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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/9/2009 12:18:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
Muslim = submission to the will of God and obedience to His law.
I lived in an Arabic country for years and although I never converted to Islam, I did wear full hijab. I not only found it liberating but I saved a fortune on fashionable ‘must have’ clothes. I enjoyed the modesty of being covered and gained respect within the community I lived in.
Contrary to the western popular belief that women are forced by there family and men folk to wear hijab, it is (in most Muslim countries) the women that choose this route, just as it is still the choice of many of the older generation Catholic European women to cover the head.
I have done some reading on Sufism (Wisdom) but believe that the mysticism/Indian influence is not recognized in Islam. Sufism in itself is not a religion. I would of thought that if you are a practicing Buddhist then Sufism is a natural progression.

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/9/2009 5:48:44 PM   
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greetings all,

i was just wondering if there are any muslim(ah) members on the boards? i've seen discussions on paganism and bdsm before, as well as christianity and bdsm, but none on islam and bdsm.

i've really become interested in islam lately as a friend of mine recently converted. islam, because of my master's experiences in the middle east, is probably the one religion that he'd really look sideways if i converted to. we are both buddhist, although my path is extremely eclectic and very flavored by other religions...i just have a lot of faith in, well, everything (and i don't mind contradictions). as i've been learning more, i know that i could never be entirely and solely a muslimah. still, i love reading the qur'an and learning about islam, and there are certain things i would like to do, like keep hijab, but i feel strange and out of place because i'm very prominent in the local buddhist community and also because i don't identify solely as muslimah so it is somewhat socially awkward. however, i'm thinking about trying to do it soon. i would also feel strange getting involved in the local muslim community, for the same reasons. i love my spirituality and i'm comfortable with it in myself but i do not really feel as though i fit in anywhere, which is really hard for me lately.

has anyone here experienced converting to islam as a westerner, or had a muslim partner? has it affected your experience in m/s or bdsm at all? for any who are muslim, are there books or resources that you'd recommend for those who are interested? i am reading the translation of the qur'an by ahmed ali, and i have also read a little on sufism as well as some sufi poetry.

respectfully,
annabelle.


I'm not all that clear what a "muslim(ah) member" is?

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/10/2009 3:08:02 AM   
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Muslim is a male whose religion is Islam
Muslimah is a female whose religion is Islam

In the arabic language, words have different endings based on gender.

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/10/2009 3:39:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi annabelle,
As always, your threads spark quite wonderful discussions.

I am moving to a Muslim country in a mere few weeks and would love to chat with you privately (mail on the other side btw)...

I am blogging about this experience even now that I am preparing to go.  To be on the way is to already be there to some degree.  My mind is focused on a number of things and my very first blog was about the way I view the abaya (the burqa without the face covering).  I, too, am not traditionally beautiful by US standards (although Latin men love me).  Because of all the responses I get from people about my body, I am to some degree looking forward to being covered.  For me, it's not out of the modesty factor which you have noted, but because I'm hoping this means people really will see me for my mind and my passion and my joy rather than my body.  As I've gotten to knwo Amish women in the US who have a number of cultural restrictions and found creative ways of expression, so too am I looking forward to seeing how the Mother, Necessity, has created Invention in the Muslim world.

I have lived with Muslims in the US (converts from Christianity), and one of the women was a subissive.  She saw it very much as an extension of her religion.  There was a piece about pain cleansing (although I don't know if that wasn't a left over from her Catholic guilt).  It truly is a beautiful religion.  Of course like can happen with all things, zealots have created furor which has led to fear - rather like the Crusaders created in the Muslim world oh so many years ago.  *just put that connection together... doh.

Anyway, while this is predominantly a response to you, please forgive me for using your thread to offer:  if anyone would like to experience my blog, feel free to contact me on the other side and I'll send you the link.

Annabelle, your love of religion and the beauty in each has always resonated for me.  Thank you for being a kindred spirit in this way.  After all, all the gods and goddesses are one.

I look forward to seeing what happens on your journey.  Please share with us.

