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takenbyjohnr07 -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 4:41:10 PM)

Yes, he is a fierce protector of me in any situation. He looks out for me in every aspect of our life. he would do this even if i wasn't his property. Which proudly i am.



AquaticSub -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 4:45:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rushemery

yes she jumped to conclusions, lol, but he also let her he just let her throw a fit. good movie isnt it


I love it - It's one of my favorite John Wayne movies.



kinkypuppy2 -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 4:52:33 PM)

The most valuable thing one can posssably own is another person  by their free giving of self.
That is more valuable then my life or anything I could ever own or hope to.




Lordandmaster -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 4:52:50 PM)

What's he supposed to do--find the guy and shoot him?  If you're dealing with someone reckless enough to engage in criminal harassment, you have to call in the professionals.  That's not a do-it-yourself job.

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ORIGINAL: sammiebabygirl

I am asking this question after reading Prinsexx's post on blackmail. She is being blackmailed and harassed to the point of it being criminal, by a man claiming to be a Dom.
I asked her what her Master is doing to protect her and she responded, basically, that he has been a wonderful sounding board.
 
In my opinion, if one takes on the life of another as property, they should take on a very aggressive role in the protection of said property.
 
Thoughts?



Rushemery -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 4:59:14 PM)

your probably right but I would have had a chat on the phone with him and if that didnt work it would depend on how he reacted to the phone call, people behind a screen or on a phone are very brave, even outing her to her work I dont think he had to face anyone in person



SirJohnMandevill -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 5:26:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sammiebabygirl

I am asking this question after reading Prinsexx's post on blackmail. She is being blackmailed and harassed to the point of it being criminal, by a man claiming to be a Dom.
I asked her what her Master is doing to protect her and she responded, basically, that he has been a wonderful sounding board.
 
In my opinion, if one takes on the life of another as property, they should take on a very aggressive role in the protection of said property.
 
Thoughts?
 
jen


No question! I don't know that I'd consider a submissive my "property" per se, but if we were in a 24/7 D/s relationship, I'd crash the gates of Hell to protect her from any harm. It's part of the job description for "Dom" as far as I'm concerned.

Les (Purveyor of Fine, handcrafted Kink)




hejira92 -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 5:38:03 PM)

Master is very protective of me- both physically and emotionally. He takes care of His toys.
 
I had a situation that was approaching cyber and RT stalking by a sub-male I had befriended prior to meeting Master. The situation had been stable, so I hadn't done anything about it, but when the guy started ramping up, Master stepped in and had some words with him. It has resolved.
 
Another example of His protectiveness is one that goes so far as to make me uncomfortable- He carries whenever we go out at night. I just was not raised to be comfortable around guns. But I have accepted this and try to repress my shudders whenever I hear the sounds of Him loading and preparing it (or whatever He does that makes that sound before He puts it on).
 



Missokyst -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 5:38:14 PM)

The best thing anyone can be taught is to depend on onesself.  Sure it is nice to have someone in your court, a knight that might fight off dragons for you if necessary.  But, nothing is more valuable than learning that you need to depend on you.  You need to find what it takes inside yourself to fight your own battles.  Having someone there as a sounding board is just as wonderful as having someone offer to punch the bad guys flat.  It is very empowering to take control of your own demons and triumph over them.  It is a grown up thing to do.
Kyst



hisannabelle -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 5:40:15 PM)

greetings jen,

he does take responsibility for my welfare, in terms of making sure that i have all that i need, and i am sure that if i needed legal assistance or physical protection he would do all that he could to protect me. however, if i'm having problems at school, work, with my family, etc. or if i'm being harassed (up to the point where there's a chance of physical damage or criminal action) generally i am expected to take care of myself. he also sometimes ignores or overwhelms my physical, emotional, or psychological limitations himself.

respectfully,
annabelle.



hejira92 -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 5:47:11 PM)

Please don't misunderstand- I am an adult and handle my life quite well. But as you said- Having that white knight is wonderful. When I had to take my three kids up north for their Father's funeral in May, Master knew I could handle it and protect my kids in "hostile" territory. But He still flew up with us just to make sure no-one hurt ME during this emotional time.
 
His protection doesn't negate my position as a mature woman or lessen my ability to function independently, it just gives me another layer of armor against a sometimes nasty world. And the knowledge of that emotional safety He gives me is priceless.



