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proudsub -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/12/2008 9:35:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LeMis Hey, I found this recipe that looks like it might be OK for low carb diets... Paula Dean on Food Network ........ whatcha all think? That's a recipe used by South Beach followers too. I prefer it with almond butter and almond extract added.

MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 6:27:54 AM)
Okay…so: 1 cup peanut butter, creamy or crunchy 1 1/3 cups baking sugar replacement (recommended: Splenda) 1 egg 1 teaspoon vanilla extract …makes a real cookie? Its just peanut butter, ‘sugar’ and egg! That’s it!!! What prevents it from melting into a mere stain on the cookie sheet? Dang… who knew? I bought some flaxseed recently. I have always enjoyed the nutty goodness of wheat germ in/on all manner of goodies and with all this talk of flaxseed, thought I’d try it. What I wanna know is: must the flaxseed be ground or can our bodies make use of it whole? Dang…it is so TINY! I don’t know why I have never thought of nut-meals as flour! I’m going to have to look for recipes using these flours…maybe I can make use of that bread-machine afterall! Proud…you’ve mentioned a 'flaxseed-meal' before; has it added flour? Charmer, can we create ‘flour’ substitutes using ground nuts and or seeds? Mix with protein? Protein powder…the kind used in drinks? I cannot believe how much I have to learn… Thanks LeMis…I really enjoy coming here and finding mo-stuff! I'm going to www.fitday and see which is lower in carbs: peanut butter or almond butter! Damn.... there are awesome choices if ya pay attention, huh? Proud and Charmer...both of you are great! Thanks so much!!! Beverly

lauren0221 -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 6:35:38 AM)
I've come across some really good sounding recipes using coconut flour as well. Supposed to be really good for you.

Level -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 6:53:39 AM)
Re: nut butters- look out for trans-fats and partially hydrogenated crap, and avoid it.

MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 7:04:04 AM)
Okay, here is what I found: 1 Tablespoon Peanut Butter: Calories 94.88 Calories from Fat 73.48 Total Fat 8.16g 13% Saturated Fat 1.66g 8% Polyunsaturated Fat 2.21g Monounsaturated Fat 3.88g Cholesterol 0mg 0% Sodium 74.72mg 3% Potassium 107.04mg 3% Total Carbohydrate 3.08g 1% Dietary Fiber 0.944g 4% Protein 4.03g 8% Alcohol 0g 1 Tablespoon Almond Butter: Calories 101.28 Calories from Fat 85.1 Total Fat 9.46g 15% Saturated Fat 0.896g 4% Polyunsaturated Fat 1.98g Monounsaturated Fat 6.14g Cholesterol 0mg 0% Sodium 72mg 3% Potassium 121.28mg 3% Total Carbohydrate 3.4g 1% Dietary Fiber 0.592g 2% Protein 2.41g 5% Alcohol 0g 1 2/3 Tablespoon Honey Crunch Wheat Germ: (Wheat Germ, Sugar Syrup, Corn Syrup, Molasses, Honey, Vitamin E Acetate, Folic Acid): Calories 50 Calories from Fat 10 Total Fat 1g 2% Saturated Fat 0g 0% Polyunsaturated Fat 0.5g Monounsaturated Fat 0g Cholesterol 0mg 0% Sodium 0mg 0% Potassium 135mg 4% Total Carbohydrate 8g 3% Dietary Fiber 1g 6% Sugars 3g Protein 4g So, the first two are quite similar, it seems; peanut butter having more protein but less fat. As far as the Wheat Germ.........I'm embarrassed to admit I got the sugared kind (I've had the stuff a year, though). However, in spite of the extra 2/3 Tablespoon measured amount, and all the sugars added...I don't understand why it's bad; or is it? While the Carbs are twice as high (and so is the total measured amount, remember)...the fiber and protein are higher too. <sigh> and yes, the sugar too! Still, it just doesn't seem that bad...not to me, in this (amateur) comparison of mine. So, is it possible then…to grind up Wheat Germ and use it for flour…or part of a ‘flour substitute’? And again, what IS in ‘flax seed meal’, I wonder.

MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 7:16:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Re: nut butters- look out for trans-fats and partially hydrogenated crap, and avoid it. Thanks Level! Okay...none of these list the actual words " trans-fats and partially hydrogenated crap"...does that mean they are not there? Gawd…my ‘Natural’ Peanut Butter has sugar in it! Arrggggggggggggggg!!! Usually I buy ‘real’ peanut butter: which has only peanuts & salt in it. This stuff is: Smart Balance OMEGA Natural Peanut Butter (with 1000mg Omega-3s) 2 Tablespoons (note, their measure is twice the ones earlier): Calories 200 Calories from Fat 150 Total Fat 17g 26% Sat Fat 3g 15% Trans Fat 0g Poly Fat 2g Mono Fat 12g Cholesterol 0m 0% Sodium 110mg 5% Potassium 190mg Total Carb 6g 2% Dietary Fiber 2g 8% Sugars 1g Protein 7g So...in spite of the sugar (dammit!!!) IS this stuff any better for me? I have not yet finished Atkins' book...I think oil and such is discussed next. Beverly

Level -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 7:39:49 AM)
Good morning, Beverly. All nut butters (and nuts) have carbs, so no getting around that, but the one you listed is about as good as you'll find. I eat mainly almond and macademia butters, but I do eat natural pb sometimes. There are those, primarily the Paleo advocates, that advise against eating peanuts; they aren't actually a nut, for one thing, they're a legume, and may cause health issues. http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/fatsnuts.shtml Prof. Cordain is a very bright man, but wrong about some things IMO -- such as his disdain for saturated fats.

LeMis -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 8:12:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer quote: ORIGINAL: LeMis So add the ground flaxseed in place of ( ? ) or in additon to the recipe? I had bought some ground golden flaxseed to add to my protein shake and ... [:'(] it wasn't pleasant at all. If I remember correctly I didn't/couldn't finish my protein shake, and it's not like I have more than a cup of liquid to drink up. Switch to flax oil in your shakes then, and cook with flaxseed meal. It makes awesome muffins. I'm pretty hardcore and will put anything in my protein shakes including tuna, but I understand that normal people still have taste buds. [:D] Good suggestion however due to some malabsorption issues, flax oil isn't really an option. [&:] Thanks anyways. quote: Folks have suggested using flaxseed in baking but I try to steer clear of flour, blah blah blah... although while I was out west this past summer my friend took me shopping for alternative flours made from nuts and healthier things. I may have to search for a similar place to purchase those here in FL. Flaxseed bears no relationship to wheat flour. It's a seed, not a grain. Flaxseed, almond meal and soy or whey protein makes a very fine flour when mixed together, and contains no wheat at all. I do seem to remember my friend from Seattle making something w/ flax & something else... hmmm, now I have to go search for that recipe... ---------------------- quote: ORIGINAL: proudsub quote: ORIGINAL: LeMis Hey, I found this recipe that looks like it might be OK for low carb diets... Paula Dean on Food Network ........ whatcha all think? That's a recipe used by South Beach followers too. I prefer it with almond butter and almond extract added. Maybe I'll try the almond next time. ---------------------- Here's that recipe my friend made for the pot luck (I helped, hehe) [;)] (Good thing they were for a party pot luck because they were yummy, I had a couple, maybe 4 total.) Asiago and Four Peppercorn Cheese Straws with Flax 1/2 cup (1 stick) butter, at room temperature 1 pound Asiago cheese, shredded, at room temperature 1 cup all-purpose flour* 1/2 cup ground flax seeds 1 teaspoon salt 1/4 teaspoon ground red pepper 1/2 teaspoon fresh ground black pepper 1/4 teaspoon fresh ground white pepper 2 teaspoons fresh green peppercorns Preheat the oven to 300 degrees F. In a mixing bowl, cream the butter until light and fluffy. Add the cheese and mix until blended. Add the flour, flax, salt, and peppers, and mix to form a dough. Refrigerate for 30 minutes to firm up the dough, then place it in a cookie press, fitted with a ridged tip. Pipe the dough in 2-inch strips onto a lightly greased cookie sheet (or roll into pinkie-finger-sized logs). Bake for 10 to 15 minutes or until lightly browned. Remove to racks to cool. * I believe my friend used a healthier flour like the kind you grind up yourself at a bulk food store.

MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 8:21:22 AM)
Morning, Level! I'm so tickled you're here...and I'm waiting with baited breath for the paper you intend to write. About coconuts and coconut oil, I remember ModOne saying she (?) used it a lot…enjoyed the taste of the fresh oil so much, she sometimes ate it by itself. From the link Level just offered (http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/fatsnuts.shtml): “Two nuts that you should not include in your diet are coconuts and peanuts. Coconuts, far and away, contain the most saturated fat of any nut. Further they only have miniscule amounts of cholesterol-lowering monounsaturated fatty acids, and they are devoid of omega 3 fatty acids.” He goes on, offering links to various studies and continues with: “At first, it was not clear how seemingly healthful oil could be so toxic in such a wide variety of animals. Dr. David Kritchevsky and colleagues at the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia were able to show with a series of experiments that peanut oil lectin (PNA) was most likely responsible for its artery clogging properties.” He even said peanut oil was routinely fed to rabbits to bring on atherosclerosis to study the disease. Damn! All this information, combined with the info in the first paragraph of the page on the site we just hit…make me wonder about nuts. And then I read his comment: “However, because of their high fat content, nuts should not be consumed in unlimited quantity if you are trying to lose weight.” …which, of course, flies right in the face of all that Atkins says about fat. <sigh> Damn, HOW is it you weigh this information, Level? I’m fairly sure you’re not a scientist…well-read as you obviously are. I totally respect how it is you think, but how is it we determine what or whom to believe when reading all this controversial information? I thought we were supposed to avoid saturated fats, too…until I read Atkins; but now I feel like I’m following who ever it is I’m currently reading. That’s not smart! Was Prof. Cordain not so much against saturated fats in general as he was against the fats in some nuts? He said this, too: “In general nuts are healthy foods that would have always been favorites of our hunter gatherer ancestors because of their high fat concentrations. As was the case with vegetable oils, if you don't get sufficient long chain omega 3 fatty acids in your diet (0.5 to 1.8 grams of EPA + DHA), nuts have a great potential to give you too much omega 6 fatty acids. Two exceptions to this rule are walnuts with an omega 6/omega 3 ratio of 4.2 and butternuts with an omega 6/omega 3 ratio of 3.9. Otherwise, nuts are a great source of cholesterol-lowering monounsaturated fatty acids and in numerous studies have been shown to reduce the risk for cardiovascular disease. However, because of their high fat content, nuts should not be consumed in unlimited quantity if you are trying to lose weight. Two nuts that you should not include in your diet are coconuts and peanuts. Coconuts, far and away, contain the most saturated fat of any nut. Further they only have miniscule amounts of cholesterol-lowering monounsaturated fatty acids, and they are devoid of omega 3 fatty acids.” And: “Starting in the 1960's and continuing into the 1980's scientists unexpectedly found peanut oil to be highly atherogenic, causing arterial plaques to form in rabbits, rats, and primates--only a single study showed otherwise.” He goes on to discuss Lectins. So…is it just some specific saturated fats about which he takes issue? Beverly

Level -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 8:56:34 AM)
quote: Morning, Level! I'm so tickled you're here...and I'm waiting with baited breath for the paper you intend to write. That's going slower than I had planned, so patience, my friend [;)] And good morning to you. quote: About coconuts and coconut oil, I remember ModOne saying she (?) used it a lot…enjoyed the taste of the fresh oil so much, she sometimes ate it by itself. She is a very bright lady, and has helped me with some questions I had [8\|]. I agree that coconut oil is fine. quote: “However, because of their high fat content, nuts should not be consumed in unlimited quantity if you are trying to lose weight.” …which, of course, flies right in the face of all that Atkins says about fat. <sigh> Damn, HOW is it you weigh this information, Level? I’m fairly sure you’re not a scientist…well-read as you obviously are. I totally respect how it is you think, but how is it we determine what or whom to believe when reading all this controversial information? I thought we were supposed to avoid saturated fats, too…until I read Atkins; but now I feel like I’m following who ever it is I’m currently reading. That’s not smart! Some foods stall some people; nuts are one of them. In my case, they never caused my weight loss to stop, so I ate them without worrying. The key word IMO is "unlimited"..... I always limit it to a handful. Some folks (myself included) can sit down and knock out an entire can of my beloved almond/pecan/macademia mix [:D], and that's a lot of calories! As for who to believe, the only way I know to go about this is to experiment on yourself; read as much as you can with an open mind; and keep track of your body's reaction to everything you try. It's not always easy, and there are some things I find I have to take on faith. quote: Was Prof. Cordain not so much against saturated fats in general as he was against the fats in some nuts? He said this, too: “In general nuts are healthy foods that would have always been favorites of our hunter gatherer ancestors because of their high fat concentrations. As was the case with vegetable oils, if you don't get sufficient long chain omega 3 fatty acids in your diet (0.5 to 1.8 grams of EPA + DHA), nuts have a great potential to give you too much omega 6 fatty acids. Two exceptions to this rule are walnuts with an omega 6/omega 3 ratio of 4.2 and butternuts with an omega 6/omega 3 ratio of 3.9. Otherwise, nuts are a great source of cholesterol-lowering monounsaturated fatty acids and in numerous studies have been shown to reduce the risk for cardiovascular disease. However, because of their high fat content, nuts should not be consumed in unlimited quantity if you are trying to lose weight. Two nuts that you should not include in your diet are coconuts and peanuts. Coconuts, far and away, contain the most saturated fat of any nut. Further they only have miniscule amounts of cholesterol-lowering monounsaturated fatty acids, and they are devoid of omega 3 fatty acids.” And: “Starting in the 1960's and continuing into the 1980's scientists unexpectedly found peanut oil to be highly atherogenic, causing arterial plaques to form in rabbits, rats, and primates--only a single study showed otherwise.” He goes on to discuss Lectins. So…is it just some specific saturated fats about which he takes issue? Beverly Cordain on fatty acids: http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/fats.shtml He's wary of most all sat fats, but according to his good friend (and brilliant doctor) Michael Eades, even Cordain is less dismissive of sat fats, in a very low carb diet.

