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Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 5:51:11 AM   
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OK, bear with me while I try to give this example without getting all mixed up about it. Here is the story:
 
A man and a woman meet at work and begin a friendship. The man is a submissive, but because of his work he keeps that information to himself and he is extremely private about it. He acts in a manner that is consistent with one who is dominant in the work place so no one will guess that he is submissive. The woman on the other hand is a Dominant, he can tell by her words and actions that she is. He wants to tell her that he is submissive and even hopes that she will accept him and possibly want to begin a D/s relationship with him, but he knows that it may endanger his job, so he keeps it to himself as he continues to act confident and sure of himself, making hard core decisions and really hiding his other half, even in the privacy of their friendship, while off work.
 
Time passes. He has developed an attraction for his friend simply because she is dominant. So he starts to manipulate the friendship by using inside knowledge of WIITWD on this woman. She questions every now and then as to his submissiveness but thinks better of it, since he seems so strong and takes the initiative when it comes to business dealings. Yet, she finds herself becoming attracted to this rather domly man. She in fact starts to question her own predilection because of her ever growing feelings for a dominant male. There is just something about him that attracts her and it makes her uncomfortable, because she had never been attracted to a dominant male.
 
More time passes. Months go by and he finally gets up the nerve to ask her out on a "real" date. Although she knows better and she knows he is not what she is looking for, she agrees to a dinner date. He is a gentleman on this date, opening the doors for her, holding her arm as they are seated, ect..all the while his heart is pounding because he thinks that this is a good night to tell her of his own predilection.
 
So much time has passed and he has used his knowledge of what she is to manipulate his way into her heart.
 
Should he tell her now?
 
What would your reaction be if something like this had happened to you?
 
Would you feel relieved to learn that the person you are/were so attracted to is indeed a submissive?

Or would  you be so angry that you would end the friendship right then and there?
 
For the Dominants, you can reverse the situation, exchanging the male for the female roles. (If you want to).
 
This is a made up story, based on something that I read on the forums today. In no way does it reflect me or anyone that I know.


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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:15:12 AM   
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I am not sure I get why anyone would be mad.  She never told him she was dominant, he just guessed it and then let his submissive side out around her.  Sounds like good old fashioned courting.

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:19:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

I am not sure I get why anyone would be mad.  She never told him she was dominant, he just guessed it and then let his submissive side out around her.  Sounds like good old fashioned courting.

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That's just it, he didn't let his submissive side out around her. He hid it from her intentionally.
 
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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:24:20 AM   
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Wow and before the martini hour---well here is My $.02
 
I assume that since he asked Her out and she accepted they are not manager and manged employee, so those restrictions may be null and void.
 
Put the BDSM aside, relationships in the workplace are very very touchy these days in the vanilla, add WIITWD and one can set themselves up for some nasty recourse if things blow up---
 
Now as to the real question---oy--I think honesty is the best policy yet just dropping the statement may develop in some bad bad reactions if she isnt on the same wavelength--I suggest the subtle approach, to still feel things out, because he could be all wrong---perhaps talk about reading and some imteresting books he has read of late on the subject of role reversal or bring it up in the context of politics, so how do you think Bill would feel to be the Mr First Lady--that should elicit a response one way or the other to let him know whether he can proceed---and I always suggest serious chats like that during the day--why? Because the light of day always paints things as they are, not as we wish them to be in the dark of the night. IMHO
 
 
 
 

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:29:07 AM   
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i wouldn't be angry. i would want to know if why he did what he did but i wouldn't be angry. but then i (almost) deliberately surround myself with people who are closeted for one thing or another, whether it be gender orientation/trans guys, sexuality, bdsm, substance use habits, etc. so i'm sort of desensitized to having people coming clean with me. and if my work place was that sensitive and we worked in the same location i would probably understand it. i also have known submissives who were dominant in every other aspect of their life including courting until they got into scening or a relationship with a dominant. so no i probably wouldn't be angry.

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:30:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

Would you feel relieved to learn that the person you are/were so attracted to is indeed a submissive?

Or would  you be so angry that you would end the friendship right then and there?
 


