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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/5/2008 11:27:05 PM   
ShaktiSama


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First off, I always have to laugh when someone decides for an entire group that something is degrading.  "This type of porn is degrading."


I'm a member of the group in question.  And I'm not the only member of the group in question who felt the same way--even in this single thread.

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Guess what?  I'm a Jew, and the only thing I find degrading is the fact that so many people stand up for shit I don't (and many other Jews) don't even want.


I'm a Jew too.  Lost 80% of my family tree in death camps in World War II.  Wanna know what else I don't find amusing as a kinky sex game?  People in Nazi uniforms.  Will I hunt down and hurt people who make Nazi porn, interfere with their business, or prevent anyone from buying their product?  No.  Will I say during a friendly internet discussion of the subject that I find their fantasies to be problematic, in light of the real world suffering that they invoke?  Yes.  It's my opinion, I'm entitled to state it, and to politely explain my reasons for holding it. 

Seems to me that there are a lot of people here who think they can tell other people what to think and what to say on a forum.  Funny--I'm not one of them. 

I make arguments or explain my reasons for thinking and feeling as I do, yes.  But I do not feel the need to bully people, call them names or accuse them of "kink fascism" if they see the world differently than I do.  I don't insist that every femme domme be a feminist in order to be "Twue", so perhaps you can all lay off the "Every Kink is Sacred" chant in return.  That gets a little tiresome too, even though the melody is catchy.

*exits thread humming*
"Every kink is sacred
Every kink is good...
Every kink is needed
In your neighborhood..." 

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 2:04:28 AM   
ElanSubdued


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ElanSubdued:
I think OWK is a pay site / resort designed to bilk middle aged, wealthy businessmen of their money.  Read through some of the judicial systems and taxes/fees they have.  (snip) It's just a fancy pro-domme site.  If that's what you're looking for, great, but if you want insight into BDSM and power exchange relationships (or even just a kink-friendly place to get away as a couple), I don't think this is the place.

MisPandora:
Men DO live in stables if they're not hosted by a Sublime Lady or a Guest Domina.  It's not some "couples resort".  It is a private specialty "club" if you will -- no different than say, the Hedonism resorts, to those who wish to run around naked on their holidays.  Accommodations include food, lodging and activities -- and yes, some of those activities might be pay for play domination services.


Read the dogma in OWK's pamphlets and declarations.  There aren't any activities that "might be pay for play domination services".  OKW is without a doubt a pay for play enterprise.  I have no problem with this other than the fact that OKW disguises their rules and fees as governmental and judicial decrees.  Perhaps this is part of their kink, but yowza, it sure ads a lot of subterfuge to the whole affair.  As for OKW being recognized as its own sovereign community/town/province/state/whatever, this is seemingly utter fantasy and it is this that I find particularly confusing and unethical.

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MisPandora:
It's awfully careless for us to go chucking rocks, living in the glass houses that we all live in within this lifestyle.


It's not careless to call a spade a spade.  I rather prefer clarity.

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MisPandora:
Regardless of what you feel about things like House of Gord and Rubber Dolls or Furry-Cons -- it doesn't make them any less legitimate than your kink.


I didn't say OKW's (or anyone else's) kinks are illegitimate.  Professionals (or amateurs for that matter) who disguise their businesses as something they are not, in my opinion, teeter on the dividing line that delineates ethical and unethical behavior.  Personally, I don't support this kind of marketing.

Elan.

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 5:07:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

Professionals (or amateurs for that matter) who disguise their businesses as something they are not, in my opinion, teeter on the dividing line that delineates ethical and unethical behavior.  Personally, I don't support this kind of marketing.

Elan.


..... and of course, you have sufficient awareness of the social and legal framework in the Czech Republic that you know for sure that the way they market the place is unwarranted?

In any case, how they market it is up to them I'd have thought? Their business will stand or fall on their marketing after all - how well they meet the requirements of the market etc. If pretending its a female run state works, then what's the problem exactly? That it isnt really a state but part of the sovereign Czech Republic?

