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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/19/2008 6:06:14 PM   
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The natural disgust of this, keeps most people from doing it.Not this bunch.They can`t win elections on the merits.They can`t win without election fraud, without "going ugly" like Bush did w/ the "swift-boaters",without lying and cheating.That`s why they(the neo-cons) do it.They have to.


I agree this kind of shit is ugly, unethical, and should not be tolerated. Didn't some of the MoveOn.org stuff bother you as well? You keep making it out that only republicans do this, when in fact humans of all shapes and sizes do this.

Another point about election fraud, didn't the supreme court state during all of that, that citizens did not even have a right to vote in a Federal election? That would mean that only the electorate counts on a Federal level. I agree that something needs to be done about voter fraud, because both parties have done unethical or even possibly criminal things.

Come on Owner, you are a smart guy, and I like opposing views, as it causes us to constantly examine our positions, but don't be a party cheerleader. It is going to take the American people to recognize the bad things that occur in both parties, if we ever want to change the political environment.




"I agree that something needs to be done about voter fraud, because both parties have done unethical or even possibly criminal things."
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You`re so even handed and fair....How sweet.


The problem isn`t voter fraud.The problem is election fraud.

Between '02,and '06',there were only 120 cases,and 85 convictions on voter fraud,out of 400 million votes cast,according to the DOJ.That`s pretty few,120 to 400,000,000.

But if you take small hoards of republican operatives,give them millions of dollars,and provide cover from the DOJ(ie.Alberto Gonzales),you can wash,scrub and remove hundreds of thousands legit voters from a voter list.You could "cage" voters,an illegal practice of targeting a segment of voters,for removal from voter registration sheets.You could hire firms to "help" people register to vote,and then trash the democratic registrations,kicking hundreds of thousands of voters out of the system.You could cheat,game,and play the system with with every trick,legal and illegal ,ie."push-polling",John Kerry`s a coward,McCain`s got a black UM ,etc.,etc.,etc.

Just beware.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml

and

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2421595

Oct. 13) -- Federal, state, and local officials are gathering information about allegations of voter registration fraud that were first raised Channel 8 Eyewitness News.
An employee of a private voter registration firm alleges that his bosses trashed registration forms filled out by Democratic voters because they only wanted to sign up Republican voters.
The allegations have set off a political firestorm stretching from Las Vegas to Washington D.C., and beyond. 

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and

http://richmonddemocrat.blogspot.com/2006/10/republican-voter-fraud-investigation.html

and

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

Diebold Memos Disclose Florida 2000 E-Voting Fraud
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/16/opinion/16fri1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

"In its fumbling attempts to explain the purge of United States attorneys, the Bush administration has argued that the fired prosecutors were not aggressive enough about addressing voter fraud. It is a phony argument; there is no evidence that any of them ignored real instances of voter fraud. But more than that, it is a window on what may be a major reason for some of the firings.
In partisan Republican circles, the pursuit of voter fraud is code for suppressing the votes of minorities and poor people. By resisting pressure to crack down on “fraud,” the fired United States attorneys actually appear to have been standing up for the integrity of the election system."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/18/AR2007031801077.html

One of the U.S. attorneys fired by the Bush administration after Republican complaints that he neglected to prosecute voter fraud had been heralded for his expertise in that area by the Justice Department, which twice selected him to train other federal prosecutors to pursue election crimes
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http://www.newyorker.com/

and

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/HRE412A.html


Chew on that for a spell,and see if you can come up with anything that compares,on the democratic side.

When someone`s peeing down your neck,and tells you it`s only raining,you should get pissed off.If the some jackass tells you that both parties do it,you should get wise right quick.

Note:I wasn`t referring to Orian personally ,with my jackass comment,but rather to republicans in general.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/19/2008 6:32:02 PM   
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DomKen, I was pretty angry that the Dems attempted to throw out 50,000 Millitary ballots in Florida, in 2000.  And in Reality every questioned voter got to fill out a provisional ballot, no one was prevented from voting.


Got a link or news article, backing that up?

Or is this another lucky-lie,from lucky dog?

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/19/2008 6:39:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not very sweet at all, I just try and see things objectively as I can. I do not always succeed, and you and others have been good about pointing that out, so I can improve in the future.

Why are republicans in general a jackass?

As to comparing things as to which is worse, likely what you put up there is some of the worst I have seen since being politically active. It does not invalidate the other instances of unethical and sometimes criminal things done by both parties.

Does someone committing murder justify someone else committing assault and battery. just because the murder is worse? No. I am saying to wake up and hold everyone accountable.

