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blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 8:08:16 PM   
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call me strange if you will but i enjoy blood.. for my own reasons ive been a "cutter" for many yrs and the pain that i enjoy during some scenes does result in blood at times... i for one enjoy needle play and knife play.. ive seen many profiles here where blood and the former are hard limits when they have no problem with other things i see as much more mentally damaging.. i know these things are all a matter of personal preference, im just curious as to why so many ppl have a hard limit against blood??????
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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 8:10:29 PM   
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Diseases is the first thing that comes to mind.

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 8:13:05 PM   
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diseases are easily tested for and prevented against with just a few measures.. and i dont mean necessarily swapping of blood .. just drawing of such

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 8:19:46 PM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_1248183/mpage_1/key_blood/tm.htm#1248183

You might find this thread useful. :)

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 8:20:56 PM   
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Limits on profiles tend to be kinky, easy, quick things that a lot of people might like to do in a scene, but for whatever reason, a particular person feels turned off by.

Blood play is intense- it's bodily fluids (always a powerful symbol), it requires damage to the body to release, and carries all sorts of things about a person with it.

For a lot of people it is about the disease- while yes, they can be tested for it, if you're going out to parties every month and open to playing with new people, that's generally not something you can do with a five minute take home kit yet.  So it's just easier to cross it off as a limit.

You can't read everything in profiles to be the be all and end all of what someone wants.  Profiles are a quick snapshot of what someone projects and focuses on in themselves. 

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 8:21:19 PM   
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Anytime you draw blood you are increasing the chance of leaving scars (even a single needle can leave a tiny scar). Now this is not to say that other non-blood activities cannot leave a scar or that the drawing of blood cannot be accomplished in a manner which will completely heal. Many people do not want their private activities to leave permanent marks (and of course others simply don't like the site of blood).

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 8:26:09 PM   
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Well, seeing as my Owner is DiurnalVampire...  I do a little bleeding every now and again.  I'm disease free and all, so she has absolutely no problem allowing me to be her donor, as it were.  I'm normally just touched very lightly with a scapel and then I bleed until it reaches a natural stop.  It's rather erotic, in a way that's quite a bit different from most other stuff we do.  There's D/s all around it, of course, but there's just something fascinating about the act itself.

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 8:29:45 PM   
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thanks so much for this.. its good to know im not alone and to get some info on how others see it

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 8:36:40 PM   
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Blood borne diseases can be tested for, but it's not something most people want to do all the time. In my experience, complete testing isn't cheap and, quite frankly, I hate having blood drawn to be tested. There is the risk of scarring, and anytime blood is drawn there is a risk of cutting yourself by accident and having the blood mix. For many people, the risk simply isn't worth the reward.

That said... many people do find cutting, needles and bloodplay sexy. I love when he draws my blood with a pair of sharp fangs we had made for him. I'd like to find someone I could try needleplay with. But it was a slow process to work up to him drinking my blood and I suspect it will be a slow process to get comfortable enough with someone to let them put needles in my body. So bloodplay is still a limit as far as most people are concerned.

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 8:42:33 PM   
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I am with you on the blood sports thing.. that being said I am VERY careful about RACK of (Risk Aware Consentual Kink) bllod sports.  I will not draw the blood of a stranger during play.  I need to know understand the person that has these desires.  No it is very arousing to see someone bleeding and knowing that what I have done to them has caused this state for them. 

We are so proud of our openess in our Kinks.... just because I like blood doesn`t mean that everyone else I play with does or those I have in my Leather Family do ... it is a personal fetish I share with few people.  What I question is if we are such accepting communities why is it that someone`s fetish is scary or dangerous????? Ummm just a note... everything we do or want to do is scary and or dangerous.... it all comew down to commmon sense
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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 9:30:36 PM   
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I know more than a few who just can't stand the site of blood. Not even on television.

During a blood donation rally, one guy watched several people give blood. However, he passed out after seeing his own blood comming out the IV tube.

Some people equate the site of blood as being gross.

As you've already read, many have there reasons as to not trust or participate in blood play and they are right.

On a last note, some are afraid of bleeding to death. Common knife and needle play generaly refer to cutting the surface only causing veins and capularies to bleed. However, there is always a fear of getting an artery cut.

