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RE: What IS the Masters responsibilities - 10/8/2008 6:35:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Daes

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ORIGINAL: Rover

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To ensure the health and wellbeing of his slave, both physical and emotional and that her growth as an individual is encouraged and not hindered.


So to insure her health and wellbeing, should I give up my job so I can follow her around all day making sure nothing happens to her?  Must I lay awake at night to hover over her and make sure she isn't bitten by a snake or rabid bat?  Do I cover her head to toe in three layers of bubblewrap?  Do I become her food taster to make sure she isn't exposed to ecoli?
 
How can you insure anyone's health and wellbeing?
 
John


Oh please. I said Emotional & physical wellbeing, the physical being applied to during a session as in to hurt but Not damage.


Even limited to that context, you cannot insure that you will not come across an unexpected emotional landmine (they happen, and if it hasn't happened to you yet, it will).  Nor can you insure that your submissive/slave/bottom will not have a heart attack, or develop a thrombosis.  In short, you can't insure a darn thing beyond your intentions.
 
By the way... inferences of assured safety leave you vulnerable to civil liability should anything unexpected happen.  Not that the house and 401K are quite as valuable today as it used to be, but an expensive proposition all the same.
 
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RE: What IS the Masters responsibilities - 10/9/2008 9:05:47 AM   
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Apparently, I need to reclarify.

Accidents obviously happen but I wasn't exactly commenting on those things that Could happen

My statement was made in the context that the Dominant controls his/her actions, and those actions should be done with consideration to the submissive, taking into account whether or not it can Damage him/her emotionally or physically. , just saying you should watch what you do and be responsible for your property. Part of being Responsible for your property is making sure that You don't damage it.

Again, physical wellbeing - was talking about things you Could control through your own actions through a session. As I had already clarified in my last post which you quoted.  Ive made no statement or assumption for that matter, saying that you could prevent a heart attack or some other random incident.

I'm not so foolish as to believe I can miraculously prevent someone else's heartattack by simply being there. Unless I was Jesus.I could possibly prevent them from dying by calling 911, but that's the extent of one's power in such a  situation.

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RE: What IS the Masters responsibilities - 10/9/2008 11:31:10 AM   
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curious to hear from the Masters what they feel their responsibilities to their sub/slaves/play partners are?
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Master's Responsibilities, this Master anyway...

To have as much self discipline as they expect from their slave.

To be consistent.

To enforce the rules and implement discipline.

To be clear with expectations.

To communicate clearly to the understanding of the slave all decisions effecting the slave.

To live up to the commitment they made when they agreed to accept a slave.

To allow and encourage emotional, philosophical, and intellectual growth of their slave.

To admit to mistakes when they occur.

To laugh and have fun as much as possible.

To confirm and reinforce trust regularly.

To allow opportunity for regular dialog on any subject.

To insure the slave is confident in their position in life and in their position within the relationship.

To be as proud of the slave as she/he is proud of him/her.

To treat her/him as the most valuable possession he/she owns.


This is why I so enjoy reading your posts..both of yours.
You seem to walk your talk, have common sense and are shining examples for those who seem so confused about themselves.

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RE: What IS the Masters responsibilities - 10/9/2008 1:02:22 PM   
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I like Mercnbeth's list. It's a good starting point and then would then be adjusted to meet the individual relationships needs. How it is altered I think depends very much on the level of the relationship. A more casual relationship might not have the same level of responsibility for the master as a serious live-in relationship where the dynamic includes what would be closer to "total" control. Responsibility for the slaves health has been brought up. I would prefer to put that as a responsibility to ensure that health insurance coverage is provided. I have known many slaves who have avoided getting needed treatment because of the cost and therefore did not want to be considered a burdon. Insurance helps to avoids that situation. The higher the level of Domination and submission, the more dependant the slave is upon the master

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RE: What IS the Masters responsibilities - 10/9/2008 2:50:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Daes

My statement was made in the context that the Dominant controls his/her actions, and those actions should be done with consideration to the submissive, taking into account whether or not it can Damage him/her emotionally or physically. , just saying you should watch what you do and be responsible for your property.


