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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/13/2008 10:20:03 PM   
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MM, darling, an Orwell fan such as your dear self knows that some pigs are more equal than others.


 I know honey, but I just can't help but feel for the lower orders

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/13/2008 10:29:30 PM   
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It's the definition that's in Wikipedia, and it's the definition many I've known have used.  It does work for me; I just don't want there to be the pretense that I'm inventing or/and misusing this word.




Wikipedia has 9 different definitions.  These all have different meanings.

A good example would be to look up the word "snake" in the dictionary.  You can tell me a person got bite by a snake, but what this actually means would depend on whether one is bitten by a garter snake, a lizard snake, a rattlesnake, a black mamba, an anaconda, a...

Please review the definition that applies to you from the source you quoted (wikipedia) and provide it, and then we can have an intelligent discussion about it.

Funk and Wagnallsergy


And intelligent conversation about what..?  I said I'm an athiest and an agnostic.  I've told you what this means and cited sources.

I'm sorry, but I don't know what are you hoping for.

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/13/2008 10:31:46 PM   
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Aw come on, look at the bright side. If they can make glow-in-the-dark pigs now, they'll soon be able to make other glow-in-the-dark animals too. If we eat glow-in-the-dark meat, we'll make glow-in-the-dark poop. So if we ever have to poop at night during a power outage, we'll be able to tell when were done wiping.


Sounds like something my puppies should use.  It's hard to figure out where the smell's coming from sometimes.. (and.. the less sniffing you have to do to find the mess, the better it is.. most certain of this!).

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/13/2008 11:07:55 PM   
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Assuming Christianty, that God gave Man the world and it's elements to do to as we wish.

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 2:44:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I heard it straight from the pigs trotter that since they have to be illuminated to show as green then they are not glowing.
The number of things that scientists have done that might have some future benefit but in fact disappear into oblivion is very large indeed. Projected cancer cures being a perfect example.
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I say that there's no reason to believe in a God and that to believe there is with the reasons we have presented to us in this world is stupid.

Not true. What is true is that much evidence shows that a deity has NO interest in human beings.

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 3:43:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		And I say unto Ye, on the 4th day God created pigs and it was good. 

On the 5th day the Heavens poured out and there was before us an Armor meat packing plant, and it shone on the horizon.  But what was this shining?  It was a black light in the Northern sky causing an unending luminescence and it shone down on the good pig.  The shepards crossed o'er the landscape in search of that which was good and a mighty wind scorned across the furrowed brow of the Seekers.

Then in a sudden clap of thunder....there was naught.

The masses gathered at the well in the valley far and wide and wondered amongst themselves "why can we no longer see the pig....was Arathmus's generation and generation and generation upon us delivering it's full vengence with anger once again?  Oh woe is me and our search for the divine pig."

The words ran through the crowds like stinging nettles, hissing amongst us as if a storm had overtaken each of us causing flailing and gnashing like a giant wildebeast.

"Was it you? NO!"
 
"Was it you I say????? NO...it was not I !"

And each amongst themselves began to claim visions of another stealing the thoughts of still another until all were certain it was because of another, once more.  Surely in the darkness they had all seen "someone" even as surely as they had seen their own wanton images in the lake of need and desire.

And then just as suddenly, as if a calm had overtaken the entire tribe...a voice from nowhere echo'd..."see my words as if they were your own...read them aloud and share them in the darkness, for before you is the answer...."

And a document fell into my hands as if from the ether....and a quiet overtook us all....

I read the words that had been given me...and I trembled mightily as I stood atop the knoll....all the people waiting anxiously below for my pronouncement.

And I stood, ashamed to be alone and yet combined with this group...and I spoke;

"Okay....who's the DUMBFUCK that forgot to pay the motherfucking LIGHT BILL?"

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 4:41:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

This has always been one thing that has revolted me about Christianity.

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Assuming Christianty, that God gave Man the world and it's elements to do to as we wish.


I have to agree with LaM on this one. So if God gave humankind the world and its elements to do with what we please then why not use prisoners for experimentation? After all humans are animals..

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 6:19:51 AM   
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I say that there's no reason to believe in a God and that to believe there is with the reasons we have presented to us in this world is stupid.

Not true. What is true is that much evidence shows that a deity has NO interest in human beings.


If this is not true, what evidence is there for an apathetic though existent God?

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 6:26:28 AM   
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I have to agree with LaM on this one. So if God gave humankind the world and its elements to do with what we please then why not use prisoners for experimentation? After all humans are animals..


Somewhere in the New Testament (in a gospel book, I think), Jesus tells people that God's not only given control of but stewardship of the world to men; then men must care for the world to earn God's grace.

This said, if you combine it with control of the world (which is found in the OT; Genesis, perhaps, with "control [of the beasts]?), this is to make men dominant over animals, but only after God to tend for his wishes.