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/10/2009 3:52:04 AM   
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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/10/2009 9:38:49 AM   
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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/10/2009 3:04:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Islam 101:

First of all, a clarification of terms.  The world Islam does not mean peace.  Salaam means peace.  Islam means submission.  Particularly, submission to God.  A muslim is one who submits to God.  A mu'min is the next step in iman or faith.  One who goes beyond submission to a deeper iman. 

It is not inappropriate to refer to a head scarf as hijab, but the word hijab also entails the state of one's mind and the way one carries one's self .  Hijab apllies to men as well as women.  I do not cover my hair, but i do practice hijab in my manner and mindset.  In Islam, one's intent is judged more than one's action.

Less than ten percent of the world's muslims are shi'a.  The Qur'an warns us to not divide ourselves into sects.  There are no sects in Islam, and the media slants this grossly out of proportion.  Warring shi'a and sunni factors are deeply based in politics, not religion.  We use the same holy book, the same hadith, and the same sunnah of the prophet Muhammad despite some ritual differences.

Sufism is a spiritual path, a facet, if you will, and not a religion unto itself.  Taking sufism out of the context of Islam is like trying to be an abstract painter without the fundamentals drawing.  You may find it to be very rewarding, people may even buy your work, but the best abstract painters of our time were also skilled draftsmen.  Without the foundation, they're just brushstrokes.

The shadada is the most basic tenet of Islam: la illah illa allah.  There is no god but God.   To the OP, this should be your focus; whether or not you believe this.  "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256).  If it works for you, great!  Some sufi cum muslim cum buddhist conglomeration just doesn't work.  Spiritual and seeking is nice, though.

You may also find it interesting that the Qur'an states (sorry, can't remember the exact ayat) "There have been many messengers, some of which We have told you about, and some of which We have not."  Many scholars allow for the Buddha is this list. 

Afterall, it was Muhammad himself who said "There are many ways to God as there are people..."

Hope this brief bit helps!



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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/10/2009 3:32:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		So define God, please. Are you referring to the Divine, or are you referring to the God of the Jews and Muslims, or are you referring to Allah the God of Mohammed (who, incidentally, did not write the Qur-an; nor did Allah)?

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/10/2009 6:59:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Etch

Hello LookieNoNookie,

Muslim is a male whose religion is Islam
Muslimah is a female whose religion is Islam

In the arabic language, words have different endings based on gender.


Ahhhhh....tank ewe :)

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/10/2009 7:00:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

ohhh geesh... I just realized how old this thread is... sigh.

cmail annabelle


(I just realized how old I am!...sigh)....

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/11/2009 1:46:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

So define God, please. Are you referring to the Divine, or are you referring to the God of the Jews and Muslims, or are you referring to Allah the God of Mohammed (who, incidentally, did not write the Qur-an; nor did Allah)?


Hi Rule,

Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess.
In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name. All other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.

The concept that God rested in the seventh day of creation, that God wrestled with one of His soldiers, that God is an envious plotter against mankind, or that God is incarnate in any human being are considered blasphemy from the Islamic point of view.

The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism. This is chapter 112 which reads:

"In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."

Concerning your last sentence, Islam holds that the Qur’an was revealed to Muhammad by the angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) over a period of approximately twenty-three years. Muslims regard the Qur’an as the main miracle of Muhammad, as proof of his prophethood, and as the culmination of a series of divine messages.The Qur'an describes itself as book of guidance. It rarely offers detailed accounts of specific historical events, and often emphasizes the moral significance of an event over its narrative sequence.

So yes it was not literally written by neither Allah nor Mohammed but it was first revealed to Mohammed then transmitted orally. Muslim tradition agrees that it was fixed in writing shortly after Muhammad's death by order of the caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar, and that their orders began a process of formalization of the orally transmitted text that was completed under their successor Uthman with the standard edition known as the "Uthmanic recension." The present form of the Qur’an is accepted by most scholars as the original version authored or dictated by Muhammad.



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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/11/2009 7:24:56 AM   
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Good post. Thank you. I will address it in different replies, as it will be an otherwise very long reply post.

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ORIGINAL: Etch
Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess.

Thus by the word Allah you refer to the Divine that is outside our universe, where there is no matter, nor energy, nor time, nor length as we in our universe know it. Indeed, the Divine having no body, it is without gender.

