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LuckyAlbatross -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (12/31/2007 5:32:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AtlantisKing111
Whether a sub/slave is under someone's protection or not has no bearing on my desire to connect or not connect with her.  Of much more import is what her attributes are and whether I think she and I would be a good match.

AK

So you don't believe someone choosing to have a protector who would feel it necessary to screen and chaperone correspondence with other dominants isn't any indicator of their attributes and good matching?



shellzbythesea -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (12/31/2007 6:39:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domahpet

i thought this was handled yesterday-
shells, did you change your mind?


domahpet...nope, i haven't changed my mind.  i was of a certain inclination to begin with but just wanted to see how others felt about it and if they felt the same as i did/do.  Obviously, most here do.  Although, some much more vehemently so than others.  lol
 
i sincerely appreciate all the replies.  Because i think some may have missed my initial point, probably due to the length of the thread (who has time to read four pages before replying?  we all have a life outside this, i know), i will probably come back to address those issues after tonight. 
 
As for right now, i'm heading out to enjoy New Year's Eve and i hope E/everyone else will be doing the same.
 
i wish Y/you all a very healthy and Happy New Year...BE SAFE...!!!



SlaveOwnerDave -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (12/31/2007 6:43:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shellzbythesea
Anyhow...as a side note...i did not ASK for his protection. We were on the phone the other day and he offered it as a suggestion. i wasn't sure it was the best idea...because of EXACTLY the majority of what was expressed above. Personally, viewing an ad like that would probably make me think the sub didn't have a mind of her own. He does not feel this way about me, at all. He's quite aware of my level of intelligence and that was part of his attraction to me when we were together. It was simply a suggestion and i soooo appreciate the fact that he cares enough to try to help me out. But again, i told him i didn't think most Doms would appreciate this...and that is why i came here to ask the view points of others.

Greetings shellzbythesea,

I don't have a problem with an adviser/'girlfriend', but I would if I thought He were running your life.
I do tend to be ambivalent, though:
1) I believe what I say stands on it own, and can be read by others without losing value. BUT
2) I do often say things which I might consider personal, to Myself or to My prospective slave, and want to KNOW it is not going to a reading circle somewhere.

Without going into specifics, I have a prospective slave who has a medical problem. My slave went to be with a Master local to the slave to spend five days. There was a bad reaction, on the slave's part, to waking in restraints in the middle of the night the first night. Then, the slave was getting a head cold.
As I am reading the slave's e-mail, I am getting more and more on edge. The situation drove Me to tears. If the slave were here, then I could be SURE of the doctor visits, prescriptions filled, medication taken on time, hospital visits, tests, rest, food, et cetera are all taken care of properly.
I would know that because I would oversee it Myself. Every little bit! My slave is My Responsibility, and I cannot take that lightly.
My prospective slave lives alone, on the east coast. Would having a 'protector' help the slave?
I have medical problems, too. So I know how to deal with these things.
My Engineering training makes Me meticulous about handling problems. How do I know the protector is any good?

So, I have to agree with some of the people above: "It depends." Every situation is different.

I will say, if I open a profile and see "collared", then I click "hide" and move on. "Protector" and "collared" seem much alike to many people.

And, yes, I have had problems here, too. My advice, FWIW, is read His posts here, read His blogs--if, indeed, He has any--and keep e-mailing with Him. Talk on the 'phone. Meet first. Other people on here have far more experience than I, but they seem to recommend the same things.

I wish you success.

Sincerely,
Master Dave



cinn -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (12/31/2007 7:13:59 PM)

If it were me, I'm inexperienced so I would want a sounding board for any potential candidates, just to check over their profile and perhaps keep an eye on them if they were in the chats to make sure I wasn't getting taken for a fool.
I also like to get feedback on messages before I send them due to being socially inept but that's just me! Call it training wheels.

Infact, I have two or three people I occasionally bounce ideas off. I don't/wouldn't mention it on my profile, it's just something to potentially get in the way that otherwise need not - as you may have realised it would put a lot of people off, they might assume things which are not true (i.e. your 'protector' is some kind of chaperone who wont *let* them interract or something, as opposed to someone who will think it might be a bad idea but leave it up to you).

ciao



DiurnalVampire -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (12/31/2007 7:20:34 PM)

Under protection doesnt deter me, depending on the type of "under protection" they are refering to.
If someone is serving a master/mistress unti they find someone of their own, then that would deter me a bit more than someone who just has a Dominant who is helping them make their decision and keep them from jumping at every offer.
I have been the protector before, often. I do so now, since I am no longer looking I have a boy or two who bounce ideas off me. It can be a useful thing for someone who tends to make bad decisons based on enthusiasm rather than actual proper interest.
The thing that deters some from protected subs is the idea of having to talk to a dominant in order to get to the sub. I have nothing to hide, and if someone wants to tak to me first, so be it.  It happens with parents, it happens with friends, so what is one more person to add to the mix that cares for the submissive I am courting? If I am not confident enough to answer a few questions then I probably shouldnt be looking for that submissive.