proudsub -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 12:08:41 PM)
As for peanut and almond butter--if you grind your own at places that offer that service like Fred Meyer and Whole Food you are only eating nuts with nothing added. quote: …makes a real cookie? Its just peanut butter, ‘sugar’ and egg! That’s it!!! What prevents it from melting into a mere stain on the cookie sheet? Dang… who knew? The egg holds it together, they really are delicious. I like to top the almond ones with a whole almond. You do have to watch your quantities because of the high calories. quote: What I wanna know is: must the flaxseed be ground or can our bodies make use of it whole? Dang…it is so TINY! Yes it needs to be ground or it will go right through you whole with no benefit. Look in the refridgerator of the health foods section of your store for Bob's Red Mill flax meal. Ground flax seeds need to be kept refridgerated to avoid going rancid. Flaxseed meal has no flour in it. quote: can we create ‘flour’ substitutes using ground nuts and or seeds? Mix with protein? Protein powder…the kind used in drinks For some things nut meals work well, like for pie crusts. I'll post a pie crust recipe later after i find it.

proudsub -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 12:15:41 PM)
quote: Some foods stall some people; nuts are one of them. On South Beach a serving of nuts is about 20 and we are limited to one serving a day. I know too many nuts and too much cheese can really stall my efforts.

MsBearlee -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 12:19:47 PM)
ROFLMAO All that and yer a comedian too??? <smiles broadly> THAT was funny!!! Beverly

proudsub -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 12:26:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsBearlee ROFLMAO All that and yer a comedian too??? <smiles broadly> THAT was funny!!! Beverly I doubt if anyone sticks to that serving size, i know i don't.[:D] But i do try to be careful with nuts.

proudsub -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/13/2008 1:53:20 PM)
Nut crust This is good for cheesecakes, no sugar added fruit pies and pudding pie fillings. It might work for quiche too but i haven't tried that. I often use whole wheat crusts found in the freezer section at Whole Foods, but that is for South Beach not low carb plans. CRUST 1 Cup Pecans (crunched up) you can also use almonds or almost any nut meal. 1/4 cup butter 1 TBSP splenda Mix all ingredients for crust , spread out in pie plate and bake at 400 for 5 minutes

LeMis -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/15/2008 6:57:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: proudsub I doubt if anyone sticks to that serving size, i know i don't.[:D] But i do try to be careful with nuts. Actually I do try to stick to a one ounce serving of nuts, I have one of those medicine cups and it is marked that one ounce is a full med. cup. I'll measure and toss in a snack baggie and then grab & go when I am headed out the door. I try to keep some things ready to go just in case I run short on time. I really hate HATE to be out and about and have nothing "good" available to snack on if/when the mood strikes. KWIM?

lauren0221 -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/15/2008 7:10:05 AM)
I kwym:) And came across this on msn - some good ideas: http://healthandfitness.sympatico.msn.ca/The+Carb+Lovers+Survival+Guide/Fitness/Articles/ContentPosting_MensHealth.aspx?isfa=1&newsitemid=6185&feedname=RODALE-MENHEALTH&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc&date=False

proudsub -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/15/2008 6:16:14 PM)
Thanks for the link Lauren, some of those are in the South Beach books, but a few are new to me. I love the mashed cauliflower (mock mashed potatoes) but when i served them to Hubby He said "get the crap off my plate", couldn't fool Him.

lauren0221 -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/15/2008 6:38:45 PM)
Welcome:) If I weren't dieting, and I had a choice between real mashed potatoes and the cauliflower ones, I'd do the real too:) But the cauliflower is a pretty good substitute when you get a potato craving.

LeMis -> RE: High Protein, Low Carb Diet (1/15/2008 7:05:14 PM)
The first time I tried creamed cauliflower I thought it was awesome... not sure if this is the same thing as what y'all are talking about though. But then I like cauliflower anyways, lol. [:D]

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