quote:

The key is to give the women the choice to submit in the manner they so choose, according to thier compatibility with the man they choose to submit to.

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shadowkeeper

I am not speaking about the last one hundred years or even the last 50 years. I am speaking about the last 30 years and up until today. The normal in the Western society is to have no independence on men. May it be emotional, financial or in any means. Perhaps that is more evident in industrial and capital cities.

Actually I think the "goal" whatever that is, at least in my part of the world was that each person in a relationship not be dependent on the other but that they work together to create a family, a household, and become better individuals.

Sometimes one person is better at leading over all, sometimes leadership changes depending on the subject or need, and sometimes people can find a close balance.

Life happens, people die or leave, each person has to be capable to live on her/his own.

quote:

ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

quote:

The key is to give the women the choice to submit in the manner they so choose, according to thier compatibility with the man they choose to submit to.

Interesting conclusion. They can submit any way they want to, but they must submit, and to a man. The choice you allow them isn't much of a choice, is it?

quote:

ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

quote:

The key is to give the women the choice to submit in the manner they so choose, according to thier compatibility with the man they choose to submit to.

Interesting conclusion. They can submit any way they want to, but they must submit, and to a man. The choice you allow them isn't much of a choice, is it?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shadowkeeper

quote:

ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

quote:

The key is to give the women the choice to submit in the manner they so choose, according to thier compatibility with the man they choose to submit to.

Interesting conclusion. They can submit any way they want to, but they must submit, and to a man. The choice you allow them isn't much of a choice, is it?

It is not a MUST. It is a NEED, built-in biological and psychological need. The male needs to dominate his female and his female needs to submit to him.

I really like this quote that AquaticSub has as a signature “Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different." - My Beloved (AKA Valyraen)”

Both roles are integral. However, both roles, but this post is specially about females, need to be allowed to flourish without force from cultural or social rules.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Sure Indira Gandhi needed to kneel and be flogged while heading India's government. So did Margaret Chase Smith during her many years in the U.S. Senate and during her run for the presidency.

Puh-lease!

There are some women who are submissive, there are some women who are dominant, and a majority of whom wish to be considered of equal importance.

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shadowkeeper

quote:

ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

quote:

The key is to give the women the choice to submit in the manner they so choose, according to thier compatibility with the man they choose to submit to.

Interesting conclusion. They can submit any way they want to, but they must submit, and to a man. The choice you allow them isn't much of a choice, is it?

It is not a MUST. It is a NEED, built-in biological and psychological need. The male needs to dominate his female and his female needs to submit to him.

I really like this quote that AquaticSub has as a signature “Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different." - My Beloved (AKA Valyraen)”

Both roles are integral. However, both roles, but this post is specially about females, need to be allowed to flourish without force from cultural or social rules.

If it is a need why would there be people who do not have said need?

If it's biology shouldn't it work for everyone in that biological group?

I think you are attempting to make human being less complex than we really are. That's a very common thing to do.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shadowkeeper

quote:

ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

quote:

The key is to give the women the choice to submit in the manner they so choose, according to thier compatibility with the man they choose to submit to.

Interesting conclusion. They can submit any way they want to, but they must submit, and to a man. The choice you allow them isn't much of a choice, is it?

It is not a MUST. It is a NEED, built-in biological and psychological need. The male needs to dominate his female and his female needs to submit to him.
 
I really like this quote that AquaticSub has as a signature “Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different." - My Beloved (AKA Valyraen)”

Both roles are integral. However, both roles, but this post is specially about females, need to be allowed to flourish without force from cultural or social rules.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shadowkeeper

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shadowkeeper

quote:

ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

quote:

The key is to give the women the choice to submit in the manner they so choose, according to thier compatibility with the man they choose to submit to.

Interesting conclusion. They can submit any way they want to, but they must submit, and to a man. The choice you allow them isn't much of a choice, is it?

It is not a MUST. It is a NEED, built-in biological and psychological need. The male needs to dominate his female and his female needs to submit to him.

I really like this quote that AquaticSub has as a signature “Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different." - My Beloved (AKA Valyraen)”

Both roles are integral. However, both roles, but this post is specially about females, need to be allowed to flourish without force from cultural or social rules.

If it is a need why would there be people who do not have said need?

If it's biology shouldn't it work for everyone in that biological group?

I think you are attempting to make human being less complex than we really are. That's a very common thing to do.

We all need to eat do we not? Some of us are allergic to peanuts though, others are vegetarian, some hate spaghetti, others love burgers. Point is, in our complexity we are simple and in our simplicity we are complex.

I am not trying to simplify human beings. I am speaking of what I personally deem the common ground of most, not all.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shadowkeeper

quote:

ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

quote:

The key is to give the women the choice to submit in the manner they so choose, according to thier compatibility with the man they choose to submit to.

Interesting conclusion. They can submit any way they want to, but they must submit, and to a man. The choice you allow them isn't much of a choice, is it?

It is not a MUST. It is a NEED, built-in biological and psychological need. The male needs to dominate his female and his female needs to submit to him.
 
I really like this quote that AquaticSub has as a signature “Without my dominance you cannot submit. Without your submission I cannot dominate. You are my equal in this, though our roles are different." - My Beloved (AKA Valyraen)”

Both roles are integral. However, both roles, but this post is specially about females, need to be allowed to flourish without force from cultural or social rules.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shadowkeeper


Apparently I am a young inexperienced and immature idiot. Yet it seems none of the post replies had any actual intellect behind them. WOW impressive, older and more experienced Dominants and submissives.
 
I grew up in the Middle East, traveled to a few places in Europe and lived in North America half my life. During that time, I observed, and dated women and girls of various ages and backgrounds. But especially the most exploring I did was during my 16th and 19th years. I am not going to elaborate on my personal experiences because this post was not intended to inflame, brag or insult anyone.
 
This post’s purpose was to have an intelligent conversation. But it seems I misplaced my post in a high school forum on myspace.com or perhaps it’s facebook.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shadowkeeper
By the age of 19 it was all clear to me. Women in general are submissive, yes. Regardless if a woman is a seven eleven cashier or the president of the USA. Women have the ability to lead if they need to on many fronts. However when it comes to a relationship, no matter how powerful a woman is, she needs a man who would allow her to feel her fragility as a woman. [/font][/size]