DV



Suleiman -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (12/31/2007 10:31:11 PM)

(fast reply)

I would not be deterred by "under protection" - in fact, I might be intrigued. It implies that someone already feels that the person in question is worth being protected. I say hello to whomever I feel like saying hello to. More often than not, nothing comes of it, but I still say hello. I am certainly not deterred by "protection", real or feigned.



masterlink65 -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/1/2008 2:46:01 PM)

i can see this as being very usefull actually, and my second slave bruno had a similar situation. i do not see this as a problem, and if a potential master does, well then,  he can move on to the next profile.

useful in many ways. it can serve as a sounding board, it can also serve to protect sub/slave from itself and lust, infatuation, and a hasty decision to be collared again.

the whole time i was interviewing bruno, i was in contact with his online supervisor/master/guidance counselor. i think it is great you have someone you can trust to help you find and help you notice what you need.

ultimately, any decisions were done by bruno, but at same time, he had another persons outlook handy to help ensure the best situation.

quality or quantity? whats more important???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????



undinerising -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/1/2008 5:01:12 PM)

That would definitely be a deterrent. I think that it's vitally important for subs to be able to make their own sensible choices with regard to who they scene with. I feel like anybody who needs a 'protector' to weed out the potential dom/mes would not be secure, mature, and confident enough for me to scene with. Just because a person is a sub doesn't mean it's hot for them to have no common sense or survival instinct!



masterlink65 -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/1/2008 5:49:01 PM)

i dont think you are understanding this concept completely. it has no bearing on wether sub can think for itself or not.



antipode -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/2/2008 1:08:35 AM)

"Protection" is simple manipulative behaviour. It is a method of control, nothing more. I've had a couple of those conversations with subs whose email is read by a "dom". These conversations always end when I voice my opinion: that a dom who reads a sub's emails clearly does not have a life. And my opinion of the sub allowing that is not very high either, I am afraid: she too is manipulative, craving of the attention she gets from this symbiotic relationship.

People will buy pills that enlarge "a certain part of the male anatomy". People will buy potions that help cure their cold. This even though one can look up that these things do not work - only surgery can enlarge that part, and the only functional ingredient of Nyquil is alcohol. It is all in the mind.

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dogobedience -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/2/2008 1:14:36 AM)

Depends on who the dom is and their desire to protect. If it is a real living face to face ex-dom then no. I go to them directly.

Usually means little to me otherwise. More fantasy roleplay cyber stuff.



parttimehotty -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/2/2008 5:44:50 AM)

Good morning,
Speaking as a sub who had very limited experience and decided to venture on her own after being trained by only One Dom, during this "search" He was my sounding board but He did not have access to my emails, yet i did send Him notes from potential Dom's only because my experience was limited to only Him and only for a little while. i wanted a Dom who had no other subs and could focus solely on my training. Yes, that was selfish & i've grown past that, however, during that time, i was able to receive His experience to weed out the fakes/wannabes and focus on the one's who seemed real.  Needless to say, during this time, i continued chatting w/my potential Dom & decided to put aside my selfish needs and ask to reenter training w/Him so if shellzbythesea does continue to use her Dom as a sounding board/or protection from whatever she deems she needs protection from, she might just decide that the same Dom is what she's been seeking all along.
***Just my 2 cents****



OldBastardly1 -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/2/2008 6:29:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: antipode

People will buy pills that enlarge "a certain part of the male anatomy". People will buy potions that help cure their cold. This even though one can look up that these things do not work - only surgery can enlarge that part, and the only functional ingredient of Nyquil is alcohol. It is all in the mind.




I guess you did this research yourself, right? While you are right about the "pecker plls", you are quite mistaken about Nyquil.



MasterSohun -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/2/2008 10:59:40 AM)

understanding is a two edge sword,a statement of a "protection may indicate several things ,someone things they need protection,they are being protected and controlled to some extent by someone elseor both,in which case unless i know what is going on i will not speak further with that person,i do not belive in negotiating with another Master for a slave,if by thought a slave wants t be with me they must aproach me direct!



Rover -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/2/2008 2:30:42 PM)

I would quickly ascertain that the individual was utterly incompatible with me.  If she had some hot pics, I might oggle for a few moments, then move on.
 
John



batshalom -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/2/2008 3:00:15 PM)

~fastish reply~

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ORIGINAL: shellzbythesea

my first Dom, who i still and will always respect, has been observing my struggles here.  He has suggested that he could offer me his "protection" or "guidance" when i am ready to resume my search. 


I haven't read many replies, so apologies if this is a duplicate.

If I were a Dom, I would be totally put off by allowing a Dom to wave me through or bury me - allowing another Dom to Dominate me would be contrary to my desires.

Further, I would assume there was something going on between you and this other person, or that there was something one or both of you wish were going on between you, and therefore no reason to interfere.



AnimusRex -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/2/2008 6:31:50 PM)

I would not be deterred at all.
I am very skeptical about most "protection" rackets, but am impressed by some.
I encourage new female submissives to find a friendly Domme or alpha sub to mentor with and seek advice from, and I feel that if a Man feels awkward about another Dom or Domme reading his advances on a girl, he probably has reason to be warned off.



darkpassenger434 -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/2/2008 11:49:03 PM)

It would greatly depend on the nature of the relationship. If I checked the other Doms profile and didn't like it that would of course matter. If protection involved "This guy is screwing me until I find another." I would probably be inclined to pass. If it looked like someone genuinely looking out for another I wouldn't have a problem with it.
-R



sunshinemiss -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/3/2008 3:12:10 AM)

removed cause i was a lil bit rude.  sorry. 

thank you.



ares12 -> RE: sub under "protection"...would it deter You? (1/3/2008 5:49:03 AM)

I have to admit it does scare some younger doms away thinking that a private message is going to be read by someone else or having to ask someone for permission to message a sub. Personally I think it is not a good thing for a sub, being told who is a good dom or a bad dom when they most likely have they not met the person themselves, come on! 



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