Since the authorities of the Czech Republic dont seem to have a problem with it - and the place isnt in or near a large metropolitan area where attitudes might be more relaxed (its fairly near Jihlava), I'd guess they must be pretty legit and the "female run state" is merely a marketing ploy and they pay taxes to the Czech Republic.

The argument you provide is alike to saying that the film of Lord of the Rings is unethical because Middle Earth isnt a real place and the film is therefore produced and sold to dupe people out of money. Yet, in the woods not far from here today, there are people so caught up in that particular fantasy that they are dressed as orcs, elves and warriors playing LOTR.

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 5:43:21 AM   
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I was there quite a few years ago.I was there for more than a few days and got to know some of the staff fiarly well.That country was and is still in a period of transformation so jobs are not so easy to come by.The local people know it is there too but do not bother the place.It is in a farming community.The girls come from the bigger cities.
Make no mistake,it is a business!!It has been crafted with hint of  sly marketing.How ever you want to preceive it is entirely up to you.All I am saying is that it exists physically but it is the jewell in the crown,so to speak.The real power is in the merchandising and selling of books and online memberships.The girls often come and go and are paid to be there,just like the male Czech staff.They also do not speak English too well and are rather young.The "Queen" actually lives many hours away and only visits occasionally.The staff are really rather inept at the basics of living in a communal environment.The cleanliness in the kitchen or the common areas is quit appaling and dangerous.I never once seen a first aid kit anywhere there.There is no medical staff so if something happens..well lets just hope nothing serious has or does.They have guys out working in the open areas doing hard work in the heat with minimal supervision.There have been some overheating cases.
A lot of the many visiting mistresses are there for publicity and the ability to market a visit on a resume.Most of the times,there is basically nobody there.
If one was to attend,go to the yearly celebration or a movie shoot.

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 8:54:14 AM   
LadyKarin


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Status: offline 		OWK - believe me - has nothing to do with pornography.

Yes, of course, male phantasy if very much part of what happens there. But in the end - its Female phantasy as well.

The male creatures should get acquainted themselves with not beeing the ones, after who's preferences it runs. The Dommes, talking to each other in areas without access for males - opens even the "weakest" Female the self-confidence to walk her own ways.

Lady Karin

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 10:33:22 AM   
hardbodysub


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Status: offline 		Oh, sure. If it doesn't fit your definition of "real" female supremacy, then it has to be male supremacy. I guess there's nothing in between. And if a man finds it exciting, then it must be bad; must be male supremacist, no matter what it looks like on the surface.

It's all much todo about nothing. Making a mountain out of a molehill. Or [insert your own favorite analogy here].

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 12:44:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

In this particular case, the discussion is not about pornography generally.  It is about the cataclysmic irony of a certain type of pornography, which purports to be about the supremacy of women, but exists almost entirely as a fantasy for men--a fantasy which is actually rather insulting and demeaning to women, at the end of the day.


When I first read your posts on this thread, I thought you were taking the Femdom Disneyland much too seriously, but as I give the matter more consideration I’m beginning to understand your point.  I suppose that it must be annoying for a serious feminist or female supremacist to see a caricature based largely on male fantasies held up as an example of female empowerment. However, I think there is a somewhat more positive way of looking at it. It sounds like female guests of the OWK – someone please correct me if I’m wrong – really do have some power over the boys, even if it’s within a very limited, eroticised sphere. I understand that you’d rather have people working for eventual social change out here in the “real world”, but is it really such a bad thing for a woman to spend a few days exploring (and hopefully enjoying) erotic dominance? Or for a man to explore the experience of being erotically dominated? It may not shake the world on its foundations, but it seems harmless enough as long as everyone goes home satisfied.

I’m not entirely sure whether you’re objecting to the whole idea of disappearing into fantasyland for a little while, or only to the specific version of “female supremacy” that the OWK seems to be promoting. But if it’s the latter, I have a question for you (and anyone else who’s interested) that fits in with your point about women needing more of a “voice” in the adult industry. If you were to create your own Other World Queendom, ignoring the usual male fantasies and catering to women who wanted a brief taste of real power and entitlement (and, by implication, to men who wanted a taste of REAL subservience), what would it be like? I can understand your irritation with the OWK, but I’m wondering what – if anything – you’d want to put in its place.