As to the OP, I have contacted my Senators and State Rep to ask their positions on the ads against McCain, and offered my opinion on how I expect more from them.

Again, I thank you for the post and link, as I may have missed this during this time of year (busy season for my business).

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You`re so even handed and fair....How sweet.

Note:I wasn`t referring to Orian personally ,with my jackass comment,but rather to republicans in general.


Not a jackass, but an asshole.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/19/2008 6:57:53 PM   
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They try harder?Maybe it`s in their nature?

Who knows?

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/19/2008 6:59:40 PM   
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Note:I wasn`t referring to Orian personally ,with my jackass comment,but rather to republicans in general.


Not a jackass, but an asshole.


Just hold on here ,buddy.I`m the asshole, here.Get in line.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/19/2008 7:30:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK the 50,000 number was not correct.  Here is a link to the story about how millitary votes were attempted to be thrown in the trash.  The courts stopped it from happening.  And you have no problem with that, because you support the troops so much right?  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15627

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/19/2008 7:34:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dom ken, the USS cole was bombed in the Persian Gulf, in 2000, less than a month before the election was held.  How can you possibly not remeber that?  How can you possibly pretend that they were not in a hot spot or flying combat missions into Iraq?   Here is a list of several of the sorties we flew into Iraq in 2000.  http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as_ldate=2000&as_hdate=2000&q=2000+Iraq+military&lnav=od&btnG=Search

Why you would pretend otherwise is beyond me. 

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/19/2008 8:15:30 PM   
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He signed a coerced confession, so what? That isn't giving aid and confort and considering the physical abuse he underwent to get him to sign it I think he probably should have given in earlier. He did refuse to return home out of order or to appear with anti war activists who travelled to North Vietnam. As to talking to reporters of any sort what's the big problem? Or is it that it was Cubans specifically that you have an issue with? I do notice that the interview with him by a french reporter that got aired in the US doesn't seem to stir your ire.

As to his combat record I'll dig out his book and see what he says about carrier ops that doesn't sound right but I'm pretty observant of details like that and I don't remember anything standing out.

But don't you worry yourself over me voting for McCain it won't be happening for other reasons.



DomKen:
How many of "Ace McCain's peers signed confessions?
How many of "Ace McCain's peers had chats with Socialist journalist?
I mentioned earlier and you seem to ignore is the fact that numerous other "POWs" were court martialed and given dishonorable discharges for less egregious breaches of the code of conduct.
I don't have a problem with Cuba or Castro.  I have a problem with a two faced fuck like "Ace McCain" waving the "Bloody Shirt".
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So,a big tough guy,with tough talk and swagger,great.....
I never claimed to be a tough guy. 
Which tough talk are you referring to?
I said "Ace McCain was a self admitted liar and cheat.
How many other "guest" at the "Hanoi Hilton" signed confessions to war crimes?

I bet I could get you to sign anything,do anything,say anything,given enough "private time",between you and I.
How sweet.

I`d have you crying for mommy, in no time.

If you seemed to be anti-bush,anti-neo-con,that`s only an unfortunate coincidence, and means absolutely nothing,given what you`ve said about John McCain.
All I have said about "Ace McCain" is true,taken from his own autobiography.

What branch of the Armed Forces did you served in?Unit name and number,and the base where you did most of your service,please.
The branch of the service I was in is hardly germane to this discussion.
I spent two years (65-67) in I corps.

Something tells me you`ve never even broken a sweat,let alone served in the military.

You disgust me.
It is sad that the truth has such an effect on you.

This is why I said,"it takes all kinds".

It`s true.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/19/2008 8:41:49 PM   
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Funny thing is McCain only signed the first of two confessions they wanted him to sign. He refused to sign the second one and they went back to torturing him. He never signed the second confession. Man can't reach high enough to comb his hair but he's somehow a coward and traitor.
I said he was a liar and a cheat which he admits to in his autobiography. 
I said he broke the code of conduct which he admits to in his autobiography.
I asked you how many of his peers broke the code of conduct.

I'm not voting for him for other reasons but I've now gone over his book again and see no problem with his description of carrier ops or any other aspect of his military service and do not have an issue with his behaviour as a POW. I also cannot find these others who were court martialed for similiar actions while POW's.
I find it interesting that you claimed to have read his book yet you initially thought that "Ace McCain" was in the Air Force.  The whole book is about his Navy career,how could you have missed that?
As for his "claimed" military record..."Ace McCain" flew A4s off of "Yankee Station" He was on the Forestall and the Oriskany.  Do a little research and figure out how many days he was on station.  Divide those days into the number of combat missions he is suppose to have flown.  "Hop" time from "Yankee Station" to "Downtown" is just minutes but turnaround time for an A4 is quite a bit longer.  It is possible he flew that many missions but not probable when you consider the number of aircraft in a squadron and the number of pilots and the standard rotation for missions. You do not seem to know much about the CAG so perhaps you should find someone who does and chat with them about how things work there.


