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ORIGINAL: Petronius

Yes, the Chicago Tribune had a columnist -- not reporter -- comment on the story. To explain what the Marine said he quotes the Marine; to explain what the lawyer ostensibly said he also quotes the Marine. But then, to show he's "absent malice" for a libel suit, way down in the article is the statement that the lawyer deines keying the car.

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Some people have to have others to blame. Just like trying to paint all marines as felons. You can tell those people were not in the military, and have no clue the amount of rules and regulations that a serviceman lives with. It is ingrained in them to follow rules from a higher authority. It is easier for them to think that marines act like drunks on shore leave anytime they are off base. I grew up as a military brat, and the locals always had problems with the military. I went back and visited one of those towns recently, and it is almost a ghost town because the base was closed. Well those locals got their wish, and the old saying about being careful what you wish for comes to mind.

Live well,
Orion

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Hey Orion. I don't think that it fits his appearant - Let's blame the individual soldier for the world's ills agenda. What do you think?

You know, the rightwing bullshiters, when they get nailed, routinely present themselves as incredibly educated on the facts and present their critics as ignorant. It doesn't tend to ever get supported with facts or real analysis; it just gets repeated over and over and over again. I increasingly see the form as a modern varient of the Nazi's Big Lie technique. When they get nailed on the bullshit they regularly run for cover ... until it's time to repeat the same bullshit again.

My comments were based on the Pentagon's "Mental Health Advisory Team (MHAT) IV / Operation Iraqi Freedom 05-07 / Final Report 17 November 2006 / Office of the Surgeon / Multinational Force-Iraq and Office of the Surgeon General United States Army Medical Command."

The figures on Marine admissions are as follows. Given the fact that criminals tend to deny their crimes, the actual levels of Marine misconduct are almost certainly higher.

But in a survey by Bush's Pentagon of Bush's Iraqi Marines, reported by the Bush government:

60% of the Marines tolerate other Marines killing and injuring innocent non-combatants

65% of the Marines tolerate violations of the Rules of Engagement

65% of the Marines tolerate violations of General Orders

67% of the Marines tolerate stealing from non-combatants.

17% of the Marines believe that all non-combatants in Iraq should be treated as insurgents

12% of the Marines have deliberately engaged in the illegal damage or destruction of Iraqi property

7% of the Marines have engaged in illegal assaults of Iraqi civilians

Only 38% of the Marines believe non-combatants should be "treated with dignity and respect."

The troops in WW II died fighting a militant political ideology based on crimes against humanity. 44% of the Marines in Iraq line up with the Nazis on ethical questions like torture.

Which troops do you defend?

Meanwhile, let me repeat: Iraqi Marines. Criminals. No Duty. No Honor. No Country. Rightwing propaganda, hype, and bullshit to help criminals cover their asses.

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ORIGINAL: came4U

I'm surpised (since the rise of American/home soil terrorism risks) that the new Homeland Security systems in place even allow their troops to travel (on land) within the civilian population with obvious signs of their affiliation to any of the branches of service.

yet, I have seen a handful of marines break the DOD order to NOT even make a mad dash to pump gas etc with/in cammies.

Lejeune (Jacksonville) is the only place I have seen this occur. I have never seen it happen in Calif (Pend) or VA (Quantico).

Anyhoo, point is, although the buzz cut is a sure giveaway one is a marine, but other insigna just shouldn't be worn once off base.  This would include any personnel and DOD lisc. or vehicles. 

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

ok  so from what I can glean from your comments is the following:

1.   Since the highest percentage that you reported is 67% it must mean all marines.

2.  Since it was a marine that had his car keyed and followed the law, he deserved it.

3.  Because the lawyer is anti-war he is innocent.

Is that correct? 

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

ok  so from what I can glean from your comments is the following:

1.   Since the highest percentage that you reported is 67% it must mean all marines.

2.  Since it was a marine that had his car keyed and followed the law, he deserved it.

3.  Because the lawyer is anti-war he is innocent.

Is that correct? 

Tens of thousands of violent crimes by Marines in Iraq and the pro-Marine crowd tries to deflect attention and make their side the real victims because of one claim by one Marine that some bad guy scratched his car! And the bad dude denies it.

God how these people whine when their moral bankruptcy is revealed.

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaSunSwitch

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Some people have to have others to blame. Just like trying to paint all marines as felons. You can tell those people were not in the military, and have no clue the amount of rules and regulations that a serviceman lives with. It is ingrained in them to follow rules from a higher authority. It is easier for them to think that marines act like drunks on shore leave anytime they are off base. I grew up as a military brat, and the locals always had problems with the military. I went back and visited one of those towns recently, and it is almost a ghost town because the base was closed. Well those locals got their wish, and the old saying about being careful what you wish for comes to mind.

