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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 9:09:41 AM   
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thank you Stephan,you said it better than i could



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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 6:20:55 PM   
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I know two who re-fied to an interest-only adjustable at the peak of the market, and blew their "equity" on fancy rides that get shitty mileage. 


You don't know shit - You're a liar.

You're the only dummy on this board that purchased a home in the worst market.....in the worst part of the bubble - And you'll eventually pay for it.



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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/4/2008 10:31:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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I know two who re-fied to an interest-only adjustable at the peak of the market, and blew their "equity" on fancy rides that get shitty mileage. 


You don't know shit - You're a liar.

You're the only dummy on this board that purchased a home in the worst market.....in the worst part of the bubble - And you'll eventually pay for it.



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     Get an answer you don't expect, resort to name calling and accusations...  There's some of that high intellect for you.

    I spent three years on a joint service base.  Assholes starting fights in the club?  Marines.  Guy who can't keep his hands off the barmaid?  Marine.  Idiot in a puddle of his own vomit?  Care to guess?  Yeah, I've known a few smart ones, even a couple of really smart ones, but the majority I've dealt with don't play chess very well, or bother with books that don't have pictures.

   Now when it comes to sleeping on rocks, killing people, and destroying things, I have nothing but respect and admiration.


     Add:  As for my home purchase, the bubble already popped around here.  Houses, unlike internet stocks, don't go to zero.  I bought well under peak value, and won't be looking to sell for 10-12 years.  That is about the cycle.  Location, location, location.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 12:10:43 AM   
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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 12:15:38 AM   
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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 12:39:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

      Do I need to explain how the little horse's move?  As usual?


Alright.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 12:44:17 AM   
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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 12:46:11 AM   
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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 12:49:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I see several issues here. 

1.  The anti-military issue.  Taking out your political issues on the individual soldier is a left over from the Viet Nam War.   The lawyer is 55, and probably learned the lesson of that time that war is the fault of the individual service member not the politicians that set the policy of war.

2.  Blame shifting.   Lets blame the service member.   After all, aren't all military felons?  that is what I perceived from some of the comments.   They don't deserve the life and liberties that everyone else has do they?   They just need to be in prison.

3.  Police inactivity.  The police appear not to want to do their jobs in protecting the rights of the citizens.  Their priority appears to be one of to bad for you I don't want to worry about your petty problem.   I have bigger fish to fry.   Just cause it is a crime doesn't mean I have to deal with it.    I wonder what the message is that they are sending to their citizens.

4.  The Legal System.   The military usually returns a solder to stand witness in felony cases (my personal experience).  The legal system is already overworked and it appears no one wants to do the paperwork involved.   Maybe the DA could pass it on to the Fed as a hate crime and they might want to prosecute.

5.  The ABA.  Lawyers don't usually like to go after other lawyers.  So discipline amonst themselves is often scanty.  Whether or not this is a felony is of no consequence apparently.

personally I would like to see my brothers and sisters of all the branches have a tree talk with this lawyer (introducing him to every tree in chicago nose first).   but I know that won't happen. and no I am not a former marine   I am former Army

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 4:12:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Well I see several issues here. 

1.  The anti-military issue.  Taking out your political issues on the individual soldier is a left over from the Viet Nam War.   The lawyer is 55, and probably learned the lesson of that time that war is the fault of the individual service member not the politicians that set the policy of war.

2.  Blame shifting.   Lets blame the service member.   After all, aren't all military felons?  that is what I perceived from some of the comments.   They don't deserve the life and liberties that everyone else has do they?   They just need to be in prison.

3.  Police inactivity.  The police appear not to want to do their jobs in protecting the rights of the citizens.  Their priority appears to be one of to bad for you I don't want to worry about your petty problem.   I have bigger fish to fry.   Just cause it is a crime doesn't mean I have to deal with it.    I wonder what the message is that they are sending to their citizens.

4.  The Legal System.   The military usually returns a solder to stand witness in felony cases (my personal experience).  The legal system is already overworked and it appears no one wants to do the paperwork involved.   Maybe the DA could pass it on to the Fed as a hate crime and they might want to prosecute.

5.  The ABA.  Lawyers don't usually like to go after other lawyers.  So discipline amonst themselves is often scanty.  Whether or not this is a felony is of no consequence apparently.

personally I would like to see my brothers and sisters of all the branches have a tree talk with this lawyer (introducing him to every tree in chicago nose first).   but I know that won't happen. and no I am not a former marine   I am former Army


How about:

6. Belief in the tooth fairy? As in: taking a claim in an incredibly rightwing web site as if it is all factual and then trying to figure out what was really going on.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 8:15:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Chicago paper picked up the story, and if you do some research, you will find excerpts from the police statement. None of it is fabricated, you just seem to be through a shroud over it, and advocating this type of behavior.

I ask you directly again, do you advocate this kind of behavior? If so, this is a felony you are advocating, does that bother you at all?


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ORIGINAL: Petronius

How about:

6. Belief in the tooth fairy? As in: taking a claim in an incredibly rightwing web site as if it is all factual and then trying to figure out what was really going on.



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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 10:45:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Orion.   I don't think that it fits his appearant - Let's blame the individual soldier for the world's ills agenda.   What do you think?

