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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 3:29:13 PM   
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Did anyone ever tell you patients is a virtue?


No but my Dad tells me that they are often hypochondriacs.



Sorry but it was right there...

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 3:29:28 PM   
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Did anyone ever tell you patients is a virtue?


*Grin* I've heard patience was.  But I suppose patients can be virtuous, too. 


I had to let that one go. I'm all done. This is too easy

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 3:29:37 PM   
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  Then why on earth wouldn't you civilly and simply ask if you don't understand the question instead of getting nasty and rude? That........... goes over 'my' head.


I was rude when exactly?

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 3:30:08 PM   
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Did anyone ever tell you patients is a virtue?


Patients is a virtue for doctors.  Patience is a virtue for the rest of us.  And I'm running people a little thin in that department as it becomes clearer that you're ignoring answers to the questions you claim to ask, in order to hijack this thread.
 
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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 3:33:48 PM   
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Finally, leading up to the bigger and more controversial question intended for everyone, do you think a TPE dynamic (for the purposes of discussion, I am using TPE to mean an authority dynamic where major control over an individual's life is surrendered) at too young of an age can be an unwise life decision?



It depends on the Dominant to whom one chooses to surrender.

I was in a TPE for over a year while in college.  Part of the dynamic was her insistance on excellence.  She demanded that I was capable of a higher GPA, and under her tutelage I met her goals, and held myself to that standard after the realtionship ended.  She had me open my first checking account, and reviewed my work at balancing it.  The list goes on.  The point is that she foresaw my needs for personal growth and made me work to fulfill them even as I worked to fulfill her needs and desires.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 3:34:59 PM   
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For mainly the Dominants/Masters/Whatevers out there who's demographic involves young girls (late teens, early 20's), have you ever been faced with this moral dilemma? Do you think it is an unwise decision to take control of certain aspects of someone's life when it might stalwart their growth as an individual?

Finally, leading up to the bigger and more controversial question intended for everyone, do you think a TPE dynamic (for the purposes of discussion, I am using TPE to mean an authority dynamic where major control over an individual's life is surrendered) at too young of an age can be an unwise life decision?


As Kyra has already stated in this thread and many on this board already know, Alandra has been in my life at a rather young age and Kyra as come into my life in her mid thirties.  So I have the ability to appreciate both taking a young person into my life as a young adult and another in late years with more time under the belt.

Interestingly enough, there is not alot of difference in my eyes.  The key aspect in both cases was were we all ready for the relationship?  In our case it was a Authority transfer dynamic.  In the early years with Alandra we didn't have any labels or such.  It was very much a nature path that we followed.  It wasn't until years later that what we did so naturally and easily was something many have grouped, labeled and strive for years.  It was somewhat surprizing there was entire group of people that lived this lifestyle.

Dispite the labels or lack of labels, the question of being self-aware of oneself and what one desires in an intimate relationship go a long ways.  This self-awareness to live a transfer authority dynamic is what motivates a relationship to go forward.  Every relationship is going to have challenges and there will be a variety of uniqueness to any specific relationship as compared to other relationships.  As a young adult, I had certain experiences, skills and talents etc.  This knowledge base affect what my decisions was within the relationship with Alandra, but not my desire to have the authority in the first place.  Jump ahead a couple of decades with more experience etc... and once again my choices are affected.. but not my desire to have the authority in the first place.  Alandra and Kyra both came into my life at a point where they where self-aware of this particluar aspect of themselves.  They had a intiutive appreciation that they enjoyed and desired to transfer authority.

For a Dominant of any age... I think it is important to be aware of their own limitations, abilities, skills etc.  and make the decisions that fall within those areas.  The Serenity Pray is indeed something that I hold rather integral to my mindset as a successful Dominant.  It reminds me that some things I can change  or more specifically decide on and some that I just can't.   I can only hope that I have the wisdom to appreciate which is which.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 3:46:55 PM   
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*Grin* I've heard patience was.  But I suppose patients can be virtuous, too. 


Yep it's not the first time I've made that mistake and I doubt it will be the last.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 3:53:13 PM   
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And I'm running people a little thin in that department as it becomes clearer that you're ignoring answers to the questions you claim to ask, in order to hijack this thread.


