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ORIGINAL: Etch
Yes indeed Mohammed spoke with Allah. It is mentioned in the Qur'an that he spoke to Allah and saw him but not with his mouth and eyes, with his heart.

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ORIGINAL: Rule
The one incarnate god who is known to be merciful nor compassionate was the God of the Jews.

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Muslims regard the Qur’an as the main miracle of Muhammad, as proof of his prophethood, and as the culmination of a series of divine messages.

So yes it was not literally written by neither Allah nor Mohammed
The present form of the Qur’an is accepted by most scholars as the original version authored or dictated by Muhammad.

I cut out some of your texts in this quote.

Well, I disagree. I consider the Qur-an the miracle of the Jew(s) who glibly subverted the texts of Mohammed. I very well know the difference between the incarnate Allah and the incarnate God of the Jews and the Divine. Allah was the incarnate god that Mohammed interacted with. The god of the Muslims is not Mohammed's god, but the God of the Jews, whom Mohammed fought.

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It seems like you're dictating me whom my god is. Just for the record; in Islam Allah is the god of Muslims, Christians and Jews. All the prophets were sent by Allah. So we don't have a separate god for jews like you say. Why cant you see that every religion has its point of view concerning all those events. If you wanna know mine fine but don't tell me whats right and whats wrong with my religion.

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Etch... sweetie, you are being so beautifully eloquent and open about your religion.  I thank you for that, as I appreciate someone who can discuss their beliefs without proselytizing

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Etch... sweetie, you are being so beautifully eloquent and open about your religion.  I thank you for that, as I appreciate someone who can discuss their beliefs without proselytizing (sp?).

However, you'll come to realize that any religious discussion with certain people inevitably turns sour.

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I am interested only in truths, not in the erroneous perceptions of these truths by whatever religion.

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I have a copy of the Qu'ran here somewhere.. I need to read it.  Once I find it, and have spent some time reading it, I'd love to chat with you when I have questions?

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Muslims in my opinion are actually better pre-dispsosed for our BDSM lifestyle than some other religions.
It is totally under-the-surface and sub-conscius, but,for example, take polyamory: Islam permits multiple wives, and therefore a 'poly' situation is something that a muslim can relate to, as opposed to Christians whose beliefs allow only monogamy.
Also, take slavery: islam accepts slavery as a social institution decreed by Allah. Slaves are slaves because Allah decreed that they are to be slaves. Thus a muslim can easier accept his being a BDSM 'slave' or owner than other religions where everyone is basically equal.
Wasnt it lthe famous Lawrence of Arabia who became a BDSM lifestyler after he, as a young stud was captured, stripped naked, tied spread eagle, and flogged by his muslim captors? His erections and orgasms while tied and flogged were so cathartic that afterwards he had to seek out people to tie and flog him as a stress release.
Also remember that in the Quaraan the Prophet Mohammed instructs that all men and women should keep their bodies shaved hairless from the neck down as a form of submission to Allah and that being hairless and pre-pubescent-looking reminds them that they are children of Allah. Think about how in BDSM many submissives are kept bodyshaved or at least without pubes, etc.
So I do think that there ought to be more muslims into BDSM as BDSM is not so problematic or in opposiiton to their religious tenets.

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...groping is also fairly common, as is dealing with having to listen to sexist comments and conversations at work...
perhaps i'm more sensitive to things like this as a rape survivor

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** !!!! Slavery is not accepted in Islam. It opposes Islamic principles of justice and equality. I mean, we are not allowed to buy animals what about humans ?

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I've sent the reply about the slavery issue. Check your inbox.

No it doesn't. And we dont consider those as true Muslims. Don't you have people who misuse their reliogious or political positions ?.

In Egypt we've been living with christians for ages. Christians are about 15 ~ 20 % of Egypt's population and we dont slaughter them in the streets of Cairo.

Millions of Tourists come to Egypt annually and they find great hospitality whatever their religion is.

Every thing has its good side and bad side. Unfortunately you always see our bad side only. I dont blame you its mainly our fault. I hope the coming days would be more peacful.

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I am not looking to point to your bad sides but come with facts illustrating Islam is not only a bed of roses and that (sexual) slavery is not condemned by the verses we discussed and it is not certain homosexuality does not exist in the Qur'an.

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Eigenaar, apparently, is like me Dutch, and The Netherlands does have a problem with predominantly Moroccan, Islamic youths who do not behave in a civil way and appear to be truly evil.

That said, I do see the good side of populations that mutilate the penises of their male offspring, as well as the bad side. Nevertheless, desiring to be good can result in becoming evil. When one fears dogs, one gets bitten by dogs. Desiring to be good, equates to fearing becoming evil. As St. Paul said, generalizing: those who are circumcized of penis, are not circumcized of heart; whereas those who are not circumcized of penis, are circumcized of heart.

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Etch... sweetie, you are being so beautifully eloquent and open about your religion.  I thank you for that, as I appreciate someone who can discuss their beliefs without proselytizing (sp?).

However, you'll come to realize that any religious discussion with certain people inevitably turns sour.