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Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:24:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		This isn't a question about being a condition of a relationship, but love in itself.
 
Is love or can love be in itself - conditional or unconditional?
And does it make a difference in the BDSM relationship, whether it is conditional or not?
 
I vote that it is never unconditional.  I feel the same about domination and submission as well, but that's another thread.  Just interested in others thoughts.
 
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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:26:26 PM   
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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:34:38 PM   
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Was that on your side or another?  And do you find that it being conditional is a problem?
 
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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:35:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		i suppose one could say all love is conditional if we really want to drill it down to a core.  i love my offspring unconditionally...except there is the 'condition' that they are my offspring.  But..... what if i found out that there was this terrible mix-up at the hospital and i found out they were not actually my biological offspring....naw... i'd still love them more than i love my own life.  Then i could argue that the 'condition' is that i raised them or some such thing. 

Maybe there isn't such a thing as unconditional love but i know for a fact there is irrevocable love.

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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:38:21 PM   
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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:39:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		if it is love.......isn't it by necessity unconditional?......depneding of course on your definition of love

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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:39:51 PM   
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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:40:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm i don't know if i am grasping this right, but i'll try to respond just the same.

i think once in love with someone, it can be unconditional...you love them and accept their good and bad and all of that stuff...it is possible.

But, with that being said, i still have love for both of my ex's....i know them and their faults etc...loving them doesn't mean i have to continue to share my life with them....i can love them and know them....and understand where there faults come from....but sometimes, that is not enought to continue.




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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:41:34 PM   
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but i know for a fact there is irrevocable love.


Such an underused word.  Thanks.
 
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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:47:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

Maybe there isn't such a thing as unconditional love but i know for a fact there is irrevocable love.


This is interesting.  Can you talk more about unconditional vs. irrevocable?

I believe love is conditional.  Now, I do not have offspring, so perhaps in that case it is different.  But having once believed love was unconditional, I can honestly say I no longer love my ex husband, after he did horrible things to me.  While I can not fathom never loving my Master, I would imagine he could make it so, if he chose. I don't anticipate that, but I believe it is possible.  Perhaps it is the cynic in me, but I think "unconditional love" is a romantic phrase that is unrealistic.  The optimist in me hopes that I am incorrect.

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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:51:06 PM   
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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:56:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

This isn't a question about being a condition of a relationship, but love in itself.
 
Is love or can love be in itself - conditional or unconditional?
And does it make a difference in the BDSM relationship, whether it is conditional or not?
 
I vote that it is never unconditional.  I feel the same about domination and submission as well, but that's another thread.  Just interested in others thoughts.
 
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 So many levels of love, so many types of love. Thinking about it leads me to thinking of why that particular love exists.I love my dom, but do I love him unconditionally or do I love him for who/what he is which in turn creates a form of condition on which to base my love?Would I love him if he were someone else.. no. So there is a condition of sorts on that. I love my woods, because of what I get out of them. The peace, the scents and the general thing that they are. Since I saw this posted a bit ago I have been trying to come up with some thing or some one that I love, while that thing/one has nothing to give me and I can't.It doesn't go into a vacuum. Just some partially formed thoughts.

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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:56:54 PM   
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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:58:27 PM   
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but I think "unconditional love" is a romantic phrase that is unrealistic. 


What da girlie said. I feel that I have loved.  I was betrayed to the core of my being.  It killed the love I had in my heart. 

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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 12:58:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened

Maybe there isn't such a thing as unconditional love but i know for a fact there is irrevocable love.


This is interesting.  Can you talk more about unconditional vs. irrevocable?

I believe love is conditional.  Now, I do not have offspring, so perhaps in that case it is different.  But having once believed love was unconditional, I can honestly say I no longer love my ex husband, after he did horrible things to me.  While I can not fathom never loving my Master, I would imagine he could make it so, if he chose. I don't anticipate that, but I believe it is possible.  Perhaps it is the cynic in me, but I think "unconditional love" is a romantic phrase that is unrealistic.  The optimist in me hopes that I am incorrect.


i tried to be clear in my post that perhaps 'conditions' exist for love which is may be how love is formed in the first place but i am here to say to all the world that there is not one single thing my offspring could do, even become flesh-eating serial killers, that would cause me to stop loving them.  The 'condition' of my love is that they are the fruit of my womb but what i feel for them is irrevocable, i will never stop loving them, as long as i draw breath and hopefully, even after that.  And it's not just my offspring, i feel the same for my mother and father, my dear departed aunt, my saintly grandmother; there are no clauses, exceptions, riders or loop-holes.  i will continue to love them.

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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 1:02:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe that I have unconditional love for my UMs...meaning I cannot fathom a "condition" that could occur under which I would no longer love them.



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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 1:02:31 PM   
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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 1:02:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, in romantic love; unconditional love is part of the fairy tales.  One loves another based on the assumption that they will live up to certain espectations; be they loyalty, monogamy, emotional fulfillment, honesty or whatever else floats your boat.  Of course many people continue to "love" even if these conditions are not met.  But in such cases, what is mistaken for love is actually something much more unhealthy such as dependence or obsession.


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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 1:06:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

but I think "unconditional love" is a romantic phrase that is unrealistic. 


What da girlie said. I feel that I have loved.  I was betrayed to the core of my being.  It killed the love I had in my heart. 

Cali



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RE: Can unconditional love exist? - 1/16/2008 1:07:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		While I'd given a lot of the thought in the past to the notion of unconditional love, I could never quite accept the terminiliogy.  After all, there were conditions that made me fall in love in the first place.  However, I do think I can relate to the idea introduced of irrevocable love.  Not saying that's necessarily healthy, either- but, I have not only seen it in others, I have experienced something akin to it myself.

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