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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/19/2008 9:20:39 PM   
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Dom ken, the USS cole was bombed in the Persian Gulf, in 2000, less than a month before the election was held.  How can you possibly not remeber that?  How can you possibly pretend that they were not in a hot spot or flying combat missions into Iraq?   Here is a list of several of the sorties we flew into Iraq in 2000.  http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as_ldate=2000&as_hdate=2000&q=2000+Iraq+military&lnav=od&btnG=Search

Why you would pretend otherwise is beyond me. 

Now you're just wrong. The USS Cole was in the Red Sea when she was attacked. That's not pretending anything it is simply stating the facts. Flyboys were drilling holes in the sky in 2000 over the Persian Gulf. Claiming boring garrison duty is being under fire is one of those things that bugs me about chicken hawks and liars who claim to have served.

No matter what though there were no 500,000 absentee ballots. As I showed earlier the whole total of overseas absentee ballots received after election day for the whole state of Florida was 2490. of those better than 1/4 were in some way illegitimate but the GOP saw to it that those that were arrived in GOP leaning counties were counted despite having clear issues that the NYT documented. That's vote fraud and not by the Democrats.

So to recap,

The USS Cole was attacked in Yemen in the Red Sea.

The GOP not the Dems commited vote fraud in the post election absentee vote count in Florida in 2000.

There was no such thing as provisional ballots in the presidential election in Florida in 2000.

Are you done spreading misinformation?

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/20/2008 2:14:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		No matter what though there were no 500,000 absentee ballots. I already conceeded that the number was lower, what is an acceptable number of soldiers votes is it ok to throw away, in your opinion.  As I showed earlier the whole total of overseas absentee ballots received after election day for the whole state of Florida was 2490. of those better than 1/4 were in some way illegitimate but the GOP saw to it that those that were arrived in GOP leaning counties were counted despite having clear issues that the NYT documented. That's vote fraud and not by the Democrats. No, your NYTimes article stated there was no evidence of fraud, I already cited that to you.  Your claiming the NYTIMES found that is simply made up by you, a personal opinion arrived at by cherry picking your sources. 

So to recap,

The USS Cole was attacked in Yemen in the Red Sea.  That is correct, it was however less than 30 minutes by air away, and was not the only action I cited from the region.  I should amend my  previous remarks to say serving in the Persian Gulf Region instead of in the Persian gulf.  You found a nitpick, good job, I should be as correct in my phrasing as possible.  Doesn't change my point in anyway, that less than 1 month before the election a ship got blown to shit in the region killing American Sailors and putting all troops in the Region on combat alert.

The GOP not the Dems commited vote fraud in the post election absentee vote count in Florida in 2000.   Not according to the source YOU cited.  I never alledged fraud by the Dems.  I said they tried to go to court to have ballots from soldiers serving in the gulf region under combat conditions, that had problems with thier postmarks through no fault of theirs, thrown in the trash.  It was not 50,000, it was a few thousand, and it was disgusting.  Shows a high level of support for those serving, by Democrats.

There was no such thing as provisional ballots in the presidential election in Florida in 2000.  I was wrong about that also, Provisional ballots were done on a county basis before 2002, when statewide regs became law. 

Are you done spreading misinformation?

While I made a few small errors, the big misinformation here is you claiming that US troops in the gulf region were on "boring garrison Duty" less than a month after the Cole incident.  Also they were regularly flying combat and bombing sorties into Iraq, I posted you links which you did not adress.  Less than 2 years had passed since Khobar and Kenya, and the active bombing of Sudan, Afghanistan, and Iraq.  "Boring Garrison Duty" Less than a month after several of thier brothers were killed in a terrorist attack 20 minutes away?  So its ok to throw away thier votes, over a postmark issue under hairy conditions?  Of our Volunteer Soldiers?  You  have got to be kidding me, Democrats support that?  YOU support that?...

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/20/2008 6:54:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I support obeying the law. Any other way of administering an election is illegitimate. You keep making a big deal about a few hundred troops in the Persian Gulf, do you have evidence that any of those 2900 ballots were from there? Considering the small number of troops involved and the much higher numbers in Germany, Korea and Okinawa I would be surrised if more than a handful were actually from the Saudi bases. However you've called a 499K difference "small" so you're unlikely to ever admit that no servicemen filled out their ballot between firefights and that allowing overseas ballots with inside the US postmarks or from people who had already voted was vote fraud facilitated by the GOP.

