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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 9:20:00 PM   
Zensee


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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 9:23:03 PM   
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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 9:23:07 PM   
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Didn't the west get democracy from the Indians?


I'm not sure. The ancient Greeks had a form of democracy, and the Romans had their republic.

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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 9:26:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zensee

Didn't the west get democracy from the Indians?


Technically, speaking.....We didn't get democracy from anyone since we are NOT a democracy.  We are a Republic (BIG difference.)  We got it from the Ancient Romans who adapted Ancient Greek government (a Democracy) into a Republic.





As for the OP, I really HATE this no pictures thing but I've already got my pee pee whacked twice so I can't post my "Don't Feed the Trolls" smiley.

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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 9:45:43 PM   
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The Greeks and Romans had forms of it (for males, land owners, ex military etc.) but not a universal franchise. I can't speak for Americans but it seems that most western style states are some sort of blend of republic(an) and democratic principles and practices. Most have rule of law, which is an alleged republican virtue, and all have elections, which is a democratic mechanism. The precise difference between a democracy and a republic, at least in the opinions I have seen offered, seems more a matter of semantic preference than political reality.

Anyway, the following is the bit I was thinking of, from the recesses of my fuddled memory.

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_democracy

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Historian Jack Weatherford asserts that Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and others, got their ideas on democracy not from any Greek or Roman influence, but from the Iroquois and other indigenous peoples of the Americas, who practiced the type of democracy found in the United States Constitution, through self-governing territories that were part of a larger whole. This democracy was founded between the years 1000-1450, and lasted several hundred years. He also states that American democracy was continually changed and improved by the influence of Native Americans throughout North America. For example, the right of women to vote started on the American frontier, and moved eastward. In other words, Americans learned democracy from the indigenous peoples of the North America.



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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 9:46:09 PM   
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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 9:48:10 PM   
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Oh God, a history lesson.

And what's wrong with that, LaM?

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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 9:57:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zensee

Sorry I was a bit scattershot.

The Greeks and Romans had forms of it (for males, land owners, ex military etc.) but not a universal franchise. I can't speak for Americans but it seems that most western style states are some sort of blend of republic(an) and democratic principles and practices. Most have rule of law, which is an alleged republican virtue, and all have elections, which is a democratic mechanism. The precise difference between a democracy and a republic, at least in the opinions I have seen offered, seems more a matter of semantic preference than political reality.

Anyway, the following is the bit I was thinking of, from the recesses of my fuddled memory.

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_democracy

quote:


Historian Jack Weatherford asserts that Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and others, got their ideas on democracy not from any Greek or Roman influence, but from the Iroquois and other indigenous peoples of the Americas, who practiced the type of democracy found in the United States Constitution, through self-governing territories that were part of a larger whole. This democracy was founded between the years 1000-1450, and lasted several hundred years. He also states that American democracy was continually changed and improved by the influence of Native Americans throughout North America. For example, the right of women to vote started on the American frontier, and moved eastward. In other words, Americans learned democracy from the indigenous peoples of the North America.



Got change for a nickle?


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American rule is a MASSIVE hodge podge of ideas and ideals.   The best example of this is the supreme court building which includes monuments commemorating the origins of our laws (not so much the origins of our constitution though) Christian Canon law, Hindu law, Bhudist law, and Confucian law are included to name only a few. I am certain that our system has American Indian influences just as it has influence from the country of India. 


HOWEVER, the primary foundation for the design of the over all system of governance was definitely Ancient Rome.  Just look to the architecture of our capital buildings and the methods of procedure on the floor of our House n Senate.

Our governance is a melting pot just as our people are.  The Ancient Romans designed the pot in which we have melted the best parts of other systems together.

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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 10:11:32 PM   
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Shouldn't this be in random stupidity?

You called it, MM!

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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 10:30:25 PM   
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I liked the thread about pussy varieties.  Now that's the kind of topic where Collarme really shines.

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Oh God, a history lesson.

And what's wrong with that, LaM?

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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/12/2008 11:05:31 PM   
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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/13/2008 12:42:45 AM   
PrizedPosession


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Status: offline 		it's funny cuz msn.com just had a list of things not to discuss with coworkers...and guess what was on there?
RELIGION.
no one, especially at work, wants to hear about that, thats why they do (or don't) go to church. Religion gets people pumped especially when you offend them by calling them "half baked" or pagans.
i grew up with my dad being buddhist, mom is episcopal, one grandma is roman catholic and another is jewish. There is nothing wrong with Buddhism and just because you don't approve of it doesn't make it half baked. It is based out of kindness, peace, and tolerance, and if that is half baked then give me a whole bunch of special brownies because there is nothing wrong with it. You shouldn't discredit another religion because the "lost" sheep went to it, instead learn from it and incorporate it before more get "lost."

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sorry if i offended anyone but like its stated above talk of religion, or in my case no religion, gets people riled up.

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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/13/2008 3:47:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

how many marriages are performed within the christian faith that end up divorced?

i know of 2 - my parents (after 33yrs) and my 1st (after 11yrs). just because it was blessed by a priest/pastor doesn't mean you'll live happily ever after.


talk of religion has it's place however at workplace isn't one of them.

when i was an assistant manager, i had to fire an employee who thought "preaching the word" and forcing his religious ideals on people was ok in the workplace. not so and after repeatedly telling him to "save the sermon for the pulpit on Sundays", i had to let him go.


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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/13/2008 5:16:22 AM   
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*shrug*

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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/13/2008 5:49:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad
I suspect CuriousLord will be around shortly for this one, among others

Yep.  Probably so. 
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And if the OP is sincere, I won't even complain about it, for once.

.  Hope all is well with you and yours.  I've missed seeing your posts..............luci


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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/13/2008 5:51:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad
Yeah, quite possibly so. And not the first time Tre'swank had done so, if memory serves

True.
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Funny thing is, if it had been about being Jewish, black, gay, into BDSM, or anything else popular, he'd be gone by now

Exactly.  But if it's about Christians or rednecks/white trash/fill in the blank insult to poor, rural whites, it's funny, insightful and freakin' hilarious.  Such a double standard.............luci

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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/13/2008 7:39:07 AM   
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I liked the thread about pussy varieties.


Please, you don't like a history of pussies.  You just want to look at the pictures.  


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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/13/2008 7:45:16 AM   
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  .....I wonder why it is that the lost sheep always move towards Buddhism, or some half-baked "Goddess" paganism. .....



Hmmm....I'd love to insert a smart assed reply but it'll only come out half baked, so why bother? Yanno Pagan is a term which Christianity used to describe every other spiritual faith not of it's own. Thusly, people who are Islamic, Muslams, Buddists, Daoists, etc are also Pagans. But this is just my half baked POV.




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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/13/2008 12:22:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have read this post and have to say if anyone tried to force their beliefs onto me i would tune them out.  I don't force my beliefs onto to anyone and i expect them NOT to force their's onto me.

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RE: I Attempt to Lead a Coworker to Christ - 1/13/2008 12:31:45 PM   
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Haven't read the rest of the thread but God damn it don't try to lead people to Christ. It's annoying, comes off as preachy, and most people are sick of it already.

Just lead a happy life, if it comes up in conversation let them know what you believe and why you think it adds to your happiness and leave it alone. If they are going to be drawn to Christ, they will find a way to get to a church, I promise you. Or you could at least go the less preachy route and invite them to church socials without attempting to convert them!

*goes off to grumble*

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