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 2:45:50 PM   
ShaktiSama


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When I first read your posts on this thread, I thought you were taking the Femdom Disneyland much too seriously, but as I give the matter more consideration I’m beginning to understand your point.  I suppose that it must be annoying for a serious feminist or female supremacist to see a caricature based largely on male fantasies held up as an example of female empowerment.


That's pretty much the size of it.    But I do think that people are reading too much into my critique or analysis of the fantasy and its marketing.  OWK is mildly annoying, perhaps.  And an occasion for a few jokes on an Internet forum.  I'm not going to storm the gates with a flamethrower; I'm not even going to call people names, tell them to shut up, or refuse to acknowledge their feelings when they say "It's fun, don't be such a stiff." 

I've never said nor implied that people should not run a femme domme Disneyland and make a few dollars.  On the other hand, I am not obligated to pretend that I really, truly, deeply believe that the guy dressed in the Mickey suit is actually a giant mouse.

There's no Santa Claus either.  See?  Now I've ruined Christmas.  I suck.

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 8:16:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		A few good points brought up.

About you being a member of the group in question:  That still does not give you the power to decide what is degrading for the group.  You don't have to like it, and it may be degrading to you, but not to women.  Much like you would probably object if someone decided that the OWK was an honour to women.  It may affect an individual, but to decide something is a certain way for an entire group is the basis of stereotype.

About being Jewish and finding Nazi fetish amusing:  Seeing as much of our lifestyle revolves around role play, it's an interesting idea to find Nazi fetish bad but, to take a common example, dungeon fetish good.  How many people were tortured and killed in real middle age dungeons?  Jews, women who refused to marry the right guy, random peasants? 

To take a roleplay scenario, and decide to be offended (or not find amusing, in your words) by it, seems silly, considering that most of our lifestyle is based on doing what others have died to stop, except consensually.

I don't propose to tell you what you can and can't say; hell, I find you to be singularily intelligent.  I just don't agree with you, is all.

Yours,


benji

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 8:28:02 PM   
MisPandora


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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

I didn't say OKW's (or anyone else's) kinks are illegitimate.  Professionals (or amateurs for that matter) who disguise their businesses as something they are not, in my opinion, teeter on the dividing line that delineates ethical and unethical behavior.  Personally, I don't support this kind of marketing.

Elan.

I'm certain that if the clients who patronize OWK felt it was unethical or unwhatever you're all so worried about, we'd all know about it, and soon, the demand would disappear as would their little world.  But that hasn't happened.  That being said, you're not a client of prodoms, so I don't know what you're really bellyaching about.  Don't support that sort of marketing.  I'm confident it won't break their dominant little cold black Czech hearts!

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 8:42:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued
I didn't say OKW's (or anyone else's) kinks are illegitimate.  Professionals (or amateurs for that matter) who disguise their businesses as something they are not, in my opinion, teeter on the dividing line that delineates ethical and unethical behavior.  Personally, I don't support this kind of marketing.


I have never been to the OWK.  I have perused the site, and thought it was hot, and expensive, and probably not my cup of tea for so many reasons that I can never go to Darjeeling.

That having been said, false advertising is illegal, and rightly so.  What OWK does, however is not really false advertising.  Much like any cell phone plan, insurance policy, and bank account, you have random charges applied to random things, which all do not correspond to anything in particular.  At the end of the day, you can ballpark what you will get and what it will cost you, and then you either man up or don't. 

Their marketing panders to a certain clientele, and that clientele seemingly loves the marketing.  So if you have a few grand to spare, why the heck not?

