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TheHeretic -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 4:16:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

So the real reason for this thread is finally revealed.




       Oh, get over it, Ken.  I happen to think Barak's showing in Iowa dramatically increases his chances of the veep nomination, and maybe, the office.  The photo just illustrates that he can be a divisive figure for reasons other than his skin pigmentation.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 4:18:09 PM)

I think your own comment proves that we are not yet colorblind.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

     It would certainly be bad news for those of color who use rascism as a red herring on their own shitty behavior.




TheHeretic -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 4:25:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I think your own comment proves that we are not yet colorblind.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

    It would certainly be bad news for those of color who use rascism as a red herring on their own shitty behavior.




      Quite the opposite, LaM.  I want to achieve a perfectly colorblind society so assholes and lazy welfare wastoids who happen to be black, lose their "victim" card.

      Of course, I was raised to believe that rascism meant treating people differently because of skin color.  These days, it seems like not making special allowances for them is the measure of it.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 4:33:45 PM)

No, actually, talking about black people as though they were all "assholes and lazy welfare wastoids who happen to be black" is a good measure of racism.  Saying "I'm not a racist because I want all those lazy black assholes not to be able to excuse themselves on the grounds of their race" is itself racist.

Sorry to have to break it to ya.




TheHeretic -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 4:57:04 PM)

        You've still got it backwards, LaM, or you are trying to create a strawman rascist to play with.  I just have a personal, pet peeve about the entitlement mentality, and not being allowed to call a certain segment of the population on such crap, just because of their skin color.

       I have never suggested such things apply to all people of color, and frankly, I think suggesting I have is beneath your usual caliber of discourse.




Kaiynasha -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 4:58:20 PM)

Ah as you see the true meaning behind this posting is finally revealed. 

BTW African Americans only make 12% of the population in the United States therefore how can we be responsible for the problems of welfare?  In 2007 the Office of Family Assistance Reported that the United States makes up about 3 million individuals on welfare you can find that here: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/caseload/2007/tanf_recipients.htm.  And let's say hypothetically, every single African American (12%) is on welfare that means out of 3 million it would be about 300,000 plus. That means the 2.7 million of welfare recepients are NOT African Americans. Right?

And since I am African American and not on welfare and among so many others I know who are not either. That would make the numbers even less for African Americans. Thus...stop spreading racism. And start spreading facts.

MK




popeye1250 -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 5:06:43 PM)

I'd vote for Al Sharpton for president.




Kaiynasha -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 5:10:05 PM)

LOL popeye1250 hell NO!




popeye1250 -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 5:17:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kaiynasha

LOL popeye1250 hell NO!


Why not?
The Reverand Al would kick some ASS if he were in the W.H.!
He'd close that Mexican border, deport *all* illegal aliens, "And don't come back either M...r F.......rs!"
He'd throw out all the crooked, corrupt lobbyists on "K" street where the "real" money is; "And don't come back or we'll do a Drive -By on your asses!"
I mean Al Sharpton would get it DONE!




TheHeretic -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 5:49:50 PM)

     Here is a challenge for you Kaiynasha.  Get through this thread without mentioning you are African-American.  I'm pulling the race card out of your deck.
  
    I'm talking about the people who called the fine black mayor of my city an Uncle Tom, because he doesn't always side against "whitey," and has dared to suggest that people are responsible for the choices they make.

   The last thing Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson want is for people to be judged by the content of their character.  They'd be out of work.




Owner59 -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 6:11:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kaiynasha

Ah as you see the true meaning behind this posting is finally revealed. 

BTW African Americans only make 12% of the population in the United States therefore how can we be responsible for the problems of welfare?  In 2007 the Office of Family Assistance Reported that the United States makes up about 3 million individuals on welfare you can find that here: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/caseload/2007/tanf_recipients.htm.  And let's say hypothetically, every single African American (12%) is on welfare that means out of 3 million it would be about 300,000 plus. That means the 2.7 million of welfare recepients are NOT African Americans. Right?

And since I am African American and not on welfare and among so many others I know who are not either. That would make the numbers even less for African Americans. Thus...stop spreading racism. And start spreading facts.

MK


Yes,most poor people the the US are white.

The image of black welfare mothers,popping out more kids for more welfare money, was a horrible stereotype ,perpetrated by the right.

