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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

On a reality TV show I might, sure. If they knew what they were doing. But you're some stranger I met on the Internet, who wants to tie me up...

So, let's discuss the conditions under which you WILL stand up, and support your allegation of waterboarding NOT being torture.

WHO, WHERE and HOW. What are your ideas?

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Well first off owner59, Yes, if that was the only way to save lives, I would blow the guy.  If you make up some silly scenario where I have to take it up the ass, I guess I would do that if needed.  Now you can snicker and say I am Gay or something.....

Man, my open question must have really hit a nerve on you.  Not only were you scared to actually answer it, you went off throwing up distractions. 

Now how about a serious answer to what I asked. 

If there were a natural disaster, and a couple of large Democratic states physically could not vote, would you want to delay the election or hold it right away garunteeing a Republican victory?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Again, I ask you, what is your experience in the legal field on the subject under discussion that makes your opinion more correct than the lawyers who have reviewed the technique and who say it passes legal muster?

I am fully capable of reading. What else is relevant to the interpretation of Law?

And exactly who are these lawyers of whom you speak?

You can read, and nothing else is relevant?  Hmm, I can tell you've never had any actual experience with the law then.

Tell me this then ... why would you take the opinion of a doctor, over your own, on the diagnosis of an uncommon illness? (Or would you?)

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You have made the claim that waterboarding is effective in getting the compliance of people that it is used on, have you not?

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: oreogirl

Does anyone have a foil hat?

Foil hat??

We are using titanium beanies and underoos around here.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Hey .... you admit it when you make a mistake ....

That makes you one of a very small minority here on the CM forums! 

Firm

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ORIGINAL: NavyDDG54

For everyone here. The President has the authority to suspend the geneva convention therefore making it legal for him to order torture.
The people we have in Guantanamo are not nice people. They are little more than animals. The terrorists being held there are the ones directly responsible for (intentionially) killing innocent civilians. And many of them have information vital to saving American lives.

Hypothetical question...if we knew for a fact that one of those terrorsits had info on a nuke in the US would you oppose using torture to get that info and stop that nuke?

The liberals criticize Bush for not doing enough to stop 9-11, maybe if we had tortured the terrorists prior to 9-11 we would have been able to stop it.

As for Iraq, we are WINNING. You want to support us (I say us because I am in the military and have been to Iraq). Send us care packages (phonecards, letters, snacks, batteries, etc...). We are determined the finish this war with a victory. It's taken a long time yes (4 1/2 years in Iraq) but no longer than WWII. with significantly less US casualties.

For those of you who think that Bush started the war you are wrong. The terrorists have been at war with us for decades:

1979: Iran Hostage crisis
April 1983: 17 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut.
October 1983: 241 dead at the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut.
December 1983: five dead at the U.S. embassy in Kuwait.
January 1984: the president of the American University of Beirut killed.
April 1984: 18 dead near a U.S. airbase in Spain.
September 1984: 16 dead at the U.S. embassy in Beirut (again).
December 1984: Two dead on a plane hijacked to Tehran.
June 1985: One dead on a plane hijacked to Beirut.
After a let-up, the attacks then restarted: Five and 19 dead in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996, 224 dead at the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August 1998 and 17 dead on the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000.
Simultaneously, the murderous assault of militant Islam also took place on U.S. soil:
July 1980: an Iranian dissident killed in the Washington, D.C. area.
August 1983: a leader of the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam killed in Canton, Mich.
August 1984: three Indians killed in a suburb of Tacoma, Wash.
September 1986: a doctor killed in Augusta, Ga.
January 1990: an Egyptian freethinker killed in Tucson, Ariz.
November 1990: a Jewish leader killed in New York.
February 1991: an Egyptian Islamist killed in New York.
January 1993: two CIA staff killed outside agency headquarters in Langley, Va.
February 1993: Six people killed at the World Trade Center.
March 1994: an Orthodox Jewish boy killed on the Brooklyn Bridge.
February 1997: a Danish tourist killed on the Empire State building.
October 1999: 217 passengers killed on an EgyptAir flight near New York City."

Others in 1999:
-Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States–Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots

2000:
-The last of the 2000 millennium attack plots fails, as the boat meant to bomb USS The Sullivans sinks.
- USS Cole bombing kills 17 US sailors and wounds 40 off the port coast of Aden, Yemen, by al-Qaeda

2001:
-9-11

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Lives before Politics means you would want to delay the elections? 

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Owner: Navy is 22 and old enough to serve his country. Why are you calling him "kid"?

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

Owner: Navy is 22 and old enough to serve his country. Why are you calling him "kid"?

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ORIGINAL: ligar59

I was told that Pres Bush could declare Marshall law, which would suspend the elections indefinitely, thus allowing him to remain in office until he decided the "war" was over

Tell me that is not possible

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

constantly editing your posts.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

When you`re push`n 50,they all start look`n like kids.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Why is this childish stupidity,being inserted into the conversation?

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Reposted,b/c this thread fits so well....

Much has been said by the brave-heart, torture proponents.We`ve all heard the loaded question,"If you had a terrorist in custody,who had info about a bomb that would kill thousands,would you use torture to extract that vital info,in order to intervein and save American lives?

The question is unfair,because what other answer to a question like, could you give?Of course someone would say yes.

I have a question for the brave heroes, who say we need to torture people, in order to keep us safe.

We all know that these terrorists are the most religiously brainwashed and devoted nuts on earth.They beleive the whole thing,there`s no  atheists, in their ranks.They believe that being martyred, is a "get in heaven guaranteed card".They believe that each and every one of them, will somehow be presented with 72 virgins when they arrive in heaven,lol,plus a whole lot of other nonsense.The point is,the terrorists/jihadists believe this,to the point of death.They don`t get more crazy or committed,then that.

However,they believe that if they do anything homosexual,they won`t go to heaven.No datenut bread with hot tea, served by the 72 virgins,no de-flowering of the 72,or any of the other heavenly blessings.If they go gay,they get zilch.Doesn`t matter if it`s a fairy tail,the terrorist believe that shit,and it can be used against them.

The question now:

If there was a ticking time bomb,and you had the actual terrorist who planted it,in your hands,would you do homosexual acts on him,to make him talk.All you need to do is pull his pants down while he`s bound,and give him head,and he`ll give up the goods,because,to a Muslim,nothing`s worse then going the hell.

Would you brave ,heroic ,straight guys step up and suck cock for your country,if you knew it would save lives?

Luckydog,Sanity,Fatdomdaddy,etc.,we know you`re torture crazed,with Jack Bauer/24 fantasies of saving the day and all.If you knew that sucking and licking the junk of a terrorist would save thousands of Americans,would you suck and lick?

C`on tough guys,what would you do?