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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 2:00:58 AM   
MistressOfGa


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i would answer you, but i am laughing too hard. Goodnight or should i say good morning. Hopefully, my flu will beover by tomorrow and i can get back to my regular routine.


You know, when the mods tell you to knock it off you really should.


What we have here is a woman who has a borderline personality disorder. You do know that she feels she is above Mod 11's gavel, don't you?
 
I on the other hand, do not feel I am above it, so I will not be responding to this thread unless it is to respond to something that has to do with the OP.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 2:04:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

You do know that she feels she is above Mod 11's gavel, don't you?
 
I on the other hand, do not feel I am above it, so I will not be responding to this thread unless it is to respond to something that has to do with the OP.


I'd like to be under Mod 11's gavel or heel ... you know, whatever.

Think she'll perv me now?

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 2:08:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		You would hope so. My mom didn't learn how to drive until she was almost 50. He did everything, but like your mom she had all of us around her to help her out.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 2:20:38 AM   
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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 2:30:23 AM   
takenbyjohnr07


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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 3:18:35 AM   
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It depends on the Dominant to whom one chooses to surrender.

I was in a TPE for over a year while in college.  Part of the dynamic was her insistance on excellence.  She demanded that I was capable of a higher GPA, and under her tutelage I met her goals, and held myself to that standard after the realtionship ended.  She had me open my first checking account, and reviewed my work at balancing it.  The list goes on.  The point is that she foresaw my needs for personal growth and made me work to fulfill them even as I worked to fulfill her needs and desires.

Choose carefully.


Exactly   We shouldn't focus on preparing them to "serve" only, but also 2 fit into society.
I sadly saw 2 examples of slaves, beeing raised as just slaves. They lost track with the ouside world completely. It took so much time to make them blend in again. I am talking about several years. I am glad I was able to show these friends there was more then serving.
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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 4:19:48 AM   
MadRabbit


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Kids nowadays - give 'em a computer and they all become philosophers. 
 
Don't you think your questions are rather rhetorical?  And if some 20 something feels that her place is in slavery, why would she need to be able to manager her finances?  If she is going the slavery route, she won't have any finances to manage. 
 
You are also assuming that everyone is taking control of their life and having experiences that add value to it.  In today's world of video games and shopping, few are taking advantage of real life and adding to their cache of growth experiences.  Their "real life" experience is building an avatar for WoW or 2nd life.  Woot.
 
you should try posing the question you wish to ask to yourself to see if the answer is obvious before throwing it out to the group.
 
Also, I think you meant "stunt" instead of "stalwart".
 
Stalwart growth is a good thing.


You might want also want to consider how completely ridicoulous your answers are before throwing them out to the group. LOL.


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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 4:30:43 AM   
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Did anyone ever tell you patients is a virtue?

No, but they did tell me that patients belong in hospitals or doctors offices.

i think that is the best reply that i've ever seen...


Except it's been said already three times.
 
People that purport to be grownups should maybe not feel the need to belittle such errors or maybe see that it’s already been pointed out to me and nothing the one with two names said to me is anything anyone else hasn’t already said to me.
 
The only ones hijacking the thread are the ones who insist on attacking me after the issue has been dead for pages and I’ve gone. It’s so funny all of this politics that goes on here. I have an opinion I’m entitled to it and no one else has to listen to it.
 
I would have left ages ago this thread if I hadn't been drawn back so many times to outline my questions. 

Insulting me isn’t going to make me understand your divine knowledge and wisdom. I don’t ask to be molly coddled, either.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 5:13:06 AM   
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   To no one in particular, I really should have had coffee to keep up with this thread this morning.   But it was so funny that I would have spit it all over my computer if I had gotten some.


Edited---because I left a word out---I should have had that coffee 

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 6:40:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

Except it's been said already three times.
 
People that purport to be grownups should maybe not feel the need to belittle such errors or maybe see that it’s already been pointed out to me and nothing the one with two names said to me is anything anyone else hasn’t already said to me.
 
The only ones hijacking the thread are the ones who insist on attacking me after the issue has been dead for pages and I’ve gone. It’s so funny all of this politics that goes on here. I have an opinion I’m entitled to it and no one else has to listen to it.
 
I would have left ages ago this thread if I hadn't been drawn back so many times to outline my questions. 

Insulting me isn’t going to make me understand your divine knowledge and wisdom. I don’t ask to be molly coddled, either.

Kind Regards, yeah right
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There's insulting you and then there's taking some amusement out of a mistake, which is what I think happened. Otherwise, considering these forums, you would have been bluntly told how stupid you were for making the mistake.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 6:50:06 AM   
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I'd like to be under Mod 11's gavel or heel ... you know, whatever.

Think she'll perv me now?

Celeste - living in hope




You and me both Celeste:)

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 7:14:44 AM   
FullCircle


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There's insulting you and then there's taking some amusement out of a mistake, which is what I think happened. Otherwise, considering these forums, you would have been bluntly told how stupid you were for making the mistake.


That isn't the bit I was referring to, maybe read the bits you are conveniently skipping past now. Personally I quite like the game of swapping insults maybe if people realised this about me they wouldn’t do it. Just a thought, I’m like a dog with a bone.


I’ve made some mistakes on this thread for sure but people’s comments have only inflamed the situation making it ten times worse which is what I find most funny of all, then they accuse me of derailing it which is hysterical, I’m only one person. It’s the majority that can direct a thread in any particular direction, so why is everyone thinking evil me is manipulating the thread this way or that?  You all know what got it past page three was the personal attacks, why deny it?