Yours,


benji

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 9:37:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		It also seems like a sort of reverse catch-22 to me. While I am not into the scene at all, I thought the site was hot and filled with quite beautiful women in quite beautiful poses and various fetish garb. The thing is that to a man who wants to be completely dominated, enslaved, controlled, and yes, taken advantage of, I can see how taking a trip here and spending a ton of money on the visit would be a turn on. And not in the same sense that some vanilla guys use prostitutes either. In a sense, it is the very fact that this society, these women, and the entire structure of the grandoise resort is designed to take financial advantage of men and bilk them, is also a huge part of the turn on. While I know very little about the psychology of people who wish to really want to be "slaves", I can understand it from a pure fantasy perspective, and I think that the humiliation of being taken advantage of financially, is part of the allure of the place for the sub guys who find a nitch here.  

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/6/2008 11:13:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Yes, I go along with the idea that women should not have to dress in fetish gear to produce a hard on in males so that the males accord a raise in status for women.


You have always been good with the puns ;-)

I think it is fair to say women who dress up do so for themselves and for other women as much, if not more, as they do for men. I think men are being given too much credit if one says it is them and not other women who are more likely to notice details and form impressions about fashion sense:

Bob: Wow, Katrina, you look great!
Katrina: Thank you!
<Samantha walks up>
Samantha: Katrina! Darling! You look precious! Oh I love your purse! The color matches almost perfectly with your shoes. They're off only by a little.
Bob: <looks at purse, then shoes, then purse, then shoes and thinks to self> they are not the same color?
Katrina: <eyes narrow>: Thank you, darling. And I love your outfit just as much as I did when you wore it to Mary's party.

;-)

The OWK does not have a dress code that requires women to dress in fetish attire. I think women who choose to dress up do so because whatever energy they expend into dressing up serves their objectives, and their choice might be affected by what they perceive other women will be wearing. I think this idea applies to women's choice to dress as they do in general, not just at OWK. The type of attire is driven by the culture of the event or venue.

To me fetish attire is not critical to look attractive but I appreciate it as an act of participation. I see wearing fetish attire when attending a fetish event to be similar to wearing a costume when going to a halloween party--it represents participation and presence, and somehow adds to the energy of the party. That is to say, if I compare a fetish ball where attendees are dressed in fetish attire to another one where everyone is wearing jeans and t-shirt, there is something greater about the former. I see it similar to comparing two Halloween parties where one has most attendees in costume and the other with hardly any. What people are wearing at the event does not in itself make or break the event but I think it does have a role--it represents participation, energy, and excitement towards being at the event. One can still participate and be excited to be at an event--the attire is one positive indicator towards this information.

The attire at a fetish event does not have to be what is commonly worn as fetish attire--it is more the energy it conveys than what it is. Fetish attire is one way and the most common way to do so.

To me fetish attire has greater significance for attending events than for play. I do not expect a domme to dress up for play.

My two cents.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/7/2008 1:40:38 AM   
ShaktiSama


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ORIGINAL: BruisedHick
About being Jewish and finding Nazi fetish amusing:  Seeing as much of our lifestyle revolves around role play, it's an interesting idea to find Nazi fetish bad but, to take a common example, dungeon fetish good.


  Did I say the dungeon fetish was good?

Seriously, hon, I have all sorts of personal limitations.  For the right person, I do try to transcend those limitations in my personal life.  For example, I would be capable of going to OWK on vacation, being courteous to everyone present, and trying not to be a pain in the ass if I was there with a male partner who was really enjoying the fantasy.  I didn't ruin Christmas for the kids when they were little, and I wouldn't have ruined Disneyland for them if I'd ever taken them there.

On the other hand, if anyone dresses up in a Nazi uniform in a scene?  It ain't going to be me.  And it ain't going to be pretty.  I have no idea how much violence could be triggered if you put a whip in my hand and pointed me toward a guy in an SS uniform.  After seeing the number tattooed on a relative's arm, I've had some "issues".  I might be brave enough to try and work them out, though, if the guy looked enough like Julian Sand or a younger Rutger Hauer from about the Ladyhawke era.  

I'm not particularly turned on by Inquisitional scenes either, and I don't particularly want to re-enact what's happening at Guantanamo right now for a sexual kick.  Who knows, maybe these would work for me if they were "switch" fantasies as well, but my first gut reaction is more .