That story that Ronald Reagan told, about the welfare mother in "Chigago"(code for black)who would drive to the welfare office in a brand new Cadillac,to pick up her check,was complete bull shit and made-up.Though there was no such person,the bigoted image stuck,and complements the present racism.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0309.mendacity-index.html

Cadillac Queens.
Over a period of about five years, Reagan told the story of the "Chicago welfare queen" who had 80 names, 30 addresses, 12 Social Security cards, and collected benefits for "four nonexisting deceased husbands," bilking the government out of "over $150,000." The real welfare recipient to whom Reagan referred was actually convicted for using two different aliases to collect $8,000. Reagan continued to use his version of the story even after the press pointed out the actual facts of the case to him.

http://www.autolife.umd.umich.edu/Race/R_Casestudy/Oldsmobile_popCulture.htm
 
 
 
 
Myth: There are Welfare Queens driving Welfare Cadillacs.
Fact: Reagan made up this story.

Summary
Reagan's story of a Welfare Queen driving a Welfare Cadillac was apocryphal. Even so, there is no evidence that welfare cheating is a significant problem; besides, individual welfare payments are too small for recipients to live well.

Argument
Conservative politicians have a talent for telling memorable anecdotes that capture the essence of their beliefs on any particular issue. One of the most enduring of these came from Ronald Reagan on the subject of welfare. He cited a Chicago "Welfare Queen" who had ripped off $150,000 from the government, using 80 aliases, 30 addresses, a dozen social security cards, and four fictional dead husbands. The country was outraged; Reagan dutifully promised to roll back welfare; and ever since, the "Welfare Queen" driving her "Welfare Cadillac" has become permanently lodged in American political folklore.
Unfortunately, like most great conservative anecdotes, it wasn't really true. The media searched for this welfare cheat in the hopes of interviewing her, and discovered that she didn't even exist.
As a bit of class warfare, however, it was brilliant. It diverted public attention from insider traders in their limousines to Welfare Queens in their Cadillacs, even though the former were stealing thousands of times more from the American people than the latter. Just one example of the cost of white collar crime would become apparent a few years later, when President Bush bailed out the Savings & Loans industry with $500 billion of the taxpayer's money -- enough to fund 20 years of federal AFDC. "




TheHeretic -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 6:34:46 PM)

       Here.  Call him a rascist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peoffYMIqXg




Owner59 -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 6:38:40 PM)

No need b/c he`s not.

What`s your point?




TheHeretic -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 6:45:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
What`s your point?



      That trash comes in all colors, and that it seem rascist to me to give the trash of a particular color a pass on it.




popeye1250 -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 6:51:24 PM)

Yeah, no "Cadillac" queens anymore, up in Massachusetts they drive Mercedes Benz's.




Owner59 -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 6:52:38 PM)

Here ,is this guy a racist?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm6hlj-BV0s

Listen to the song he plays on his show,calling "Barack The Magic Negro"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0HCXpbxh9s&feature=related

This clip is just unbelievable,unless you heard Rush say it yourself.

With Limbaugh and people like him in the mainstream media,we will never be rid of this stupidity.




Owner59 -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 6:57:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59
What`s your point?



     That trash comes in all colors, and that it seem rascist to me to give the trash of a particular color a pass on it.


Who`s getting a pass?




Kaiynasha -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 6:58:51 PM)

popeye1250 I think Al Sharpton should stay exactly where he belongs.  LOL

Heretic: Is that all you can say to me? ROTFL.  OMG I think I may make you pass out with what I have to say next.....

African American, Afro American, Black American, Black, Black, Black, Black...

The blacker the berry the sweeter the juice.

Oh I forgot...I am African American!

MK





TheHeretic -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 7:01:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Here ,is this guy a racist?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm6hlj-BV0s





     Oh now that is great, O59 (and way to move back towards the OP too!).

      I've listened to/watched a number of Obama's speeches, but I had never heard him do the little Ebonics flourishes.  (And that's not a criticism, every politician tailors the speaking style to the audience.)




TheHeretic -> RE: Does Obama's win prove we are colorblind? (1/6/2008 7:02:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kaiynasha

.  OMG I think I may make you pass out with what I have to say next.....






     So much for the high road....




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