Etymologically, according to wikipedia, the word Allah is related to the Aramic and Syrian Alaha and the Hebrew Elohim. Alaha is the stronger form of Alah (= god), and Elohim is derived from Eloh (= god). I go one step further and assert that Eloh refers to the incarnate god El, one of the names of the Creator. The ruling incarnate god being seen (in the perspective of sympathetic magic) as identical with the Divine, the Divine will have the same name as the ruling god; confer the Hindu incarnate god Brahma being identical with the Hindu Divine, which also is called Brahma.

The word Allah in my opinion referring to El, there is intrinsic maleness in the word Allah. Conversely, wikipedia also mentions that the name of the goddess Alilat is the female form of the name Allah. I presume that this goddess was the wife of El. So, I suppose that there also is intrinsic femaleness in the word Allah.

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ORIGINAL: Etch
In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name. All other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.

Okay. That is essentially the same position as that of the Hindu when they assert that the incarnate god Brahma is identical with the Divine Brahma, and that of the Christians when they identify the Father (i.e. the ruling incarnate god, whatever his identity) with the Holy Spirit (i.e. the Divine). Muslims apparently go one step further and assert that all incarnate gods, not only the ruling incarnate god, are identical with the Divine - and right they are.

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/11/2009 7:30:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Etch, I just wanted to express appreciation.  I'm Jewish and understand Judaism decently, and there are plenty of Christians on this board (and in the US it is trivial to find out anything about Christianity).  It is not so easy to find out about Islam, so I thank you for being so free.

I just wish we could get some Buddhists and Hindus to share as well...


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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/11/2009 7:48:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

Hi Etch,

Good post. Thank you. I will address it in different replies, as it will be an otherwise very long reply post.



Thank you.

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ORIGINAL: Etch
Allah is the personal name of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess.

Thus by the word Allah you refer to the Divine that is outside our universe, where there is no matter, nor energy, nor time, nor length as we in our universe know it. Indeed, the Divine having no body, it is without gender.


True

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Etymologically, according to wikipedia, the word Allah is related to the Aramic and Syrian Alaha and the Hebrew Elohim. Alaha is the stronger form of Alah (= god), and Elohim is derived from Eloh (= god). I go one step further and assert that Eloh refers to the incarnate god El, one of the names of the Creator. The ruling incarnate god being seen (in the perspective of sympathetic magic) as identical with the Divine, the Divine will have the same name as the ruling god; confer the Hindu incarnate god Brahma being identical with the Hindu Divine, which also is called Brahma.

The word Allah in my opinion referring to El, there is intrinsic maleness in the word Allah. Conversely, wikipedia also mentions that the name of the goddess Alilat is the female form of the name Allah. I presume that this goddess was the wife of El. So, I suppose that there also is intrinsic femaleness in the word Allah.



I dont know about those languages. Arabic is the language of the Qur'an and consequently it's the one to be focused on. However, i guess wikipedia confused the one and the only Allah whom we as Muslims worship with the gods whom ancient egyptains used to worship. In ancient egypt the king and the queen were addressed as Al Elah & Al Elaha. They were to be worshipped by all the citizens back then. Moreover they had god for other things. The sun Elah, The wind Elah, They beauty Elaha, etc.

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ORIGINAL: Etch
In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name. All other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.

Okay. That is essentially the same position as that of the Hindu when they assert that the incarnate god Brahma is identical with the Divine Brahma, and that of the Christians when they identify the Father (i.e. the ruling incarnate god, whatever his identity) with the Holy Spirit (i.e. the Divine). Muslims apparently go one step further and assert that all incarnate gods, not only the ruling incarnate god, are identical with the Divine - and right they are.

Fair enough =)

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/11/2009 7:50:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Etch, I just wanted to express appreciation.  I'm Jewish and understand Judaism decently, and there are plenty of Christians on this board (and in the US it is trivial to find out anything about Christianity).  It is not so easy to find out about Islam, so I thank you for being so free.

I just wish we could get some Buddhists and Hindus to share as well...