Maybe I missed a few sorry.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 4:09:24 PM   
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I think far too much emphasis is put on this concept of people not being able to take care of themselves at all. Most people can at least fend for themselves to some degree and within a few weeks on their own they will have it down pat. Realistically you can have an IQ of room temp and function on your own. Opening a checking account/balancing an account/paying bills isn't rocket science and it isn't complex..an owner could spend an hour or so simply walking his property through it and she/he should remember it for life. It is pretty basic stuff, right up there with if it is cold out put on a jacket before you go outside.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 4:51:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to clarify for a moment. Are you talking about a Dominant who has access to the subs money and controls it? Or are you refering to a sub who turns over everything and no longer has any rights or access to her money or is no longer on the accounts?  ^Thanks

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 5:04:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit


Finally, leading up to the bigger and more controversial question intended for everyone, do you think a TPE dynamic (for the purposes of discussion, I am using TPE to mean an authority dynamic where major control over an individual's life is surrendered) at too young of an age can be an unwise life decision?




Well, as a general rule, we don't have lifespans that only last 40 years these days, so while it behooved someone from times past to make those sorts of decisions at a younger age, it's just not necessary anymore. There is so much out there to taste and touch and experience now, so why make a decision that is going to have to last 60 or 70 years? Why not go to college, travel, spend some time working and building up something substantial for yourself first and get to know yourself a little better then see if what you thought, felt and desired doesn't change a bit from when you're 18 or 20.

If it doesn't change, you still have plenty of time to get on a life path. If it does change, it's a whole lot easier to point toes in a different if they're not planted in the ground.

I don't think it's 'always' unwise to make such life choices at a young age, but it's probably not 'usually' going to be the path which is best for someone who may not be aware of all the path which are actually out there.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 5:08:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		To the OP. I would think that a master could make their girl do certain things for themselves until they are proficient at those things. Just because someone is involved in a TPE situation does not mean that they cannot have room to learn life skillsets.

To be honest, if I were an older dominant, I would refuse to take a TPE slave under the age of 25 probably. I think that people should have room to grow and given the opportunity to  define who they are over time. Usually by 25 people are fully baked. The brain is finally fully formed (bet ya didn't know that cognitive development continues until 25). I wouldn't feel it ethical to take that much control over someone that young. As the mother of a young adult, the last thing I would want is for him to hand over complete control to someone else... he just left my control...it is time for him to find out who he is.

Now there might be some young people here that will flame that comment, but seriously, it is my opinion. And yes there are older people that are less mature than young people, but theirs is a problem that time will not cure... some people cannot outgrow their stupidity...


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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 5:19:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		isn't it against the law for a man in his 20's  to be sexually involved with a minor or just' living with a minor if he doesn't have legal gardianship of her? i'm not sure.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 5:29:38 PM   
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isn't it against the law for a man in his 20's  to be sexually involved with a minor or just' living with a minor if he doesn't have legal gardianship of her? i'm not sure.
It has nothing to do with being a minor, it's called age of consent.   For example in NY State age of consent is 17 in other states it can be younger.   

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 5:32:16 PM   
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Was that post to me, because that has nothing to do with my post

< Message edited by juliaoceania -- 1/12/2008 5:33:20 PM >

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 5:34:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		. Here in florida if you are under 18 as she  was . It is against  the law no matter if she jumped on him and raped him herself. Here he would still be charged. It's on our news casts here almost every day.

They met 20 years ago,. Was the law in New York the same as they are now? Just curious.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 5:55:41 PM   
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. Here in florida if you are under 18 as she  was . It is against  the law no matter if she jumped on him and raped him herself. Here he would still be charged. It's on our news casts here almost every day.

They met 20 years ago,. Was the law in New York the same as they are now? Just curious.


Feel free to start a new thread to hurl accusations of being a stationary rapist at KnightOfMists (someone I have a good deal of respect for as an online entity).

(Thanks to everyone who has posted.)

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 5:57:12 PM   
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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 6:03:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for sharing that list with me. So it is still . Here in Florida. i will look at it some more. It's very interesting.

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RE: Control, Young Subs/Slaves, and Individual Growth - 1/12/2008 6:27:11 PM   
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. Here in florida if you are under 18 as she  was . It is against  the law no matter if she jumped on him and raped him herself. Here he would still be charged. It's on our news casts here almost every day.

They met 20 years ago,. Was the law in New York the same as they are now? Just curious.


What does the age of consent in the US have to do with people who live in Canada?  Age of consent in Canada is 14, so your implications about Alandra being a minor are pretty groundless.

Knight's Kyra

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