just came through a similar situation. No cheating I think, and less overt with the mockery, but complete loss of control with a woman claiming to be one thing when it is clear she isn't. You have got to reclaim your nuts by ditching this woman. If she is a liar and a cheat with the stones to mock you about it, you have got to get away man. I would suggest being as big a cock about it too. She seems to deserve it. Don't want her to feel guilty or lose confindence? Wake up man! She fucked another guy without guilt! She is guilty! Fuck her confidence. She's confident enough to treat you like shit. Get out bro.
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