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 11:49:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some people have to have others to blame. Just like trying to paint all marines as felons. You can tell those people were not in the military, and have no clue the amount of rules and regulations that a serviceman lives with. It is ingrained in them to follow rules from a higher authority. It is easier for them to think that marines act like drunks on shore leave anytime they are off base. I grew up as a military brat, and the locals always had problems with the military. I went back and visited one of those towns recently, and it is almost a ghost town because the base was closed. Well those locals got their wish, and the old saying about being careful what you wish for comes to mind.

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Hey Orion.   I don't think that it fits his appearant - Let's blame the individual soldier for the world's ills agenda.   What do you think?


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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 12:11:35 PM   
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FR:

Chicago Trib picked up the story.


For Marine's sendoff, his car is keyed


Firm



I would expect to see more coverage of this..... hmmph.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 12:50:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't level.   Every time something happens to a service member making the news would take it over.   I am suprised it made the news at all.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 12:59:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		you should see jibjab what they call the news spot. it makes an interesting comment on things today..

hope i am allowed to say this if not sorry Moderator!

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 3:51:54 PM   
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The Chicago paper picked up the story, and if you do some research, you will find excerpts from the police statement. None of it is fabricated, you just seem to be through a shroud over it, and advocating this type of behavior.

I ask you directly again, do you advocate this kind of behavior? If so, this is a felony you are advocating, does that bother you at all?


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ORIGINAL: Petronius

How about:

6. Belief in the tooth fairy? As in: taking a claim in an incredibly rightwing web site as if it is all factual and then trying to figure out what was really going on.




Yes, the Chicago Tribune had a columnist -- not reporter -- comment on the story. To explain what the Marine said he quotes the Marine; to explain what the lawyer ostensibly said he also quotes the Marine. But then, to show he's "absent malice" for a libel suit, way down in the article is the statement that the lawyer deines keying the car.

There are some 300,000,000 people in the U.S. and cars get keyed. Antiwar cars get keyed by pro-war people; antiwar cars get keyed by antiwar people; pro-war cars get keyed by antiwar people; pro-war cars get keyed by pro-war people.

The folks pushing this story are not a group of kooks who devote their life to the horrors of keying, whether of left, right, or center.

One key story in a nation of 300,000,000 isn't news; it's rightwing bullshit designed to detract from the disasters of the Bush government.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 3:56:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Some people have to have others to blame. Just like trying to paint all marines as felons. You can tell those people were not in the military, and have no clue the amount of rules and regulations that a serviceman lives with. It is ingrained in them to follow rules from a higher authority. It is easier for them to think that marines act like drunks on shore leave anytime they are off base. I grew up as a military brat, and the locals always had problems with the military. I went back and visited one of those towns recently, and it is almost a ghost town because the base was closed. Well those locals got their wish, and the old saying about being careful what you wish for comes to mind.

Live well,
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Hey Orion.   I don't think that it fits his appearant - Let's blame the individual soldier for the world's ills agenda.   What do you think?



You know, the rightwing bullshiters, when they get nailed, routinely present themselves as incredibly educated on the facts and present their critics as ignorant. It doesn't tend to ever get supported with facts or real analysis; it just gets repeated over and over and over again. I increasingly see the form as a modern varient of the Nazi's Big Lie technique. When they get nailed on the bullshit they regularly run for cover ... until it's time to repeat the same bullshit again.

My comments were based on the Pentagon's "Mental Health Advisory Team (MHAT) IV / Operation Iraqi Freedom 05-07 / Final Report 17 November 2006 / Office of the Surgeon / Multinational Force-Iraq and Office of the Surgeon General United States Army Medical Command."

The figures on Marine admissions are as follows. Given the fact that criminals tend to deny their crimes, the actual levels of Marine misconduct are almost certainly higher.

But in a survey by Bush's Pentagon of Bush's Iraqi Marines, reported by the Bush government:

60% of the Marines tolerate other Marines killing and injuring innocent non-combatants

65% of the Marines tolerate violations of the Rules of Engagement

65% of the Marines tolerate violations of General Orders

67% of the Marines tolerate stealing from non-combatants.

17% of the Marines believe that all non-combatants in Iraq should be treated as insurgents

12% of the Marines have deliberately engaged in the illegal damage or destruction of Iraqi property

7% of the Marines have engaged in illegal assaults of Iraqi civilians

Only 38% of the Marines believe non-combatants should be "treated with dignity and respect."

The troops in WW II died fighting a militant political ideology based on crimes against humanity. 44% of the Marines in Iraq line up with the Nazis on ethical questions like torture.

Which troops do you defend?

Meanwhile, let me repeat: Iraqi Marines. Criminals. No Duty. No Honor. No Country. Rightwing propaganda, hype, and bullshit to help criminals cover their asses.

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 4:03:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok  so from what I can glean from your comments is the following:

1.   Since the highest percentage that you reported is 67% it must mean all marines.

2.  Since it was a marine that had his car keyed and followed the law, he deserved it.

3.  Because the lawyer is anti-war he is innocent.

Is that correct? 

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RE: Anti-Military Attorney Damages Marines Car - 1/5/2008 4:19:14 PM   
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i was checking to see what kind of coverage this story was getting on google-and sadly theres not a lot.....but i found this interesting.  i hope he (the marine) can do a video disposition and i really hope this lawyer is punished

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