(Also to point out, either a prophet or Jesus had put men above animals in some line something like, "Look at the birds.  They do not care where their next meal comes from; why do you?  For, surely, you are greater than birds!  God will provide."  I think it's also implied in many other places.. the men who wrote the Bible had a marvelous way of glorifying themselves disceretly.)

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 6:35:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
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I say that there's no reason to believe in a God and that to believe there is with the reasons we have presented to us in this world is stupid.

Not true. What is true is that much evidence shows that a deity has NO interest in human beings.

If this is not true, what evidence is there for an apathetic though existent God?
  This question has been debated ad nauseam elsewhere.
My view is I dont know but the mysteries we experience both around and in ourselves, that are beyond our capacity to explain, make me wonder.

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 6:50:15 AM   
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This question has been debated ad nauseam elsewhere.
My view is I dont know but the mysteries we experience both around and in ourselves, that are beyond our capacity to explain, make me wonder.


It strikes me as odd, then, that you'd say my claim for a lack of evidence is false when you can't cite a single reason.  Not that I don't sympathize with it being a perhaps tired debate, but I'm rather sure that "intelligent design" (which it looks like you hinted at) has been thoroughly denounced by the scientific community (those interested with things such as evidence).

Science is coming to the point, too, that there are relatively few mysteries.  (Not that there aren't a googleplex or more remaining!)  We're starting to have some basic understanding of interactions, and we can read that many of these "mysteries" of human experience are easily explained with psychology and its various related branches.  (Sadly, the promising phenominia of "visions" turns out to be schtizo..)

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 8:09:37 AM   
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Until then.....never lol

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 8:28:36 AM   
CuriousLord


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Status: offline 		I guess it can't be helped if you want to believe it, but the current lack of scientific explanation is in no way evidence for God.

I'd use the "pot calling the kettle black" bit about how I shouldn't knock you for being stubborn, but I'm starting to think that that cliche was born of racism..

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 8:29:20 AM   
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As i've just heard that in China scientists there have produced manufactured illuminous green pigs honestly.I don't know why humans just can't leave annimals alone.As we are all gods creatures but in no way are us humans in any shape or form do we have any right to think that we are God.As their is only one god and let's not forget that.


Where's your technological cutoff point marking the "hubris line"? Is selective breeding of animals ok? What about grafting of fruit trees? These things are just low-tech genetic engineering.

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 9:13:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think these things are always resisted at first, much like anything that threatens a worldview is.  Look at equality, VCRs, and the ball point pen.  Someone always said it would end the world as we know it. 

At the end of the day, as soon as people have a benefit they don't want to give up, they stop bitching about it.

That's just the way we is, folks.

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 6:15:05 PM   
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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 7:25:59 PM   
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Interesting. So they've been able to manipulate pig's DNA (one of the closest bio analogs to humans in the animal kingdom) to change their pigmentation. So now they are flourecent green. This means that they have taken a step closer to finding cures for various genetic diseases. Such cellular manipulation could lead to cures for MS, sickle cell anemia, diabetes...



Such a shame that the best post on this thread was completely ignored.

Kudo's bipolarber.

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 8:04:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, Celeste. Funny how this thread popped up right now. The latest Popular Science magazine has a really good article on genetically modified bacteria. It looks promising that we might find a way to "switch off" bacteria that eats away at our teeth, and causes gingivitis (at the low end of the scale) and might also be able to target radical cells, causing cancer. (at the high end)

(Basically, it's the same technique that "I Am Legend" [another in the long line of "Frankenstien"-science-is-bad-and-evil theme] used as an excuse for creating bald vampires.) Yeah, yeah, yeah... and atomic radiation will create a race of mutants that will enslave us, or giant grasshoppers that will eat Chicago... and chemistry will release Mr. Hyde within all of us, or the computers will take over the world, or intelligent nylons will choke us in our sleep...

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 8:49:23 PM   
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I have to agree with LaM on this one. So if God gave humankind the world and its elements to do with what we please then why not use prisoners for experimentation? After all humans are animals..

~Lashra



In the past, many prisoners have been used for experiments and studies.

In todays time, most of these studies are used for pychiatirc and neurological practice. Thanks to human rights activist, we can no longer experiment tourture, target practice, chemicals, radiation, nor starvation techniques, etc.... 

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/143/7/838

I still remember reading about one prisoner who had his brain donated to science. The brain was to be sliced in paper thin layers and examined by doctors and scientist.

Needless to say, many experiments and studies are being done to prison inmates per what the law will allow.

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RE: Why do human scientists seem to think that they ar... - 1/14/2008 8:56:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ummm...Fangs?  The fact that people perform medical experiments on prisoners hardly changes my mind about this.

If anything, this only confirms my revulsion.

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