Live well,
Orion

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Hey Orion. I don't think that it fits his appearant - Let's blame the individual soldier for the world's ills agenda. What do you think?

You know, the rightwing bullshiters, when they get nailed, routinely present themselves as incredibly educated on the facts and present their critics as ignorant. It doesn't tend to ever get supported with facts or real analysis; it just gets repeated over and over and over again. I increasingly see the form as a modern varient of the Nazi's Big Lie technique. When they get nailed on the bullshit they regularly run for cover ... until it's time to repeat the same bullshit again.

My comments were based on the Pentagon's "Mental Health Advisory Team (MHAT) IV / Operation Iraqi Freedom 05-07 / Final Report 17 November 2006 / Office of the Surgeon / Multinational Force-Iraq and Office of the Surgeon General United States Army Medical Command."

The figures on Marine admissions are as follows. Given the fact that criminals tend to deny their crimes, the actual levels of Marine misconduct are almost certainly higher.

But in a survey by Bush's Pentagon of Bush's Iraqi Marines, reported by the Bush government:

60% of the Marines tolerate other Marines killing and injuring innocent non-combatants

65% of the Marines tolerate violations of the Rules of Engagement

65% of the Marines tolerate violations of General Orders

67% of the Marines tolerate stealing from non-combatants.

17% of the Marines believe that all non-combatants in Iraq should be treated as insurgents

12% of the Marines have deliberately engaged in the illegal damage or destruction of Iraqi property

7% of the Marines have engaged in illegal assaults of Iraqi civilians

Only 38% of the Marines believe non-combatants should be "treated with dignity and respect."

The troops in WW II died fighting a militant political ideology based on crimes against humanity. 44% of the Marines in Iraq line up with the Nazis on ethical questions like torture.

Which troops do you defend?

Meanwhile, let me repeat: Iraqi Marines. Criminals. No Duty. No Honor. No Country. Rightwing propaganda, hype, and bullshit to help criminals cover their asses.

Wow, big lie propaganda about big lie propaganda. How recursive. You should write national socialist computer code.

I love the marines, they swear an oath to the constitution, not just the President, and when some totalitarian socialist democrat asshole President, within my lifetime, orders them to shoot on a protesting crowd demanding their freedom back I suspect most will ignore the order and a minority will turn the guns on the asshole himself. Semper fidelis.

As far as I can tell, military personnel are the only group in this country left, as a whole, that take their oaths seriously.

There is a reason why there's widespread hatred of the military among the democrat leadership.

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

ok  so from what I can glean from your comments is the following:

1.   Since the highest percentage that you reported is 67% it must mean all marines.

2.  Since it was a marine that had his car keyed and followed the law, he deserved it.

3.  Because the lawyer is anti-war he is innocent.

Is that correct? 

Tens of thousands of violent crimes by Marines in Iraq and the pro-Marine crowd tries to deflect attention and make their side the real victims because of one claim by one Marine that some bad guy scratched his car! And the bad dude denies it.

God how these people whine when their moral bankruptcy is revealed.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

And what is your source of proof for saying "Tens of thousands of violent crimes by Marines in Iraq"?

I suppose you are part of the anti-military bunch eh?

You speak of moral bankruptcy, but with your position you uphold hypocrisy. which is as morally bankrupt as you can get.

Distraction? You mean that someone cannot discuss what they wish to? Controlling speech and what people discuss is pretty fascist, so that would mean you support fascism.

You refuse to answer direct questions, and then use red herring of "it is a ruse to distract us" or unsubstantiated bullshit to say all marines are criminals. There seems to be only one criminal in all of this, and it is the atty that keyed the marines car. Some of the unethical things would be the States Attorney trying to get the atty off with paying a $100 deductible. The borderline unethical things occurring, is your defamation of military personnel in blanket statements, and your hypocrisy.

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ORIGINAL: Petronius

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

ok  so from what I can glean from your comments is the following:

1.   Since the highest percentage that you reported is 67% it must mean all marines.

2.  Since it was a marine that had his car keyed and followed the law, he deserved it.

3.  Because the lawyer is anti-war he is innocent.

Is that correct? 

Tens of thousands of violent crimes by Marines in Iraq and the pro-Marine crowd tries to deflect attention and make their side the real victims because of one claim by one Marine that some bad guy scratched his car! And the bad dude denies it.

God how these people whine when their moral bankruptcy is revealed.