"No harm...no foul."

After all, many of us have to be discrete in the workplace to survive in the workplace.  So, it took a few months of friendship for him to trust her enough to share his secret.  Did she really expect him to "break cover" any sooner?  I should think she'd be flattered that he trusted her with such a huge secret in the first place.

It is hard enough to find suitable, local partners in WIITWD.  I would hope that she would rejoice at the gift that fate had laid at her feet, and not look a gift horse in the mouth.

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:33:14 AM   
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No, I wouldnt be angry, being in a work situation, people have to be careful, especially when there is an outside work componant to the relationship. If the interest is mutual, I would probably be relieved. Manipulation or just getting to know for sure, could go either way, depending on your outlook, I think personal pride would come into that,(personally anyway), but if the relationship was a good one, I wouldnt turn it into a "but you lied to me" bitch session.
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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:36:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHathor

Wow and before the martini hour---

...on the subject of role reversal or bring it up in the context of politics, so how do you think Bill would feel to be the Mr First Lady--



LMAO.  With your permission, I'd like to steal that line of approach

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:38:52 AM   
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quote:

So he starts to manipulate the friendship by using inside knowledge of WIITWD on this woman. She questions every now and then as to his submissiveness but thinks better of it, since he seems so strong and takes the initiative when it comes to business dealings.


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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

[That's just it, he didn't let his submissive side out around her. He hid it from her intentionally.


No he didn't.  At least not according to what I make of your story.  You wrote:

quote:


So he starts to manipulate the friendship by using inside knowledge of WIITWD on this woman. She questions every now and then as to his submissiveness but thinks better of it, since he seems so strong and takes the initiative when it comes to business dealings.


Since she becomes attracted to him, I can only assume you mean he started acting submissive around her.  What else would have attracted her to him? 

If you mean he hid the fact that he self-identifies as submissive, how on earth could she be mad at him?  One really can't tell for sure if someone self-identifies as dom, sub, or vanilla, no matter how they act in the real world.  Your story is a perfect example.  The man seems dominant, but isn't.  The woman, who also seems dominant, could just as easily have been submissive.  She might also not have a clue what BDSM is and the guy in the story would have just scared her away with his kinkyness.

Do you really think that submissive men should flop to the floor whenever they meet a seemingly dominant woman, or risk any future relationship?

I really don't get the question, I think...

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:39:15 AM   
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I would say that it's possible the submissive may have read dominance into the woman in question, perhaps he wasn't sure...he took his time, and finally got the courage up to take a chance...now, one thing i'm not sure about it...how out was the Domme...was it general knowledge she is a Dominant, or was it just assumed because of behavior around the office.

One other thing to consider is...the saying goes, you don't shit where you eat....especially given the lovestyle we enjoy, it might be an area of career concern for him to make it known.

As a sub...these are definitely things i'd take time with before putting my cards on the table...in fact, i think, in the position of the Domme...such discretion might be well appreciated.

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:39:40 AM   
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MH: I agree, honesty is always always the way to go in any situation. Asking Mr Bill about being Mrs. President is hysterical. He should already know, since Hillery has already run the White House once before <s>
 
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AFlyInYourWeb: I agree! To stumble upon a submissive in an area you would least expect it, is very nice indeed. They have already developed a friendship, so the rest should come fairly easy <s>

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:40:33 AM   
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Do you really think that submissive men should flop to the floor whenever they meet a seemingly dominant woman,



now there's a mental image...

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:42:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

i would want to know if why he did what he did but i wouldn't be angry.


What did he do?  I am seriously confused here...

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:44:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

...So he starts to manipulate the friendship by using inside knowledge of WIITWD on this woman...


There are special sub secrets to make dominants do, think or feel what you want? 

Damn... that lesson from my "You, Too, Can Be A Submissive" correspondence course must have gotten lost in the mail. 

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:46:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

quote:

ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

i would want to know if why he did what he did but i wouldn't be angry.


What did he do?  I am seriously confused here...

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why he hid it. sorry. still sleepy lol.

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:46:56 AM   
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This is certain not to go in the direction you intended, but once the genie is out of the bottle....