I realize that in the eyes of some people, I am too limited or PC or...insert pejorative of choice.  I guess if I turn the microscope on myself, I'd say that political BDSM roleplay is iffy-to-bad for me?  But still and all, these are just my personal thoughts and opinions.  Please, never think that I mistake them for a script that anyone else has to live by. 


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Catching up on replies. - 1/7/2008 3:20:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		LadyEllen:  I agree that how OKW chooses to market themselves is totally up to them.  Likewise, customers will make up their own minds based on this marketing.  OKW's marketing doesn't sit well with me so I choose not to endorse them.  In regard to Lord Of The Rings, I find the marketing of Middle Earth much more up front (and consequently ethical) than OKW.  For me, that's the difference between the two.

MisPandora:  I'm not bellyaching about the OKW.  If Sodsta hadn't started this thread, I wouldn't have given the OKW a moment's thought.

BruisedHick:  Regarding pseudo-hidden and add-on fees, some customers are okay with knowing only an approximation of the total fees they are going to pay.  For myself personally, I avoid companies that use billing schemes where it isn't clear what all the fees are up front.

Elan.

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/7/2008 3:31:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

I think it is fair to say women who dress up do so for themselves and for other women as much, if not more, as they do for men. I think men are being given too much credit if one says it is them and not other women who are more likely to notice details and form impressions about fashion sense:



Agreed.

Women shouldnt have to cater to male fantasies - but the problem is, that if women took to wearing old potato sacks tied with string from tomorrow on, it'd be about a week to a fortnight before such apparel became de rigeur in terms of fantasies.....

As for me, hardly a typical example I'll grant, I like the dressing up bit - it makes a nice change from jeans and t shirt, and gets me in a certain frame of mind..... and there is also the issue of course of competition!

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/7/2008 4:19:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama
On the other hand, if anyone dresses up in a Nazi uniform in a scene?  It ain't going to be me.  And it ain't going to be pretty.  I have no idea how much violence could be triggered if you put a whip in my hand and pointed me toward a guy in an SS uniform.  After seeing the number tattooed on a relative's arm, I've had some "issues".  I might be brave enough to try and work them out, though, if the guy looked enough like Julian Sand or a younger Rutger Hauer from about the Ladyhawke era.  



I dont think there is anything at all "wrong" with being put off by certain scenarios for whatever reason - and you have a very good reason to reject this one. I cant possibly understand the feeling you might have about it, but I might guess it could be alike to the feeling I had whilst watching two guys scening with a sub woman once - to me it looked awful and made me want to go over and kick seven shades out of them, but I had to remember it was a game, despite appearances.

Here's something to make me really popular - my friend and I each have German WWII uniforms. We got them so that we could go to a local WWII weekend on the steam railway here, and we've talked about whether we'd use them for scenes. I'd be OK with it, but within very narrow parameters - interrogating a "shot down pilot" would be OK for instance, but there is absolutely no way I'd do anything that fell outside the strictly military field, into the realms of the political/racist barbarities of the nazis. The military aspect I find OK, but the other is something I feel no interest in and feel revulsion for as a possible scenario for play when its based directly on the incredible suffering that went on.

Still, I've heard about people playing at nazis - and that there are Jewish men who specifically request it, just as there are Afro Caribbean men who like the idea of a white mistress in the setting of the slave trade. The human mind and sexuality is such a strange thing - maybe its the apparent factual basis for such scenarios which make them all the more appealing to their interest group? And maybe that same apparent factual basis is what makes OWK popular with some?

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/7/2008 5:22:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Still, I've heard about people playing at nazis - and that there are Jewish men who specifically request it, just as there are Afro Caribbean men who like the idea of a white mistress in the setting of the slave trade. The human mind and sexuality is such a strange thing - maybe its the apparent factual basis for such scenarios which make them all the more appealing to their interest group? And maybe that same apparent factual basis is what makes OWK popular with some?