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 9:42:36 PM   
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Bloodsynner, This is probably one of the more difficult things I've ever felt the need to post, but bloodplay has been a really difficult area for me. I've also been a cutter but my cutting came from a very unhealthy period in my life where my world seemed to be spinning out of control, and it was the one thing I felt I had power over. Feeling the pain of opening my skin and watching the blood flow was a confirmation that I was indeed alive and breathing and not as dead and empty as I felt on the inside. Cutting and blood is highly symbolic and  ritualistic to me, and any cutter knows that things like what you cut the skin with, where you cut on your body, patterns and numbers of cuts,  and how you handle the blood are all a part of the attraction and the rush of having control. This was one of the first things I ever had to give over to Master- my control over cutting. For this reason, he has tended to exercise caution when it comes to blood letting. Not that we've never indulged in any situations that caused bleeding, but he's always taken extra time and consideration to keeping that strictly in his hands and on his terms. I see it as part of the way he takes care not to let me slip back into unhealthy patterns. I will admit there are moments of great stress when the desire to cut is very strong, but letting him have the control over when and how that happens has been the best thing for me. Giving him that power has resulted in some amazing times, but with the outside control that I need to keep it in check.

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 9:45:49 PM   
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I certainly wouldnt do blood play.  Not with the heart condition that i have... lose too much of it and can lead to serious issues.  

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 9:49:45 PM   
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They play with a blood quite a bit in seattle. I've done needles, a little cutting. Tapping life force.

Nothing I have done left marks-it's a very delicate  sort of  thing. I learned by practicing my myself, and what mistakes I made were minor. It was on others that I learned areas of pleasure-and the ones that burned. Blood sport can awaken an interesting primal lust.

I guess one would have to be there to understand.

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/6/2008 11:34:21 PM   
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'Tisn't a hard limit for me. I enjoy bloodplay, though I have to be careful as when I'm in certain mindsets my reaction is to lick and I have to rein that in. However I enjoy cutting and being cut, scalpels, needles, piercing play, many things that cause blood to flow. I don't like drawing blood accidentally as that normally means giving away a toy that I'm not going to use on anyone else once it's been blooded. A bit pricy to do very often.

I do, however, understand that knives scare a lot of people, can trigger bad emotional reactions. Same with needles. And symbolically, staying "self contained" is very important for some people - breaking skin can symbolize a lot of things that might not be desired.

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/7/2008 12:07:09 AM   
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Blood gives me the creeps. The instinct to keep blood inside of the body's powerful in me. Needles and blood play are a powerful phobia.

Disease also comes to mind, but that's part of the instinct.. at least, for me.

Blood reminds me of all those times I've been in fights. If it's my blood, it means I've been pumbled. If it's their blood, it means I needed to come up with a damn good reason that it's on my fists. If it's on my knees, it means I went down on my bike while trying to do some trick. If it's on my fingers, it means I cut myself while making something again. (There's one cut I got from a simple pocket knife that still creeps me out like hell to think about.)

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/7/2008 5:18:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greylynn

Diseases is the first thing that comes to mind.

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/7/2008 5:27:56 AM   
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Being a "cutter" is something completely different than  the blood play aspects with needles ect. Ususally the term cutter refers to a person that cuts themselves for the endorphine rush so as NOT to feel the emotional pain of something. Which is of course a temporary fix to a bigger issue. For me, needle play ect doesn't float my boat but if it does yours then more power to you. If however your a "cutter " then a therapist might be in order.

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/7/2008 6:48:38 AM   
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I do blood play (Topping) with a very select few. They are what I call blood bottoms, I know them and know their medical history. I do this with needles and scalpels. (By the way, if you want to increase the blood flow give them aspirin prior to play) Both are new and disposable, I double glove as well.

I also bottom to blood, but in a different way. My two favorite things to bottom to are canes and whips. I have canes that are for my use only, and I will bottom to them until I bleed on  occasion. Whips, I would have my own cracker, it would be removed and given to me at the end of the scene. Again, there are a very few I will do this with.

It's like any other form of play, it's just what you are comfortable with...or not. It does require a bit more planning, care and caution than certain other forms of play.

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RE: blood as hard limit? - 1/7/2008 6:54:13 AM   
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Daddy and I have zero problems with blood play. In fact we like it.

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