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RE: A Dominant's efforts during subspace - 1/7/2008 2:41:19 AM

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A skilled Top can control a submissive's space keep and keep them there for a prolonged period of time from minutes to multiple hours if they so desire by maintaining or applying different intensities. The submissive is often aware of little more than bits and pieces of what is occurring during this time. Sensations are warped and pain is often not processed as pain. Do you as a Dominant feel that your efforts during this time are somewhat of a waste because of the level of unawareness or inability to fully feel? Submissives, do you feel badly that you can't remember some parts of a scene afterward?

Not only is it not necessarily the skill of the Dominant, but also the ability of the submissive. Not all submissives even experience this kind of "flying" regardless of the skill or deep familiarity of the Dominant.

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RE: A Dominant's efforts during subspace - 1/7/2008 2:43:04 AM

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I don't think it's a waste of time or effort. I'm perfectly content if he doesn't remember everything. Since I'm doing what I want to do in the first place, him remembering doesn't really have a bearing on the situation. I get a huge kick out of the fact that the space was so good for him that he needs a bit of a reminder after it was over and tell him how much time has elapsed. Sometimes, My own space is so good that I need the same. I can get just as lost in the amount of time gone as he can. It's usually a good indicator that I was in just as good of space as the bottom was if I have to ask what time it is once I start getting My wits about Me again.

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RE: A Dominant's efforts during subspace - 1/7/2008 3:22:11 AM

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It's all about control for me and the knowledge that they are moved to another state of mind.

I derive pleasure from the act of taking someone to a different level of being and back. Knowing that she will loose some form of timeline and actions helps me confirm my abilities. For me it takes time and extreem effort, but the rewards of taking someone to that deep level is fantastic. I see subspace as the top form of control and domination over another. Something not done casually, especially with afterpaly an important part aswell.

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RE: A Dominant's efforts during subspace - 1/7/2008 3:56:44 AM

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I agree with the experienced players about how much fun it can be to get a sub to subspace, but it is not always my goal. Sure she is having a great time and is helpless to me, but sometimes I want a different awareness on her part because it is like I am a keeper of a helpless person during that time. What she says when spaced is always interesting and fun, but it is essentially meaningless. She once broke out singing a song she hadn’t heard since her childhood.

Keeping her there for hours is something I rarely do because part of the fun for me is watching the change in her demeanor and desires when she comes out of it. She is very sexual after spacing and obedient to all my desires. Of course, she loves subspace and I find it easiest to get her there by flogging, but I want other pain play at times. I may flog a bit to get her flying and then bring out the wicked cane which is going to cause a different kind of helplessness where she doesn’t know whether to ask for more, ask me to stop, cry or laugh. Often she does all that and I love it at times.

The question of tolerances is appropriate, too. I met her a few years ago on here and the first time I flogged her, she spaced easily because she hadn’t played in a long time, but her pain level has built with all types of play as her trust in me has grown although we often go long periods without seeing each other. It seems I have to flog longer with crescendo type techniques to get her there although it is not always a physical matter. At times it is creating the necessary mood. Interesting to hear everyone’s views, as always.

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RE: A Dominant's efforts during subspace - 1/7/2008 7:20:15 AM

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I'm not sure what can get me to "sub space" or how I would get there, but Daddy and I will have fun finding out I suspect.

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RE: A Dominant's efforts during subspace - 1/7/2008 7:46:48 AM

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Submissives, do you feel badly that you can't remember some parts of a scene afterward?

this slave isn't required by Master to remember or be able to accurately detail all scenes, especially incredibly intense trance provoking scenes, so therefore doesn't feel badly if she doesn't.

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Do you as a Dominant feel that your efforts during this time are somewhat of a waste because of the level of unawareness or inability to fully feel?

Master has never described any scene that involved trance-like states with His slave as a waste of His time.

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RE: A Dominant's efforts during subspace - 1/7/2008 8:21:37 AM

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Submissives, do you feel badly that you can't remember some parts of a scene afterward?

I drop into subspace quite easily.
I feel awkward when I'm meeting a new Dom and they always ask me to describe one of my best/ most intense scenes and I have to tell them that I can't. I don't recall any of it, just the sensation. They ask me to describe ANY scenes and the only ones that I can actually remember the actions of are bad scenes.
*sigh*
While it's a little frustrating to try to explain this to a new potential partner, I find it cool that I can fall into subspace that quick.

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RE: A Dominant's efforts during subspace - 1/7/2008 8:46:20 AM

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It is rare that he allows me to drop deep into subspace. Most often when we play he is interested in pain and when I am in subspace pain doesn't always register. He likes knowing that what he does causes us to feel pain (his perception that we are feeling pain), but he also wants to do it for a while so he will keep us on the edge.

For myself, what I most enjoy about playing are the interactions between us. In subspace, that either doesn't happen or I do not remember it. I have kept myself out of subspace just to be able to continue the interactions.

When he does allow me to go into subspace, I don't feel bad since that is what he wants from me. When I first started playing, I disliked not being able to remember what happened, but I slowly learned to accept that as just a part of the play.

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RE: A Dominant's efforts during subspace - 1/7/2008 9:23:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

A skilled Top can control a submissive's space keep and keep them there for a prolonged period of time from minutes to multiple hours if they so desire by maintaining or applying different intensities. The submissive is often aware of little more than bits and pieces of what is occurring during this time. Sensations are warped and pain is often not processed as pain.

Submissives, do you feel badly that you can't remember some parts of a scene afterward?

For me, subspace hasn't ended since i became the 24/7 property of my Master. That's not to say that i am in deep subspace all the time but, there is this lovely 'baseline' state of subspace that i have been in, as far as i can tell any way, ever since i moved-in with my Master and became His property. At least that's the way it feels to me, since i have a nice little 'buzz' and heightened sexual excitement going on inside of me all the time and He can take me deeper any time, with a simple pinch or tug of my hair or a look.

While there are times when my Master does take me into deep subspace and i do feel that time is suspended, along with my sense of what is and what isn't real, a feeling similar to being very high, and i'm not as cognizant of what's happening as i normally am, most of the time i'm in a state of subspace that isn't deep and i am fully aware of what's going on.

When He does take me into deep subspace and i lose my sense of awareness, it doesn't bother me because it's the experience that's important to me, not how i got there. i leave those details to my Master and i just enjoy the ride He takes me on.

Also, i don't know what a "skilled Top" is. Of the Dominant men i have been involved with over the years, i really couldn't say which was more "skilled" than the other. They were all different but, i have no idea who had more experience or how they got their experience or, even if i were their first BDSM partner (although, i doubt that.)

For me, it's not the how but the who. In other words, it's not what is done to me or the "skill" of the person doing it. What matters to me is whether i am turned-on by this person and feel a desire to be hurt by him or her. But, then again, for me, BDSM is about sex and intimacy. The most "skilled" Dominant in the world could work on me and, if i didn't feel something for him in the way of sexual attraction and a desire to be "his", it wouldn't matter what he did to me. It just wouldn't have the same positive effect that i get from a Dominant, who might be 'less skilled' who i have feelings for. In fact, it would likely have a very negative effect on me.

Since i don't scene, i may not even have any business answering this question. But, i do have a point of view on this topic and i wanted to share it. i guess if i am doing a 'scene' with my Master, then it has been an ongoing scene for 2 years with no end in sight.

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