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FirmhandKY -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 7:17:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Why do you keep discussing crimes? I am not discussing Criminal Acts. I am discussing Acts of Honor and Integrity. Fargle, you are just so full of it.[:D] You are the one who quotes "law" to great length. You are constantly saying how it's "plain" how everything you disagree with is an "illegal act". Muttling does a very good job of showing you how your "legal" arguments in this case hold no water ... and then you claim you aren't discussing "legal acts" at all? Hey ... if you can't win on your first assertion ... change what you claim to be arguing. Firm

Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 7:19:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling -Bonus points if you can tell me who the first casualty of contact is. The plan

FirmhandKY -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 7:24:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling -Bonus points if you can tell me who the first casualty of contact is. The plan Ahhh, some of your history comes out. Ex-military, huh? [:D] Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 7:37:19 AM)
From THIS thread: farglebargle said: If you're man enough to torture a prisoner tied to a bed, why aren't you man enough to submit yourself to police custody for your crime, and plead guilty to the charge of Torture -- accepting the LEGAL CONSEQUENCES of your CHOICE TO TORTURE A PRISONER? I think that's the real issue here -- Not "Under extraordinary circumstances, what should a person 'in the breech' do should the worst come to the worst"?, but "Why should someone who DOES break the law under those circumstances, evade the legal consequences of their choice?" Also, this is interesting: "crime" and "farglebargle" search Firm

Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 9:57:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling -Bonus points if you can tell me who the first casualty of contact is. The plan Ahhh, some of your history comes out. Ex-military, huh? [:D] Firm Oh noze! You found me out! Some of my oh-so-top-secret history! Well, I might be, or I might like the author John Ringo. Or it might be both. Shhhhhhhhhhhh! I'm not telling.

ModeratorEleven -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 11:17:04 AM)
That's two down, anyone else want a vacation? Discuss the topic civilly or you'll be removed. XI

Muttling -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 3:34:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling -Bonus points if you can tell me who the first casualty of contact is. The plan ROCK ON!!!!!!! Here's the answer to what I was referring to when I said, "Black n white thinkers allways made me nervous becuase they struggle to deal with something that doesn't work with the school solution." I have seen the following epitath at Benning and Bragg, quote: Here lies the bones of Ranger Jones. A graduate of this institution. He died last night, in his first fire fight using the School's Solution. BE FLEXIBLE http://www.collarchat.com/post.asp?do=reply&q=1&messageID=1513252&toStyle=tm Other favorites of mine: Don't react to the enemy, make him react to you. - General Mao Tse-Tung The most dangerous guy on the battle field isn't the one with the biggest gun, it's the one with the biggest radio. - Sgt. Orange (that guy had to work hard to keep me out of trouble) Win if you can, loose if you must, but always cheat. - Jesse Ventura (former Navy SEAL) The object of war is not to die for your country, but make the other bastard die for his. - General Patton Ummm....I guess it IS possible to use too much explosives. - Mutt after shatterring a window at the base commander's office.

thornhappy -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 7:11:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 "the alleged offender is a national of the United States;" means the people WORKING at Gitmo, doing the torture. Not the prisoner. The prisoner isn't the "alleged offender" here, the prisoner is the VICTIM of the "alleged offender". < Message edited by farglebargle -- 1/2/2008 5:50:11 PM > Damn!!! I misread it, and posted in error. I like my crow roasted with Garlic. I have to eat seconds on this one, it wasn't even a small mistake.... How about plum sauce for the second serving? thornhappy

thornhappy -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 7:16:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Oh noze! You found me out! Some of my oh-so-top-secret history! Well, I might be, or I might like the author John Ringo. Or it might be both. Shhhhhhhhhhhh! I'm not telling. All righty, another John Ringo fan! thornhappy

Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 7:24:42 PM)
I really enjoyed the Council War Series, and his Honorverse short stories. When I saw the bonus question, all that went through my mind was the Blood Lords chant: Herzer: What's our motto, boys and girls? Class: No plan survives contact with the enemy! Herzer: And who are we? Class: THE ENEMY! Herzer: Dismissed.

Muttling -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 8:02:43 PM)
Bring it on.........I have three commands that come to mind..... First: Supressive FIRE (command to fire teams) Second : Fire for effect. (command to artillery) Third: God rest your souls. (command to enemy)

Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 8:10:58 PM)
Bring what on?

Muttling -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 8:21:36 PM)
hehe....An attack from the enemy. That quote you gave me is striking of something a commander would say in getting his forces ready to go on the offensive. It is not something that would be said to soldiers on the defensive as it runs up your troops' level of agression. Aggression IS a good thing, but not something that can be maintained.

Aylee -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 8:29:03 PM)
Oh! DUH! [sm=ofcourse.gif]

TankII7871 -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 8:30:27 PM)
Honor is not enforceable by law????? Seen it happen more than once in the Marines the charge was conduct unbecoming of a Marine. That is a legal charge brought against a Marine in a military court of law. I'm sure the other service's have a charge on the books just like that . Eric Semper fi

Muttling -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/3/2008 8:38:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TankII7871 Honor is not enforceable by law????? Seen it happen more than once in the Marines the charge was conduct unbecoming of a Marine. That is a legal charge brought against a Marine in a military court of law. I'm sure the other service's have a charge on the books just like that . Eric Semper fi With all due respect, read the last SEVERAL pages and understand what it was that the banned poster was claiming to be "Unbecoming". It's not even close to what you are thinking about. On an additional note, he is claiming that the oath of office for the president is criminally enforcable. When I noted that the president is not under UCMJ jurisdiction, he started this "well it's not a criminal issue" thing.

Sinergy -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/4/2008 2:14:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber (Who wants to be remembered in the history books as ones who sold America down the river?) Apparently the majority of voters in the Red states, and the Republican controlled Congress of the last six years, and the current White House Administration. I can probably come up with a few other examples. Sinergy edited to get rid of "most of"

Sinergy -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/4/2008 2:18:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling The constitution does NOT hold jurisdiction abroad. Otherwise, we would be charging people in foreign contries with violating the Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speach, etc. So technically, our indictments against people like Osama Bin Laden are meaningless and constitutionally invalid. I was wondering how long it would take the Bush Cheerleading Squad to make that point. Sinergy

farglebargle -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/4/2008 3:26:03 PM)
quote: The constitution does NOT hold jurisdiction abroad. Moreso, it would mean The President, Congress, and the Judiciary have NO AUTHORITY outside the US. At all. Period... As in even deploying troops would be Unconstitutional. And Muttling... Wouldn't VIOLATING YOUR OATH be "Conduct Unbecoming"?

Stephann -> RE: Can Bush do this? (1/4/2008 3:46:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: Muttling The constitution does NOT hold jurisdiction abroad. Otherwise, we would be charging people in foreign contries with violating the Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speach, etc. So technically, our indictments against people like Osama Bin Laden are meaningless and constitutionally invalid. I was wondering how long it would take the Bush Cheerleading Squad to make that point. Sinergy This isn't entirely accurate. Bin Laden isn't an army, he's a person. He could be charged in New York for the murders of those people; international extradition isn't too uncommon. Bin Lade's militia (Al Qaeda) on the other hand, easily falls under the 'foreign invader' definition in the constitution, and as such is exactly what the war powers outlined in Article I Section 8 were designed to address. Soldiers at war aren't and shouldn't be afforded speedy trials before they're shot in combat. Stephan

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