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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/3/2008 12:11:56 PM

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Chicago streets are tight. The police dont want petty paperwork. At times they dont even come for 911. Damaging someone elses property is wrong. HAd I caught him- I likley would have responded in kind. On the other hand- the one way streets are very frustrating. They are easily blocked.

The state out to put points on his license for road rage.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/3/2008 12:14:28 PM

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I'm not sure if I feel the outrage from this. The lawyer, it sounds like, was being a vindictive ass, but this just doesn't strike me as something worth worrying about.

Hopefully, the damages will be covered, along with compensation for those who had to go out of their way to deal with the issue, at the expense of the lawyer. Probably some sort of citation against him, too, for maliciously damaging private property or something of the sort.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/3/2008 12:15:55 PM

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On whose liscense? The marine or the lawyers? Unless there is a serious plot twist still to come, I hope the lawyer gets the year in jail, and has to actually go in for a few days.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/3/2008 12:43:30 PM

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Do DOD plates list the rank and service branch of the person they are issued to? I hope not.

I think Stephan's version is more likely than the notion that this guy was specifically targeting this Marine and intending his vandalism as a send off protest. He wasn't stalking this Sargent with intent, he sees a guy pull an illegal driving maneuver to get a coveted parking spot, sees the DOD plates and figures some army brass is throwing his weight around and gets pissed about it.

Keying someone's car as a response? Stupid! Trying to make it a political statement and play the victim? Stupider.

Calling for blanket parties, disfiguring and fatal beatings as a response to vandalism? Get real.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/3/2008 12:47:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

On whose liscense? The marine or the lawyers? Unless there is a serious plot twist still to come, I hope the lawyer gets the year in jail, and has to actually go in for a few days.

The lawyers license. Keying a car is petty in a city full of gangbangers

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/3/2008 12:57:18 PM

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"Marines might not be real bright, but they have long memories."
I would question your source of information in reference to the Marine Corps and Marines, intellect and intelligence is certainly not in short supply, neither is courage and valor.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/3/2008 3:08:49 PM

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Greetings all,

I have two items of note......

FIRST, to sum up a few answers that others have given to a often repeated question here..... Why is he getting advice to not pursue the felony or the money? It is simple, lawyer fees run $200 to $300 per hour plus the hourly rate for their legal assistants. It doesn't take long for that to go well over $2000. While legal fees are always asked for as part of a settlement, they aren't often awarded by the courts. (It does happen, but not a lot of the time.) After you win an award, you have to figure out how the heck you're going to collect if he refuses to pay (again, more legal fees as you have to go back to court several times to have any hope of making him pay and getting him to pay for those legal fees is yet another trip to court.) The guy is an attorney and he is well aware of how to drag this entire process out so it costs a LOT of money to recover what equates to 10 hours or less of lawyer time.

SECOND, I did post a bit of advice to that site. My suggestion is to find a fellow Marine who is now a civilian attorney. They are out there and I suspect it would be easy to come up with one who's willing to go after this maggot free of charge. Fight the punk on his own turf and make his life miserable. hehehe

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/3/2008 6:38:32 PM

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Uh.... I am lost. I have never really seen anti-semanticism before, is this an example of that?

You're fortunate. As a Jew, I have been subjected to it all too frequently. And demanding that all Jews give all nonJews blowjobs on demand is an example of that.

Since our destabiliazation of Iraq, Israel is now the only solidly nonfundamentalist nation in the MidEast. I say solidly because Turkey is battling religious fundamentalist takeover of it's government, and Egypt is edging closer in that direction.

It is for that, that the U.S. has close ties to Israel.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/3/2008 11:05:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Marsh

"Marines might not be real bright, but they have long memories."
I would question your source of information in reference to the Marine Corps and Marines, intellect and intelligence is certainly not in short supply, neither is courage and valor.

I didn't and wouldn't question the courage or valor of the Corps, but I've known plenty of Marines and, with a few notable exceptions, I'm standing right next to my statement that they are some of the DUMBEST productive members of society you are going to find.

The Marine who's car was vandalized is a good case in point. He is trying to follow the arrows in the system, when dealing with an expert in exploiting the system. Not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/3/2008 11:15:15 PM

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I did not serve in the Corps, but I have had a large number of Marines work for me. They are highly aggressive, get the job done people. They are also incredibly bright people. Don't confuse their aggression with stupidity. Give them an objective and get the hell out of their way.........just make sure you give them the RIGHT objective.

I've worked with outstanding EOD techs from all branches of the service (including Coast Guard), but my experience has been that the average Marine EOD techs will consistently exceed the average techs from every other branch of the service and that can't be done with stupidity.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 12:15:00 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marsh

"Marines might not be real bright, but they have long memories."
I would question your source of information in reference to the Marine Corps and Marines, intellect and intelligence is certainly not in short supply, neither is courage and valor.

I didn't and wouldn't question the courage or valor of the Corps, but I've known plenty of Marines and, with a few notable exceptions, I'm standing right next to my statement that they are some of the DUMBEST productive members of society you are going to find.

