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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 2:43:42 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		For those of you who think that Bush started the war you are wrong. The terrorists have been at war with us for decades:

1979: Iran Hostage crisis


My post was disbelief that someone would actually lie and pretend that we didn't start the war...I am with luckydog on all this lying and pretending.

The reason that a question or statement is asinine or not related to what anyone has said is because when one pronounces the sky a brilliant shade of puce as a fundamental truism of the underlying reason to believe, one of right reason must necessarily be compelled to explain azureity thru prismatics (like FHKs avatar forehead) ...
(I know you know what azure is FHK so don't grab up on that, this is for those who cannot accept the simple concept that the middle east didnt start in 1979)  but the fucking war in the gulf did start (for our part) in 2003      

Ron

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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 2:48:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Navy,

Excellent post and points.

However, the "John Carter", "Noah Wyle" and tinfoil hat crowd will simply dismiss any such information and start calling you names, make up asinine questions unrelated to anything you've said, and pose convoluted, unlikely scenarios in an attempt to cloud the issue.

And that's on a good day.

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I don't think anyone considers your opinion relevant anymore, since you've proven your lack of credibility.



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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 2:52:02 PM   
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However, the "John Carter", "Noah Wyle" and tinfoil hat crowd will simply dismiss any such information and start calling you names, make up asinine questions unrelated to anything you've said, and pose convoluted, unlikely scenarios in an attempt to cloud the issue.

Kind of like how you're doing here?  Give it a rest, the lot of you.

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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 3:50:21 PM   
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However, the "John Carter", "Noah Wyle" and tinfoil hat crowd will simply dismiss any such information and start calling you names, make up asinine questions unrelated to anything you've said, and pose convoluted, unlikely scenarios in an attempt to cloud the issue.

Kind of like how you're doing here?  Give it a rest, the lot of you.

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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 3:56:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow. I remember when this same kind of shit was flying around during the Clinton years... concentration camps under Denver's new airport, black helicopters spiriting away citizens who spoke up, that Clinton was the triggerman for Vince Foster's death, blah, blah, blah...

Both sides are just as assinine as the other.

And BTW, everytime one of you jerks says "democrat party" that's just a cue to switch off  anything you have to say. You can either start using proper english, or be ignored as an asshole.

The difference is that Bush has fucked up every single thing he's touched. The only lasting legacy he's made is that he's packed the supreme court with enough republicans that they should be able to maintain a stranglehold over women's and minority rights for the next 20 years. Roberts and his ilk have made no secret of their intent to roll things back to pre-1968 levels.

Ain't that bad enough?

Okay, if it isn't, then just remember, under Reagan, Bush I and now Bush II, the national debt has doubled to 9 trillion dollars. That will be a major drag on our economy at least until 2050.

I doubt if the Bush family will bother trying to stay in power. They've done their damage. Once out of office, the Bush clan will quietly move to be closer to their masters... in Saudi Arabia.

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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:20:39 PM   
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Wow. I remember when this same kind of shit was flying around during the Clinton years... concentration camps under Denver's new airport, black helicopters spiriting away citizens who spoke up, that Clinton was the triggerman for Vince Foster's death, blah, blah, blah...

Both sides are just as assinine as the other.

Yup, you have this right. There is both a LL (Loony left) and a LR (Loony Right). Both sides are well represented on this board.

I'm an equal opportunity poster. I point them both out. It seems that conspiracy theories are a big point of agreement with both sides, although with differing emphasis.


quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

And BTW, everytime one of you jerks says "democrat party" that's just a cue to switch off  anything you have to say. You can either start using proper english, or be ignored as an asshole.

I agree as well. Some of the "jerk" (as you put it) words and phrases that often times (not always) indicate a brittle and blind ideological belief system from my point of view are:

"Neo-con"
"martial law"
"stolen election"
"war crimes"
"fascist"
"blood for oil"
"impeachment"

Lots more out there, but when those words start getting thrown around ... all thinking has likely long ceased.


quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber

The difference is that Bush has fucked up every single thing he's touched. The only lasting legacy he's made is that he's packed the supreme court with enough republicans that they should be able to maintain a stranglehold over women's and minority rights for the next 20 years. Roberts and his ilk have made no secret of their intent to roll things back to pre-1968 levels.