Once again, everything in your initial claim was wrong. Around 3000 overseas absente ballots were received and the GOP ensured that in counties likely to support Bush those ballots were counted even when clear violations of election law were involved not 500,000 just from servicemen.

In later posts you repeatedly claimed that the thousands of illegally purged minority voters in Florida in 2000 were allowed to cast provisional ballots despite no such law being in place. You claim this is a small error but the disenfranchisement dwarfs the number of absentee ballots involved that you are so worked up over.

You claimed you were mad about that supposed half milllion disenfranchised service people well are you mad that the real large group of disenfranchised people were black men and the evidence is overwhelming that if their votes had been counted Bush would never have taken the oath of office? I'm curious.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/20/2008 7:47:13 AM   
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DomKen, I was pretty angry that the Dems attempted to throw out 50,000 Millitary ballots in Florida, in 2000.  And in Reality every questioned voter got to fill out a provisional ballot, no one was prevented from voting.


Got a link or news article, backing that up?

Or is this another lucky-lie,from lucky dog?



Guess it`s the latter.....

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/20/2008 11:00:33 AM   
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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/20/2008 11:05:59 AM   
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Also the law is the law and if absentee ballots arrived improperly for any reason they have to be thrown out


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ALumbrado:Completely untrue... partisan interpretations of local election regulations do not trump federal law or the rights of citizens in the military. Those attempts to throw out military votes failed because they were fraudulent.


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The law was enforced and legal ballots counted correct? How is my statement then incorrect? What was at issue here was a group of canvassing boards trying to be too strict in counting absentee votes not the shenanigans the GOP pulled to get improperly cast absentee ballots counted.

The NYT article I cited above found 680 questionable absentee ballots out of the 2490 received after election day that were counted. Of those 4 out of 5 questionable ballots were in GOP counties. According to the NYT all failed to adhere to either state or federal requirements and still got counted. That is quite clearly unacceptable and is very close to the final official margin in Florida in 2000.


Your statement is only incorrect to the extent it directly contradicts the documented facts, as the linked law review shows. 

Denying US citizens their right to have their vote counted 'for any reason' is not legal.

Calling it 'improper' because the voter is black, or because the voter fails the literacy test, or the income requirement, or because the partisan county supervisor of elections thinks that military postal handling procedures are 'improper' is not legal. 

It is the US mail, not the Broward county mail.



Put any spin on it you wish.

But why do you need to spin it at all?

What does it gain you to live in denial of the reality that  Democrat, and Republican, and Libertarian career politicans are greedy lying cheats whose only agenda is personal power by any means neccessary?

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/20/2008 11:56:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		No dom ken I said 50,000, not 500,000.  Nice of you to change that.

I never said they filled out thier balots between fire fights, I said the region was on combat alert

You want to pretend soldiers serving in the gulf watching their brothers die are sitting on boring garrison duty.  Please remeber this is a thread about slandering our troops and veterans.  Which you are doing.

You seem to think that the only troops over there were in the Suadi bases?  Why?   That is willfull ignorance.
And the Carrier group that was enforcing the No fly Zones was based in Florida, but presume there would be no Florida residents in it......

So to recap, Some Vietnam Vet activists (which have not been tied to Republicans) dislike Mc cain, and are saying it.
So we have veterans criticising a specific vet, and a few of you are trying to pretend that is a slander of ALL vets, by Republicans.  Yet you and owner are in favor of throwing active duty Soldiers votes in the trash, because the chain of command (headed by Bill Clinton) failed to get them postmarked in time.  And are in favor of Slandering Vietnam Vets who speak thier mind, unless they agree with you.   Gee I wonder why the Troops tend to vote Republican......

Why do you cite the NYtimes article if you think it is a lie? 

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/20/2008 12:52:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		So what you claimed 50,000 but the true total wasn't even 3000. I mistakenly aded an order of magnitutude you either intentionally added better than an order of magnititude or quite simply made your claim up.

Now you're claiming servicemen in the Persian Gulf in 2000 were taking casualties. I'm going to have to demand you prove that. I had friends in the area and they called it safe boring duty. Their majort complaint was no decent liberty due to teh Saudi rules on such.

To recap a small group of people who claim to be Vietnam Vets, which includes a vet who has been a GOP hatchetman for going on 35 years, is smearing McCain presumably for the benefit of Huckabee who did not serve. I as a vet do not like lies or distortions spread about any vets military service. Does that mean I want the laws broken to benefit servicepeople? No.