But saying "be careful" just doesn't have the same impact as saying "insure their safety and wellbeing", does it?  But it's a lot more realistic.  And yet when it boils right down to it, all you can do is be careful and mitigate risk rather than eliminate it.

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Part of being Responsible for your property is making sure that You don't damage it.


Now that is a loaded and relative statement.  "Damage" by whose definition?  I would suggest that there should be agreement amongst the partners, but that does not mean that you might not consider what is done to be "damage". 

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Again, physical wellbeing - was talking about things you Could control through your own actions through a session. As I had already clarified in my last post which you quoted.  Ive made no statement or assumption for that matter, saying that you could prevent a heart attack or some other random incident.


Accidents still happen.  Have you ever wrapped a flogger?  Hurts like hell.  Sorry, it was an accident.  Have you ever engaged in an edgy take down scene that ended up with an injury?  Sorry, it was an accident.  Have you ever done a suspension and had your partner fall (number one reported BDSM injury)?  Sorry, didn't mean for that to happen.  Have you ever burned someone when the wax was too hot (I even saw this happen to a quality presenter at a workshop where the crock pot he had borrowed had different heat settings than the one he used at home)?  Ooops... sorry.
 
Point is, no matter how careful you are, no matter how experienced you are, accidents happen.  And that's why you have to prepare for them.  Because no one plans an accident.
 
And you cannot insure that accidents will not happen.  You can never eliminate the element of risk inherent to BDSM... just minimize it.
 
John


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RE: What IS the Masters responsibilities - 10/9/2008 3:06:44 PM   
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I'm not sure how things work there in England, but here in the US when given the choice between working and not working, folks tend to choose not working.  Not everyone, of course.  But folks work so they can retire and not work.  They go on unemployment so they don't have to work.  They mooch off others so they don't have to work.  In short... they work because they have to in order to live in the manner they desire.  They do not work for the love of work itself.
 


People don't love work here, but they do need a focus in their lives.

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And how is that working for you with the Islamic extremists in England?
 


I've no idea what you're hearing from the comfort of your press, but if you want to drop me a PM so as not to derail the thread, then I'll tell you what I'm seeing with my own eyes.

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ORIGINAL: Rover

Actually, historically there has been far greater stability under absolute monarchy, dictatorship, etc. 



The religious wars that tore Europe apart in the 15th and 16th centuries, make modern society look like a hippy commune.

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ORIGINAL: Rover

but enough so that I recognize the issue is far from settled.
 


I agree. 

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RE: What IS the Masters responsibilities - 10/20/2008 8:26:55 AM   
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Sorry to resurrect this, but it caught my attention ~~

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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ORIGINAL: Rover

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ORIGINAL: Daes

To ensure the health and wellbeing of his slave, both physical and emotional and that her growth as an individual is encouraged and not hindered.


So to insure her health and wellbeing, should I give up my job so I can follow her around all day making sure nothing happens to her?  Must I lay awake at night to hover over her and make sure she isn't bitten by a snake or rabid bat?  Do I cover her head to toe in three layers of bubblewrap?  Do I become her food taster to make sure she isn't exposed to ecoli?
 
How can you insure anyone's health and wellbeing?
 
John

You beat me to it. I am kind of curious as to that answer also.


Health and wellbeing is a personal issue, but can with the help of a dominant who cares about the health and well being of his/her submissive participate. 
In regards to health ~  how many times had we heard I stopped taking my pills because I "feel fine."  If I did this, I know I would not feel fine off Cymbolta, but just say perhaps I did do this.... my Sir knows my symptoms and would ask in regards to this medication.
He keeps me acountable for a walk every day.  Which is easily brushed off.

But far greater, I found this writing while browsing. 
It fits here:
10 Things We All Must Figure Out for Ourselves
1) Love – There is no official guide for falling in love, falling out of love, or dealing with the emotional intricacies of love. Love cannot be taught and it certainly cannot be forced. Love is an instinctual feeling, a powerful sentiment, one we will all find under different circumstances and must each figure out for ourselves.

