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szobras -> RE: 90%??? (1/8/2008 8:08:40 PM)

Though I may resemble the Lorax in unshaven times, I cannot speak for the whole forest, only this one tree.
What is your basis of success or failure?
I will only say that after 12 years of marriage, my wife now is collared by me.
For us, the longevity, and what has brought us through all this time and to the place we are now has had absolutely nothing to do with any dynamic, or lifestyle choice and everything to do with her and I, the devotions we have, and who we have grown to become, individually and more important.... together.




domiguy -> RE: 90%??? (1/8/2008 8:19:50 PM)

The op is correct that 90% of all bdsm relationships fail....90% of those end due to the subs being force fed and dying from the ramifications of eating O.P.P.


Other people's poo.




alphaspack -> RE: 90%??? (1/8/2008 9:51:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: szobras

Though I may resemble the Lorax in unshaven times, I cannot speak for the whole forest, only this one tree.
What is your basis of success or failure?
I will only say that after 12 years of marriage, my wife now is collared by me.
For us, the longevity, and what has brought us through all this time and to the place we are now has had absolutely nothing to do with any dynamic, or lifestyle choice and everything to do with her and I, the devotions we have, and who we have grown to become, individually and more important.... together.



A bit OT, but I wish to congratulate you as I have just recently collared my wife as well! Good luck and best wishes!




Petronius -> RE: 90%??? (1/9/2008 4:57:32 AM)

I'm quite interested in the source of the "90%" also. I value statistical information that has some validity. I also know that the sex-negative crowd generates an enormous amount of bullshit.

But let's accept that 10% work. This actually seems high to me and indicates that bdsm relationships are deeper and last longer than others.

In other words, look at divorce rates. Then look at the number of partners people have in relationships that don't work. Taking these figures it seems to me that saying 10% of all efforts to form a relationship actually work is doing rather well in our culture.




alphaspack -> RE: 90%??? (1/9/2008 8:42:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Petronius

I'm quite interested in the source of the "90%" also. I value statistical information that has some validity. I also know that the sex-negative crowd generates an enormous amount of bullshit.

But let's accept that 10% work. This actually seems high to me and indicates that bdsm relationships are deeper and last longer than others.

In other words, look at divorce rates. Then look at the number of partners people have in relationships that don't work. Taking these figures it seems to me that saying 10% of all efforts to form a relationship actually work is doing rather well in our culture.



I've always held the view that a BDSM relationship requires more love/understanding than a vanilla relationship to last. Much more trust and understanding is involved due to the nature of BDSM. In vanilla relationships, you can really get away with much more and still stay 'happily together/married'




juliaoceania -> RE: 90%??? (1/10/2008 12:43:06 PM)

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All the while be prepared to offer and accept forgiveness when you each, inevitably, fuck up.


I think that this is a big one... if D/s relationships are failing more than others, perhaps it is sometimes hard to forgive a fuck up when your partner is supposed to be the perfect "submissive" or the perfect "dominant". One thing I have found in reading these here boards is that many people that do what we do are somewhat rigid... strict... firm... whatever you want to call it. The concerns I read are doms worried about being topped from the bottom, and subs complaining they aren't being dommed enough.

In vanilla relationships when one of the people hit a slump there is support for them.. other people around them can tell them "this is a temporary thing, maybe your wife doesn't want sex because there are babies... maybe your husband doesn't want sex because he is worried about money"... with D/s there just isn't that sort of understanding to each other from what I have read. Dominants that state if the sub has issues she can walk out, or the submissive who wants to be topped more than she wants a mature relationship based upon understanding another human being...

From what I have read there are many that would rather live a stereotyped characture of a relationship then have the real relationship. In real life, submissives often attempt to get their needs met in ways that piss their dominant off, their dominant is not always going to be physically or emotionally up to domming them... and if you stay together long enough, eventually one person is going to have some sort of issue, and if a relationship is so rigid that it doesn't allow room for those in it to grow, it isn't going to succeed.

I wrote a thread about change within a D/s relationship, and planning for the eventuality that people do change, their needs and desires change with them... and I asked how people plan for this within a D/s structure because I want our relationship to succeed.... mostly... like Noah said, you have to be willing to forgive, and that means not being so rigid... and for all the talk of trust, losing trust, never being able to regain trust... I believe that is just garbage... in a long enough time line, we all lose a little trust here and there, those without the ability to adapt and who are too rigid.. how can their relationships survive that?

To me, what we are to each other is more important than a stereotype role, the label doesn't describe what we are, we define it... and that might be why I think we have a good shot at making a go of it.. perhaps not all those relationships failed, perhaps they just changed.




Leatherist -> RE: 90%??? (1/10/2008 1:40:01 PM)

I reiterate. When one insists on living a fantasy as a top priority-one is bound to fail.




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