Ain't that bad enough?

Bush has screwed the pooch on several issues. Two that he seems (now) to have gotten right in the long run are:

1. The war on terror, (and no, I don't like that title either) and
2. The Supreme Court.

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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:23:17 PM   
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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:29:38 PM   
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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:35:39 PM   
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Firm



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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:42:46 PM   
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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:46:20 PM   
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If the surge wasn't working why would Congress, alleged to have been elected on a platform of change and not members of the same political party as the executive office holder, vote to continue funding it, when only a simple majority, which they have, would have killed it?

Couldn't be that the $70 Billion they approved was part of a "reach around" $555 Billion reelection/extortion payment could it? Where's the movement to impeach every member of Congress as an accessory to this as well as all the other Constitutional breaches. After all, any ongoing "torture" was also funded by this Bill.

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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:48:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		You made the absurd claim that waterboarding isn't torture. You were full of shit, and I called you on it.

My offer still stands... Since you don't believe that drowning people, albeit mostly without fatality, isn't torture, why don't YOU consent to the exact same procedure? I *still* will cover your expenses, should you not crack in less than 10 minutes.

We are back to, as we were before: "Put up, or shut up." You may begin your prevarication and evasion now...

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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:49:44 PM   
FirmhandKY


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You, my friend, are a rational human being.

You are forbidden to post such questions anymore.  Ya hear?!  

Firm


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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:51:27 PM   
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Since you don't believe that drowning people, albeit mostly without fatality, isn't torture, why don't YOU consent to the exact same procedure? I *still* will cover your expenses, should you not crack in less than 10 minutes.


This means that you believe waterboarding to work?

Firm


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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:55:32 PM   
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No dog in this fight, however a question of focus.

If the surge wasn't working why would Congress, alleged to have been elected on a platform of change and not members of the same political party as the executive office holder, vote to continue funding it, when only a simple majority, which they have, would have killed it?


That is predicated on the hypothesis that the Electoral Process for Congress wasn't as fake and pointless as any other Election in the United States.

What happens in DC is exactly what is scripted to happen in DC.

So, when you say, "ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN ELECTED", you are absolutely correct. The ALLEGED ELECTIONS produced exactly the result desired by those who control the outcome. Those people are NOT, btw, the voters.

As long as enough people BELIEVE that voting can effect change, they won't go to the next step in reclaiming Freedom and Liberty. I would suggest that the Next Step is the reformation of the entire election process, to ensure transparency, openness, and auditability, and then seeing where the chips fall with HONEST elections. Others might contend the system is too broken for even that...



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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:58:15 PM   
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Since you don't believe that drowning people, albeit mostly without fatality, isn't torture, why don't YOU consent to the exact same procedure? I *still* will cover your expenses, should you not crack in less than 10 minutes.


This means that you believe waterboarding to work?

Firm



"to work", how? That's a very imprecise question.

Waterboarding works as a torture technique, without doubt.

Did you mean to ask the question, "Do you believe waterboarding is an effective interrogation tool?"

No.




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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 4:59:00 PM   
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quote:

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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 5:01:39 PM   
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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 5:01:50 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Since you don't believe that drowning people, albeit mostly without fatality, isn't torture, why don't YOU consent to the exact same procedure? I *still* will cover your expenses, should you not crack in less than 10 minutes.


This means that you believe waterboarding to work?

Firm



"to work", how? That's a very imprecise question.

Waterboarding works as a torture technique, without doubt.

Did you mean to ask the question, "Do you believe waterboarding is an effective interrogation tool?"

No.


Please define your use of the word "crack" in the above quote.

Why is it not an effective interrogation tool? You have first hand experience with it?

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RE: Can Bush do this? - 1/2/2008 5:05:19 PM   
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Rewriting the record... That's a new tactic.


Discretion is the better part of valor and all that jazz.

At least ... "rewriting" means that he had a good grasp ... oops, never mind.    

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