The Marine who's car was vandalized is a good case in point. He is trying to follow the arrows in the system, when dealing with an expert in exploiting the system. Not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

I resemble this comment!!!! :P
(Why do sailors get tattoos on their back? So the Marines have something to read....)

But in all, or at least partial seriousness, my father in-law is a Marine, and he is quite bright. My handsome hubby is in the US Army, and so is my step-dad, and both of them are bordering on genius (although you would never be able to tell from the way my husband types :P) ... and I can honestly tell you that while there are a handful of idiots in each and every branch of the military (mother in-law was in the Navy, and uncle in the Air Force, and a number of friends are scattered throughout each branch. so I have plenty of personal experience and also have it on good authority from plenty of people), that honestly the majority of them are average hard-working folks, with the handful of brilliant people at the other end of the spectrum. The military is really a fairly good representation of our population in general, at least in terms of intelligence. After all, while their standards may not be all that high, they do have standards, and they have quotas to meet for the various jobs that the military do. There aren't that many jobs that can be done by a complete moron.

Now one thing that most of them have in common are that they are crazy. Of course, wouldn't you have to be? I think so. My husband has to get up at five AM to make it to PT, where they usually run anywhere from two to six miles... and we live in Alaska, so we're talking an average of -5 to -15 in the winter. If they pull off the masks they wear over their faces too quickly after getting done with their run, their eyebrows, which are frozen to the mask, come off.... So since anyone who joins the Army, or even the Air Force, could be stationed here... yeah, you gotta be kinda nuts.

Anyway, it pisses me off that our justice system is such that someone might get away with taking out their frustrations with the war on someone who has nothing to do with what the politicians decide to do with our military. Trust me, most military and their families and friends would much prefer us out of Iraq... because that makes the job of our loved ones far safer. My husband is supposed to get deployed in September and I am terrified at the prospect of only having nine months left with him before he goes there. Even though I feel confident in his training, and I know he will most likely make it back, even if he does he will never be the same... this is the sacrafice that he was willing to make to be there when our country needs him...

I don't believe in this war, in fact I've been to DC to protest it.... but I will never be anything but proud of my husband, and I will never do anything other than fiercely support our troops, because they are the reason I can disagree with what our government is doing.

It makes me sick that someone, especially someone who is supposed to be well versed in ethics and law, could stoop so low.

As for this Marine.. just because the system is corrupt doesn't make him stupid. If anything, I see his actions as beyond honorable. Rather than acting on the same level as the moron who keyed his car, he did what was right... and even if he comes out on bottom in court because of it, I think he still comes out on top because he is most definitely the better person.

I don't see how he could come out on bottom legally though.

Our legal system makes provisions for people who have a valid reason for being absent... and I would say being deployed to Iraq would be a pretty valid reason. I am sure it can be proven that the attorney knew that the Marine was going to be deployed, but he still saw fit to ask for a continuance, knowing that after said continuance he would not be able to face his accuser... therefore he forfeited that right. Of course, I am not an attorney.. but I am relatively sure that would hold up.

Sorry to be so longwinded.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 12:32:52 AM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marsh

"Marines might not be real bright, but they have long memories."
I would question your source of information in reference to the Marine Corps and Marines, intellect and intelligence is certainly not in short supply, neither is courage and valor.

I didn't and wouldn't question the courage or valor of the Corps, but I've known plenty of Marines and, with a few notable exceptions, I'm standing right next to my statement that they are some of the DUMBEST productive members of society you are going to find.

The Marine who's car was vandalized is a good case in point. He is trying to follow the arrows in the system, when dealing with an expert in exploiting the system. Not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

Go ahead and stand by your sorry-ass statement WeirdRich..... I bet you don't know any Marines that have purchased a vastly over inflated home in the worst housing bubble this nation has ever seen. I sure don't.

As Paul Craig Roberts mentioned the other day..... '' You may think you’ve purchased a home, but once you've lost your equity because of a deflated market - You're just a renter ''

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 2:10:24 AM

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“ I didn't and wouldn't question the courage or valor of the Corps, but I've known plenty of Marines and, with a few notable exceptions, I'm standing right next to my statement that they are some of the DUMBEST productive members of society you are going to find.”
Standing right next to an erroneous and shortsighted statement, is not standing opposed. Standing opposed it the product of an honor code that unfolds in a very different manner. Nonetheless, say what you must, but be mindful of the very humbling awakening that awaits you.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 3:53:33 AM

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I've looked over things and see no evidence that the case had anything to do with the war, save the way the story was hyped in one of the more rightwing paranoid pseudo-news agencies.

I've written about the not-very-bright but oh-very-paranoid supporters of today's Republican Party and the issues that concern them. Look at all the current real events in the news ... and then imagine the type of people who find this tale to be so newsworthy.

My own understanding of surveys, even surveys taken by Bush's Pentagon, show about half the Marines in Iraq belong in a federal prison for violating federal law (I'll leave internatinal law aside.).

"Duty, Honor, Country" is little more than an advertising scam for a group of violent felons and others who routinely break their military oath in order to prattle about "Duty, Honor, Country."