If the topic is so great then please carry on and ignore me.


Sorry Mr MadRabbit you are the only person I’m going to apologise to.


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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 7:31:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can I ask, what is your point? Could you please lower yourself to my intellectual level and explain your original position? Because from my vantage point, it just looks like a hijack from MR's OP... I could be mistaken about that, but it sure appears that way, and for the life of me I can't understand why you are trying so hard to derail this thread, if that is what you are indeed trying to do.

So please, for my sake, would you go back to the beginning and talk about the actual OP...it would be greatly appreciated.


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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 7:33:58 AM   
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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 8:07:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		now that i have read this entire thread and i have quit laughing enough to type.....

MR i think the fact you ask such questions shows that anyone who gives them self to you will be fine......i sense you will be able to know how much someone needs to be taught, what will help them become a better human being, which in fact will enable them to serve you better.

we did have to learn banking in high school.....even had a play account and play checks and play bills and jobs that we earned money from.  i had my first real checking account at 15 years old and have had one ever since.

so you may have a 20 year old that is very good at managing finances or one who knows nothing.........i managed the finances for the 20 years of my marriage......about every 3 or 4 years, the ex would say dammit we should have more money, give me the checkbook now.  after about a month, when we were out of money and still had bills to pay, he would say i dont know how you do it, and give me the check book back.  then in 3 or 4 years, rinse and repeat-lol.

i think it would be wrong to not educate someone lacking in the skills of money management.  but educating could be as simple as having her sit and watch you and ask questions, then maybe in a few months sit and watch her do the books her self.

and i think for a youngun, youre one helluva human being......in fact youre one helluva human being even if ya was an old fart like me.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 9:35:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, MadRabbitt......Good luck on your next thread......may it go as well as this one has.  Does anyone have even a clue as to the point of these 10 pages of text?  If there was one, it got lost somewhere between the age of consent in FLA and the nearly hilarious flinging of insults between a few posters.  Where the hell did the OP go?

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 9:38:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think any jumping into a TPE (if you like using that concept) or 24/7 Ds or M/s dynamic is always unwise regardless of age. I think it is something best built up over time.

I started training Fox when he was 19 but he had lied for several years about his age and had some experiences under this belt because of that.

However while I grew to trust and love him I didn't believe he would go the long haul until he graduated with his BS in physics and stayed here, giving up some job offers and even taking on a job he really dislikes to stay with me. I was operating on the assumption that because he was young he'd leave.

That was over 8 years ago when things started. So far, he's been the most reliable, the most focused, the most submissive, and the best slave I have ever had in 17 years of experience myself.

I would still keep my heart guarded with a younger person but I have been proved wrong that age = leaving and not knowing what you want.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 9:42:30 AM   
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Sorry Mr MadRabbit you are the only person I’m going to apologise to.



I can't say I am all that surprised as the way this turned out. No matter how you write a controversial topic, people will still manage to read it with a filter on. This is my only real beef in our exchange of words, because I am saying A and you are taking it as B.

I unfortunately can't answer some of the questions you have asked because those questions were asked off the basis that I was "saying" or "implying" or "insisting" B instead of "asking" A. I haven't made any gross absolute statements or stated a hard opinion that there is an age limit to an M/S relationship or that I believe that anyone who enters one at too young of an age is going to come out unable to cope with life. Submitting an abstract concept for discussion isn't the equivalent of believing that concept is "true" or "going to happen" in every scenario or context.

So when you present questions such as "What is the age limit?" "How young is too young?", I unfortunately can't answer them, because they are asking me to submit an opinion that you seem to think I have, but don't.

Sadly, if you argue in a discussion based off a tangent created by your own imagination (and one you have continued to hold to despite any clarification I provide), your going to get fed to the wolves. I don't take it personally. I hope you don't either.

If you had simply submitted an opinion in disagreement with the concept presented, I won't have tried to draw blood, but you didn't. You insisted that I was implying something that I was not implying. I was just trying to make people think.

But...hey...maybe this is just a result of my "naive childishness" and lack of the understanding of the "obvious" answer presented by the wise and all knowing Invictus that someone who decides to be a slave is never going to need any life skills! (Besides the important ones like sucking cock, I suppose).

Thanks to everyone who replied, particularly our new troll for the entertainment of ignorant opinions, insulting statements, and childish drama (all the while pretending to be the nicest and friendliest person on Collarme.com).



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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 10:16:29 AM   
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Continue, I promise no more intervention, in fact I promised this a long time ago.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/13/2008 10:27:44 AM   
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Up until I saw the effect it had on her when he died suddenly, I always respected and admired their relationship.  When he was gone, she was so completely lost, confused and frustrated by her inability to live without him.  I think balance is a good thing even if balance is taking control and educating on the things you are controlling.  Please don't think my statements are judging authority dynamics, they aren't at all.  The question just caused me to reflect on my grandparents and how wonderful their relationship was until she was alone.


your example is one of the reasons that affects my own personal idea and approach with my girls.
I perfer to teach them to fish in the manner that I want.. instead of giving them the fish I want them to eat.
If I teach them to fish in the manner that I want.. they will eat the fish I want them to eat.
However, if all I do is give them the fish I want them to eat.... then it is alot less likely they will know how to get the same fish when I am not around.

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