My pleasure DarkSteven. Thank you for letting me be so free. Love it here

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/11/2009 7:50:19 AM   
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The concept that God rested in the seventh day of creation, that God wrestled with one of His soldiers, that God is an envious plotter against mankind, or that God is incarnate in any human being are considered blasphemy from the Islamic point of view.

Confusion is what one gets when doing away with polytheism in which both the incarnate gods and the Divine are present, in favor of monotheism in which only the Divine is recognized and in which the incarnate gods are reduced in rank to that of arch-angels.

I seem to recall that Islam has some kind of arch-angels, like Lucifer and Satan and such?
So from the Islamic point of view one or more of them arch-angels, when ruling, rested in the seventh day of creation, wrestled with one of His soldiers (I assume that you refer to Old Testament Jacob, if I recall correctly, as the soldier that the God of the Jews wrestled with, dislocating Jacob's hip?), was an envious plotter against mankind?

Now, since the Divine has neither an incarnate body nor mouth, and it is well known that Mohammed at least once met and spoke with Allah in person, and also visited physical Heaven for a period of time (two days if I recall correctly) and presumably may have met Allah there also (or were these the same event?), clearly he spoke with an incarnate god - and considering his name, this incarnate human god was not the incarnate god of the Jews, nor the non-corporeal Divine, but an avatar of the Creator El.
You do agree that Mohammed spoke with the ruling incarnate god, do you not?

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/11/2009 8:02:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

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The concept that God rested in the seventh day of creation, that God wrestled with one of His soldiers, that God is an envious plotter against mankind, or that God is incarnate in any human being are considered blasphemy from the Islamic point of view.

Confusion is what one gets when doing away with polytheism in which both the incarnate gods and the Divine are present, in favor of monotheism in which only the Divine is recognized and in which the incarnate gods are reduced in rank to that of arch-angels.

I seem to recall that Islam has some kind of arch-angels, like Lucifer and Satan and such?
So from the Islamic point of view one or more of them arch-angels, when ruling, rested in the seventh day of creation, wrestled with one of His soldiers (I assume that you refer to Old Testament Jacob, if I recall correctly, as the soldier that the God of the Jews wrestled with, dislocating Jacob's hip?), was an envious plotter against mankind?




Yes we have arch-angels. But i've never heard about what you wrote after, I'll check.

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Now, since the Divine has neither an incarnate body nor mouth, and it is well known that Mohammed at least once met and spoke with Allah in person, and also visited physical Heaven for a period of time (two days if I recall correctly) and presumably may have met Allah there also (or were these the same event?), clearly he spoke with an incarnate god - and considering his name, this incarnate human god was not the incarnate god of the Jews, nor the non-corporeal Divine, but an avatar of the Creator El.
You do agree that Mohammed spoke with the ruling incarnate god, do you not?


Yes indeed Mohammed spoke with Allah. It is mentioned in the Qur'an that he spoke to Allah and saw him but not with his mouth and eyes, with his heart. There is so much to add here but i'm having big difficulties in translating.

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/11/2009 8:30:44 AM   
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The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism. This is chapter 112 which reads:

"In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad) He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."

Firstly, I note that in this statement God is referred to as male; of course that may be a generic 'he'. (Does arabic have a generic 'he' that is inclusive of the female gender?)
Of course, Mohammed having met Allah in person, it must have been obvious to him that Allah was male.

Secondly, I note that the statement does not include that God is merciful or compassionate; nor does it say that God is not merciful and compassionate. That phrase was put in front of the statement by someone who was not Allah. The Creator El by definition is a reasonable guy, but he is neither merciful nor compassionate. The one incarnate god who is known to be merciful nor compassionate was the God of the Jews. So, it must be assumed that the prefacing statement was inserted into the text by a Jew, and hence it must be considered proven that the Qur-an is not an Islamic text, but a Jewish text.

Thirdly, Allah's statement does appear to refer to not himself, but to the Divine, thus making the incarnate Allah a spokesperson for the Divine Allah; this is in agreement with the principle of sympathetic magic of the ruling incarnate god being identified with the Divine.
I do note that the incarnate Creator indeed at some moment in time was not begotten, but came forth out of himself. So this part of the statement may refer both to the Divine, to which this equally applies, and to the incarnate Creator.