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He wants to tell her that he is submissive and even hopes that she will accept him and possibly want to begin a D/s relationship with him, but he knows that it may endanger his job, so he keeps it to himself as he continues to act confident and sure of himself, making hard core decisions and really hiding his other half, even in the privacy of their friendship, while off work.

 
Why would anyone presume he is pretneding at work?  Why would anyone assume submissive in a relationship means submissive to everyone?  Why would anyone equate submissive with unconfident, unsure of themself, unable to make decisions, etc?  Honestly, this depiction is prejudiced and stereotyped on so many levels that it probably deserves a thread of its own.

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So he starts to manipulate the friendship by using inside knowledge of WIITWD on this woman.

 
In the strictest sense, we all manipulate (influence) each other.  On the one hand, I don't think it's so cool to bring WIITWD to someone's workplace (it's not just his job in danger, it's hers as well).  And on the other hand I don't see any issue with relating to people about a common interest (though in a venue other than work).
 
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She questions every now and then as to his submissiveness but thinks better of it, since he seems so strong and takes the initiative when it comes to business dealings.

 
Evidently she has bought into the stereotype and prejudice as well.  Doesn't she have any experience meeting folks at munches, etc. in order to know that submissives aren't all weepy wall flowers?
 
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Yet, she finds herself becoming attracted to this rather domly man. She in fact starts to question her own predilection because of her ever growing feelings for a dominant male. There is just something about him that attracts her and it makes her uncomfortable, because she had never been attracted to a dominant male.

 
*If* she (or he for that matter, it's not a gender thing) were switch on some level and found Dominance attractive in some way, sure it *could* be possible on an emotional level to fall for someone's public personality.  Happens to vanilla folks all the time, only to find out that the book isn't much like the cover. 

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So much time has passed and he has used his knowledge of what she is to manipulate his way into her heart.
 
Should he tell her now?

 
Judging by the narrative, although he may not have (to his credit if true) overtly discussed BDSM and their roles while at work, he has dropped more than a few hints.  Seems she even "questioned now and then as to his submissiveness".  My point is, what's to tell?  This doesn't seem like a big secret.

 
quote:


What would your reaction be if something like this had happened to you?

 
I would long ago have pulled him aside and said that I do not appreciate him bringing his, or my, private life to work. 

quote:

 
Would you feel relieved to learn that the person you are/were so attracted to is indeed a submissive?

 
I dunno, maybe I'm more perceptive but judging by the narrative this wouldn't come as much as a surprise.  But setting that aside, I suppose I might feel pleased/excited more so than relief.

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Or would  you be so angry that you would end the friendship right then and there?


I would not be angry that he showed some discretion and respect for my employment and did not discuss my (or his) personal lifestyle at work. 

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:47:02 AM   
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Other than saying in my opinion it is NEVER EVER a good thing to date someone you work with .. it always ends up badly if it doesnt work ... I wouldnt be angry but would admire his discretion and patience.

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:48:54 AM   
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I would wonder how he could be so sure of her dominance that he could manipulate her with it. There are many submissive types of both genders that can be very dominant in the work arena. In fact I would say I doubt anyone can guess what another is based upon their work persona.

That being said, I do not know how anyone could be upset because someone did not want to share something that personal with their boss. It could just as easily turn out that she was a submissive too. I think I also have a hard time seeing how anyone can manipulate another with some sort of inside knowledge. Perhaps I am just not imaginative enough?

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:49:52 AM   
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it's not taking much time for this thread to take off, is it?

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RE: Here's A Story..... - 1/12/2008 6:50:36 AM   
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What would your reaction be if something like this had happened to you?
 
Would you feel relieved to learn that the person you are/were so attracted to is indeed a submissive?

Or would  you be so angry that you would end the friendship right then and there?
 

Have a laugh about it, then start to really get to know this lass and see where it goes.  We all hide things, none of us is an absolute open book.  In your story there wasn't any malice involved, just the usual human foibles.  Seems to me that there's two ways to look at it... either focus on the potential new relationship, or focus on a perceived deception.... kinda like the doughnut or the hole.

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