I agree entirely.  I've always known that part of the power behind certain forms of "play" is the ability to deconstruct, re-enact or re-write scenes from history--or to explore larger dynamics within the culture.  This female supremacy fantasy could probably be analyzed along those lines, although I hate to do it...speculations of that kind seem a bit too invasive and personal?

I am only really fit to interpret my own thoughts and feelings, not say how/why something works for others.

As to the African slave issue?  Yes, I've personally been approached for raceplay before, although not for my Jewish heritage--the attraction was that I was a dominant white female.  The man was interested in our wonderful legacy of non-consensual slavery, here in the American South.  We didn't end up playing, but I wasn't unsympathetic. If we had done the scene, it would have been the one time in my life that I ever would have spoken certain words aloud.  And who knows, maybe that was why we didn't put it together--he knew I wouldn't really be sincerely considering him inferior due to race, that might have spoiled it. 

Still...you bring up a valuable point.  How can you blame anyone who has found a clever way to take a terrible thing and turn it into a good thing?  If you can drink turpentine and whizz champagne, why not?  That's pretty much what you're doing when you turn an atrocity into an orgasm...

Maybe I should just be envious that I'm not always able to do the trick myself.   

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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/7/2008 8:07:18 AM   
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So... The Other World Kingdom... what do you guys think?

My female friend is of the opinion that, despite being labelled a place of Female Supremacy, The Other World Kingdom seems much more catered to submissive men than it is to Dominant women. I thought that was an interesting way of looking at it. I was curious to know whether you agreed or not?





I would have to agree.  I mean, look at the thread we femdoms had about what "a submissive lapdance" would look like, or how we like submissive men to carry themselves.  What you see at OWK is pulled directly from femdom porn, written for men, by men. If you had a truly "female dominated" place, the women wouldn't be catering so much to what the submissive men want. 

I suppose a real OWK would be run by independently wealthy women with harems of hot men with oiled bodies running around giving foot massages, "lap dances" and providing entertainment.

Akasha




Or women that knew how to manage slaves that earned money. No reason they can't do it all.

OWK is a business. plain and simple. They produce videos, web site, etc and offer an experience for submissive men and dominant women.


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RE: The Other World Kingdom - Femdom State - 1/7/2008 8:22:00 AM   
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Or women that knew how to manage slaves that earned money. No reason they can't do it all.

OWK is a business. plain and simple. They produce videos, web site, etc and offer an experience for submissive men and dominant women.



But isn't it arguable that the experience is more geared toward submissive men, and really, honestly, is only barely geared toward dominant women?  How many threads have you seen femdoms start here, or anywhere, saying this is a "must visit" place?  My theory is that if it was geared toward dominant women, too, it would be different.  I wonder, even, if a place was truly geared toward dominant women, how many of the submissive audience you'd lose in the process.

The femdom market is under-served (if served at all) because the market is too small.  Look at how many femdoms go to m/m porn for their enjoyment.  Has anyone seen any femdom porn that honestly is produced by a woman, for women?

Still, I think the market may be larger, I think it's growing.  I've been talking to a couple of producers of m/m bondage porn (yes, I do have some other motives for that, heh), and I've been hearing that the number of *female* subscibers is quite high and surprising to them.  I suppose this shouldn't shock me, I am a member of a few bdsm sites that cater to gay men, and I buy m/m bdsm porn.  But there are more of us!  Now, that's quite interesting.  If women are going to m/m porn more and more, who is to say the market isn't ready for real femdom porn, honestly, truely produced for women?  This is honestly one of my "pet projects" for 2008, but will probably end up being 2009 or 2010 if I am lucky.  Because one has to be ready to lose their shorts on the investment.  I'm not prepared to build a business plan and determine the size of the market, rather, I want to just produce something at a loss and put it out there and see what happens.  Who knows, maybe we'll all be surprised.

My thought is that when all is said and done, true "femdom porn" will probably appeal *greatly* (more so than the femdom porn they are watching now) to about 10% of "male subs" and be "interesting, but not what they'd pay for" for the rest of the market, because it won't be what they are used to.  That's just my personal guess though.

Akasha


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