Gwynvyd -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 6:05:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sammiebabygirl

I am asking this question after reading Prinsexx's post on blackmail. She is being blackmailed and harassed to the point of it being criminal, by a man claiming to be a Dom.
I asked her what her Master is doing to protect her and she responded, basically, that he has been a wonderful sounding board.
 
In my opinion, if one takes on the life of another as property, they should take on a very aggressive role in the protection of said property.
 
Thoughts?
 
jen


Personaly I am very protective. Hell I am protective over my friends.. little alone those who actualy belong to me.

Prinsexx is a dear friend of mine, and has been for a while. We talked about her situation off board. She knows how protective I am of her. *smiles*

People can call me mean nasty names, screw with me and hurt me.. what ever. You screw with my friends and my loves.. and I am coming for you.. and I am bringing hell with me.

It is just how I am.

Mind you I will listen to both sides, weight things out in a situation.. and determine if I need to step in at all. If me stepping in will do more harm, I will just give advice. If I can in any way help, I am on it.

People in my circle of friends know who belong to me.. and if someone messes with my submissives that a reckoning will be forthwith.

It just goes with my code of honor. I am a leader, and a protector as a Domme. If I see any one being taken advantage of, hurt against thier wishes, or used I am that voice of reason, and the one to stand up and ask if there is a problem.

Personaly I do not understand how anyone could not do that for others... but that is just me.

Gwyn



kc692 -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 6:09:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sammiebabygirl

I am asking this question after reading Prinsexx's post on blackmail. She is being blackmailed and harassed to the point of it being criminal, by a man claiming to be a Dom.
I asked her what her Master is doing to protect her and she responded, basically, that he has been a wonderful sounding board.
 
In my opinion, if one takes on the life of another as property, they should take on a very aggressive role in the protection of said property.
 
Thoughts?
 
jen

I only read parts of the thread, and from what I saw unless I was confused, it seems that she met this Dom and was sounding like there might be play involved in the future.  I also agree with the others that whatever is agreed upon by both parties is what the level of protection should be. It seems though that Prinsexx(correct me if I'm wrong here please) has the option of meeting and playing with other doms and seems that is possible without any involvement of MP.  If he is not involved from inception of talks, any "possible damage" is done before he has a chance to actually do any protecting, and is involved "after the fact".  As such, I would think all he could do at this point is BE a sounding board.

I protect mine as much as need to be protected.  If they are mine, they would not be communicating with this person and giving out personal info as was done in the case brought up. It would be a much safer type of communication (no names, details, etc, phone numbers, addresses, etc)  transpiring at that point in time. I also have some submissives that are not mine, rl, but I am their safe call and know what is going on and who they are talking about meeting with, etc. as safety and sounding board.  As such, when I have an opinion of something "not being right" with the situation or the way it's developing, they either take my words to heart, and if they don't(which is obviously their choice) they take the fallout whatever it may be.  They do not take the fallout, as they have always(up to now) listened to my "intuition" (after all, it is why they asked me to be involved in the first place). 

It is a terrible thing that has happened to be sure, but hopefully, it is salvageable on Prinsexx's part, and lessons for a lot of people on the site that are too trusting were learned. 

Hopefully, at least, karma will be a bitch and bite him dead on the ass.



sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 6:20:38 PM)

I think it depends on the situation. I can and am allowed to  handle alot of things on my own. On the other hand I was harassed by someone here and I told Master and that was that. If it is something simple he doesn't need to come to my rescue all the time. If it is something serious then of course he is going to protect and take care of it.

He knows about everything of course whether it be a big or little thing. He gives advice but I know he will protect me . Every situation that might arise is looked at and analyzed and then we talk about it. I trust his judgment and when he says "I will handle it" , that is that.



Rover -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 7:55:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Those that scoff at the use of safewords should cough up a hairball over the issue of a Dominant offering complete protection like some kind of force shield. 

Why is that John? If she HAD a safe-word that would have protected her from blackmail?


No, Merc.  Because during the safeword discussion you expressed an established principle that those things which cannot guarantee prevention (and let's face it, no Dominant can do so) are worthless and even dangerous because they give the misperception of such a guarantee.
 
Perhaps it was not so much a principled answer as a convenient one, given that you are now stating that a Dominant is responsible for the welfare of their property...

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Completely and without qualification


And yet no Master can offer a genuine guarantee to prevent any harm, any more than a safeword can guarantee the prevention of harm.
 
John



AtlantisKing111 -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 8:40:05 PM)

Masters are responsible for the welfare of their property only insofar as one person can be responsible for another.  Accidents do happen, and even a Master is helpless to prevent them.  Fault for car crashes, muggings, etc. cannot be laid at the feet of a Master. 