2) Friendship – Some personalities simply click and others clash. Just like love, friendship is a natural process that cannot be forced. Other people can select our acquaintances for us, but over time we will find true friendship on our own. When the conversations are comfortable and relaxed and a mutual feeling of trust is apparent, true friendship has been found.

3) Loss – At some point each one of us will experience a loss in life. It could be the death of a loved one, the devastation of personal belongings, or a vicious rejection in our career. Each of us is going to naturally deal with loss in our own unique manner, some taking more time to reflect on it than others. While suggestions can be made, we must figure it out for ourselves, morn if necessary, and move on when we are ready.

4) The Short vs. Long Catch-22 – There is a paradox found in various situations where we must choose between short-term and long-term fulfillment. It governs the path we take concerning our aspirations, desires, and available opportunities. Things that seem positive in the short-term can turn sour in the long-term. Likewise, disciplined efforts to meet long-term objectives can lead to a more dull short-term existence. People can try to advise us in specific situations, but we must ultimately figure out how to manage this catch-22 for ourselves across the broad scope of our lives.

5) Self-Forgiveness – We all make mistakes. It is an inevitable element of being alive. Since we are undoubtedly our own toughest critic, we sometimes inflict unnecessary self-guilt on our conscious for certain actions we did or did not take. This typically hinders our productivity and happiness. Many self-help instructors attempt to teach self-forgiveness, but every circumstance and individual is slightly different than the next. Experience is the key. General experience in dealing with the process of trial and error across various life circumstances is really what increases our comfort level with making mistakes.

6) Life Balance – Living a healthy, rewarding life involves the simple art of balance. We must balance risk vs. reward, family and friends vs. career goals, quantity vs. quality… the list could continue indefinitely. Over time, and with enough experience, we will be able to evaluate any situation, decipher the boundary extremes and find a happy, healthy medium between these extremes.

7) Responsibility and Independence – Responsibility is not a quality instinctually instilled in all human beings. Some of us have to work really hard at leading a responsible life. The key is to realize that it is okay to assist someone, but the full burden of a responsibility should never be taken away from its owner. If it is, the owner will never learn, thus becoming forever dependant on others. Cause and effect is the ultimate guide to responsibility. “If I don’t get a job, I won’t have money to buy food.” Our success with responsibility will eventually lead to complete independence. 

8)  Character Identity – “Who am I?” We all have to figure this out for ourselves. Character identity is incredibly difficult to define. We all have ideas in our minds of who we are, who we want to become, or how we want to live. The single greatest gift a human being possesses is free will… our ability to think, make choices, and take action with the decisions we make. These decisions eventually mold the person we are, our character identity.

9) Betrayal – Dealing with betrayal usually sends a person on an emotional rollercoaster ride. There is no practical way of preparing for it because every act of betrayal contains a different set of variables. When it happens, we are usually left asking a series of questions. Why? Is there another side to the story? Can we work through this? These are questions only the people involved can answer and deal with.


10) Happiness and Success – As I stated in my last post, happiness is doing what you love, and success is excelling at doing what you love. Nobody else can tell us how to be happy or what to love. As we progress through life we uncover these mysteries on our own. Once we have happiness figured out we can map out a course for achieving our own personalized version of success.



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RE: What IS the Masters responsibilities - 10/20/2008 9:30:40 AM   
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no lists.....but my responsibilities grow when the relation grows...and that happens naturally.

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RE: What IS the Masters responsibilities - 10/20/2008 11:23:38 AM   
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    1.   To improve body and mind thru proper training.

   2.   Plan all aspects of training so no harm comes to the sub/slave by any accident.

   3.   To take control of the sub/slave during training so they may relax and enjoy it.

   4.  To really...Listen to any and all suggestions by the sub/slave.

   5.   To be there 24 hours when they are troubled by anything no matter how small.

  

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