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 3:59:48 AM

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Damaging someone's car because they are in the military? This is beyond expressing being upset with the war.

http://www.theodoresworld.net/archives/2007/12/lawyer_damages_marines_car_on.html

What kind of lame-ass numbnuts would do such a thing.....

If someone is a pacifist, fine. If someone opposes the war, fine.

But don't be a pussy.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 4:48:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

I've looked over things and see no evidence that the case had anything to do with the war, save the way the story was hyped in one of the more rightwing paranoid pseudo-news agencies.

Do you mean other than the lawyer admitting that he said anti-war and anti-military things to the marine?

quote:

I've written about the not-very-bright but oh-very-paranoid supporters of today's Republican Party and the issues that concern them. Look at all the current real events in the news ... and then imagine the type of people who find this tale to be so newsworthy.

What does politics have to do with this, other than some posters using it to slam each party? I posted it because of the treatment of military personel.

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My own understanding of surveys, even surveys taken by Bush's Pentagon, show about half the Marines in Iraq belong in a federal prison for violating federal law (I'll leave internatinal law aside.).

Oh, so it is the marines fault or just do, that someone maliciously damaged his car. Are you advocating this?

quote:

"Duty, Honor, Country" is little more than an advertising scam for a group of violent felons and others who routinely break their military oath in order to prattle about "Duty, Honor, Country."

Which surveys are you talking about? Do you actually know anyone in the marine corp? Seems you are one side of the extremist, and extremes are bad for everyone.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 7:04:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

I bet you don't know any Marines that have purchased a vastly over inflated home in the worst housing bubble this nation has ever seen. I sure don't.

- R

I know two who re-fied to an interest-only adjustable at the peak of the market, and blew their "equity" on fancy rides that get shitty mileage.

Now I know one who thinks remembering a retired nic is a display of brilliance.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 7:46:10 AM

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Big cities have assholes period. No one deserves a key job! I probablky would have keyed the return car. then we are even,

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 8:07:45 AM

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not to beat a dead horse but as someone who is a Marine,never once have i committed crimes against others,if some see mariens as doing that than take a look at what most service member go through,i cannot speak for others but personally i still have nightmares over things from Afghanistan that i would rather forget.

nor have i been racist or against anyone who might be of differnet religious choice than my own.i understand the struggles different people have,i was taught many things early on in my life such as being witness personally to someone's fight with the struggles in South Africa(was a student my family hosted).

like anyone else in the world Marines,Army,Navy,Air Force,Coast Guard,we all had jobs to do and for some prison did not get us into the military.for me it was not being able to afford college at the time and service was a better option than flipping burgers.if anything being a Marine taught me when to be strong and taught me how to survive,it is because of that training that i made it through being homeless and went through recovery.it kills me inside to see kids going over and doing these things. i know many military and non military who died over there and over here because of facist ideas and violence.

ask anyone who has been over there for 18 months or more if they want that.they don't.all they want is to come home.if stepping up and serving one's country is stupid than count me among them.so i'm a Devil Dog,that does not make anyone less intelligent than anyone else.

my Mistress makes more money teaching than i did as a Sgt. being able to own a home has nothing to do if you were in the service or not. and actually i visited my old recuiter last year,someone who was a felon and in prison had tried to get in the Corps,he had a rap sheet at least 25 pages long(i saw it) and guess what,i beleive there was another misconception,the Marines rejected him.Why because of his criminal record.it was years ago the Marines accepted felons and such.

anyway,i've said my peace.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 8:40:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marsh

"Marines might not be real bright, but they have long memories."
I would question your source of information in reference to the Marine Corps and Marines, intellect and intelligence is certainly not in short supply, neither is courage and valor.

I didn't and wouldn't question the courage or valor of the Corps, but I've known plenty of Marines and, with a few notable exceptions, I'm standing right next to my statement that they are some of the DUMBEST productive members of society you are going to find.

The Marine who's car was vandalized is a good case in point. He is trying to follow the arrows in the system, when dealing with an expert in exploiting the system. Not the brightest bulb in the chandelier.

I served four years in the Marines. I've worked with brilliant men, and I've worked with rocks.

This isn't a case of the Sergeant being stupid; it's a case of the man using the only legal recourse he has available to him, in the short time he has. A career military man spends a great deal of time on base. Considering the majority of career military men have spent more time following rules and regulations on base (where it's a good bet the lawyer in question would have been fined heavily), there usually isn't such a broad degree of civilian legal experience to draw from. When you're in a traffic accident on a military base, the military legal system applies (and odds are very good you hit someone who was also military.)

The sad part here, is the suggestion that the Sergeant should simply shell out the cash from his pocket and 'deal with it' especially in a city where gangbangers are more important. If the legal system isn't willing to respond to all felonies in a city, especially to the handful of people who legally have no choice where to live, why should anyone live there? Should this same situation happen again, the lack of action on the part of the legal system could easily result in said lawyer having broken kneecaps instead of a lawsuit.

But yeah, there's plenty of genius and idiocy in the Marines. This particular Marine wasn't stupid, he just followed the rules. Skills that make one a successful Marine don't always translate to success in the real world.

Stephan

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