Then too, a willful slave can disobey (intentionally or not) and cause things to happen to harm them.  So while a Master is responsible for a lot, they are not responsible for all.  A well intentioned Master can and should try all he can to take care of a slave but a slave can be willful and do things that prevent the Master from taking care of them.

Having said that, the original question of blackmail needs to be addressed in a strong way.  I'd suggest them contacting lifestyle people who are in law enforcement and/or law fields to find out what can and should be done. 

I was in a situation not long ago when the possibility of me being outed by a vanilla acquaintence was a serious concern of mine.  I deleted the photos on my profile and laid low for a few months.  Eventually when no threat appeared I started coming back.

If not other evidence exists, it can be made to come down to "his word versus her word" regarding her being in the lifestyle and the potential blackmailer will be thwarted.  If he possesses evidence that cannot be eliminated then it's authenticity can be denied (except in a court of law).



TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 9:20:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

What's he supposed to do--find the guy and shoot him?  If you're dealing with someone reckless enough to engage in criminal harassment, you have to call in the professionals.  That's not a do-it-yourself job.

quote:

ORIGINAL: sammiebabygirl

I am asking this question after reading Prinsexx's post on blackmail. She is being blackmailed and harassed to the point of it being criminal, by a man claiming to be a Dom.
I asked her what her Master is doing to protect her and she responded, basically, that he has been a wonderful sounding board.
 
In my opinion, if one takes on the life of another as property, they should take on a very aggressive role in the protection of said property.
 
Thoughts?

I agree here..what could a Dominant do in the case of Prin except be there to lend support, advice ,and let the pros do the thing they have been hired to do??..I think protection, and the form it takes,needs to be addressed on a case by case or incident by incident basis....lifes little realities is the key here.....one must throw out the Knight in shining armor, who draws out his sword to protect the damsel in distress...and it is farcial(sp) to expect such..Tempting



LadyHugs -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 9:39:17 PM)

Dear sammiebabygirl, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Ideal situations in a Master-slave relationship, the Master will/can/shall/would/may be responsible for the welfare of their property, e.g. slave, etc.
 
However, nobody can protect others from/of life.
 
As much as a Master would be willing to put themselves in harms way and or take an aggressive stance--the question must be asked--how far will/can I go without becoming pulled into a void of drama and into criminal actions which won't be justified and or could end my life.  Who protects the slave then, when in jail, injured beyond function and or dead?
 
Let professionals handle the harassments and or criminal conduct, such as blackmail and or threats.  Changing phone numbers can assist, go unlisted, notify phone company of harassment via phone and or computer, which may fall under FCC (Federal Communication Commission) and or like authority in other countries, if that is the case.
 
Blackmail works on fear.  Fear is a power. Power is control.  Take away the power and the blackmail goes flat.
 
In any case--there will be more sides to the story.  However, the point is--even Masters have limits on their power, ability and authority.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 9:54:47 PM)

I prefer it when everyone helps protect everyone.



juliaoceania -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 9:55:20 PM)

I was stalked online when I was involved with my first dominant by a former vanilla boyfriend. It was very fucked up. My former dominant would get all worked up and worried about the situation. At one point he refused to talk to me for three weeks because I refused to comply with an order to go to the police with what was happening. I had called the police to ask what I should do, but they told me there was nothing I could do about it (and there wasn't at the time, the laws have changed a lot since then). He wanted to do something about it, but he was as helpless in the situation as I was because this guy knew exactly what he could and couldn't get away with... and he was extremely computer knowledgeable.

Fast forward, yes my Daddy is protective of me. His approach is to coach me in how to protect myself so that I do not live in fear, but instead live with self awareness and awareness of others around me. First step to being safe is being able to assess what your risks are and to minimize them... the second step is being prepared to know how to deal with the unexpected.

I prefer my Daddy's way of protecting me, because he does not have to be physically with me to protect me, he is teaching me to be safe when I am alone... my former dominant just freaked out and got enraged at the entire situation which was not helpful to me. I would say that my Daddy would attempt to help me stay safe if I was stalked again, in a direct way I can imagine... but not out of a place of being enraged, but a place of getting the person to go away.



darkpassenger434 -> RE: Are Masters Responsible for the Welfare of Their Property? (1/10/2008 10:34:04 PM)

Yes, I would consider protection as part of my role. That seems intuitive. Things would be different in a D/s dynamic depending on how serious things were, but definetly in M/s.
-R



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