I do have a problem with the other part of the statement: "who has not begotten". I am not familiar with this from any mythology (there are some that I am not familiar with). In essence it is blatantly wrong, as the Divine did beget the universe and thus all beings in the universe, and as on the other hand it is well known that the incarnate gods, including the Creator, had lots of children. So whether applying to the Divine or to the incarnate Creator, this part of the statement is incorrect.
In my opinion, this erroneous part of the statement was not originally a part of the statement by Allah. It appears to be a deliberate denial or put down of Christianity, the thorn in the side of the Jews. So either Allah was stupid and ignorant, or he never made this part of the statement and it was glibly inserted into his statement by the same Jew who inserted the prefacing statement into the text.

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/11/2009 8:55:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Etch
Muslims regard the Qur’an as the main miracle of Muhammad, as proof of his prophethood, and as the culmination of a series of divine messages.

So yes it was not literally written by neither Allah nor Mohammed
The present form of the Qur’an is accepted by most scholars as the original version authored or dictated by Muhammad.

I cut out some of your texts in this quote.

Well, I disagree. I consider the Qur-an the miracle of the Jew(s) who glibly subverted the texts of Mohammed. I very well know the difference between the incarnate Allah and the incarnate God of the Jews and the Divine. Allah was the incarnate god that Mohammed interacted with. The god of the Muslims is not Mohammed's god, but the God of the Jews, whom Mohammed fought.

How can you on the one hand agree that the Qur-an was not written by either Mohammed nor Allah, and on the other hand state that its texts are the original version? The Qur-an is a Jewish text in both much of its subverted content as well as in its mentality.

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ORIGINAL: Etch
The Qur'an describes itself as book of guidance. It rarely offers detailed accounts of specific historical events, and often emphasizes the moral significance of an event over its narrative sequence.

I have not read the Qur-an, for it is an extremely incoherent text. Nevertheless, it is my impression that this guidance and this morality often is Jewish guidance and Jewish morality, not Allah's.

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Muslim tradition agrees that it was fixed in writing shortly after Muhammad's death by order of the caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar, and that their orders began a process of formalization of the orally transmitted text that was completed under their successor Uthman with the standard edition known as the "Uthmanic recension."

I also seem to recall that there were a lot of revisions and different editions in that early period.
Anyway, what I would like to know, is who were the Jews who were given this task by these caliphs? (Yes, I know, of course they were muslims - but I bet that their parents were Jews that were defeated by Mohammed.)

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RE: muslim(ah) members? - 9/11/2009 9:35:38 AM   
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Arabic is the language of the Qur'an and consequently it's the one to be focused on.

Both etymology and I disagree. Science and those of scientific inclination want to know all the facts, not merely a subjective and contorted subset of facts. How else can we know the truth? Omitting facts constitutes a lie.

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ORIGINAL: Etch
However, i guess wikipedia confused the one and the only Allah whom we as Muslims worship with the gods whom ancient egyptains used to worship.

The ancient Egyptians recognized both the incarnate gods - including the incarnate Allah, as well as the incarnate God of the Jews - and the Divine, according to the Larousse Encyclopedia of World mythology.

*shrugs* Lots of people - and especially the monotheistic Jews, Muslims and Christians - confuse the incarnate god(s) with the Divine. That is what you get when an incarnate god tries to impersonate the Divine: confusion.

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ORIGINAL: Etch
In ancient egypt the king and the queen were addressed as Al Elah & Al Elaha. They were to be worshipped by all the citizens back then.

I did not know that. Thank you!

So when the Old Testament says Farao, they actually mean God! Ha!

Kings always want and require to be worshipped. Otherwise they would lack the confidence to rule.

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ORIGINAL: Etch
Moreover they had god for other things. The sun Elah, The wind Elah, They beauty Elaha, etc.

These symbolized the incarnate gods. The sun Elah referred to the Creator, The wind Elah may have referred to either the Divine or to another incarnate god, The beauty Elaha undoubtedly referred to the goddess Aphrodite, whom by Paris was chosen as the most beautiful of the three goddesses that presented themselves to him.


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