Do I view any disenfranchisement lightly? No. I am still puzzled by your and other conservatives lack of outrage that Bush accepted the Florida outcome after it became clear that more minority voters were denied the right to cast ballots than was Bush's margin in the state. Am I correct that you see nothing wrong with Bush taking office due to his campaugn chair in florida having illegally purged minority voters? I'm still waiting for you or any other pro Bushie to admit that he lost Florida by any reasonable standard and only won by illegal means.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/20/2008 2:09:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am indeed claiming that Servicemen in the Gulf region took casulaties in 2000.  And I cited the event.  I also cited a list of bombng raids we lew into Iraq, Combat operations are not Boring Garrison duty.  I suppose some army guys in interior Arabia on isolated bases felt bored.  The Navy guys certainly were not.  You still pretend it didn't happen.  The Cole.  Pretending these are the same people as SBVFT is simply made up by you guys.  They use a play on the name Swift "Boot" Veterans....That claim was made earlier, but it is completely false.  POW/MIA activists do not/are not republican loyalists, and thousands of them feel Mc Cain is a sell out, I disagree, but they are vets and can say whatever they like.

IF we are using the standard that criticism of a specific Vet for specific reasons by other Vets is an attack on all Vets, Certainly attempting to throw out a single active duty millitary ballot is an attack on all vets.  Civilians who registered with fake adresses?  Or didn't choose to educate them selves/open thier mail as to how to vote...Too bad. 

I do draw a distinction between a soldier who through no fault of his own, while on active duty (hence his time and location is controlled) who has a technicall issue (not related to anything he did), and  a civilian who simply didn't bother to find out where to vote ahead of time (completely of his own violition).  Florida law is very clear that you have to vote in the right place.  I do not understand why you want to ignore the law for civilians, and not give a benefit of the doubt to active overseas deployed soldiers...I suppose that is what makes one a Democrat.

I still do not understand why going to court is illegal in your mind. 

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/20/2008 5:23:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once again, the USS Cole was not in the Persian Gulf when she was attacked. How many times are you going to repeat your mistaken claim. I've now checked 5 times and can find not a single report of a single casualty in the Persian Gulf in 2000. Continuing to claim otherwise makes me wonder whether you can identify the truth compared to your fantasy.

The disenfranchised minorities were not lazy and did not show up at the wrong polling place. Where you got those claims from is unknown to me. Florida's SoS, the Bush campaign chair in the state, illegally employeed a Texas company with close ties to the Bush family to provide a list of felons to purge from their voting lists. In complete violation of Florida and federal law no investigation of the list was done by the SoS office. The people on the list were simply purged and not allowed to vote. This got in the news when substantial numbers of independent reports came into news outlets during the voting of these people going to vote and being turned away. As previously shown this was before provisional voting was allowed and these people were simply denied their right to vote even though they had legally registered to vote, shown up at the right polling place at the right time. So these people had their most basic right as citizen taken away. The verified number exceeds Bush's margin of victory in the state. Therefore Bush did not legitimately win the election and is in the White House only by taking advantage of egregious violation of then existing federal and Florida voting laws. Why do you continue to try and obfuscate the issue? Answer directly, do black men who did every thing by the book who were denied the ability to vote count for less than servicemen who did not make the effort to make sure their ballots were properly filled out, some of the 600+ invalid overseas absentee ballots were not signed as required by law? Note that even with those ballots absentee ballots counted Bush still lost if the illegally purged voters were counted.

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RE: republicans slander John McCain and all veterans,in SC - 1/20/2008 8:31:51 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		Every person whose name was stricken from the rolls got a letter sent to the adress they registered at.  If they chose to use fake adresses, not keep thier registratioin current, or ignore the notification letter, too bad.

Soldiers dying is not the determining factor for the status of the fleet.  Luckily very few soldiers in the Gulf region, which includes Yemen were killed in 2000.  A ship got blown up killing some less than a month before the election.  Why you refuse to acknowledge that is a mystery.  But you want to insist that being 20 minutes from the actuall Gulf is not part of the Gulf region, I guess you have to as a Democrat.  Why you think ships with people flying combat and bombing raids is on "Boring Garrison Duty" is just wacky.

I am sorry that the NYTimes article YOU cited DISAGREES WITH YOU but it does...So to recap, to Democrats making specific allegations against a specific soldier by Veterans, is slander of All Vets...And Democrats throwing Soldiers votes in the Garbage is good and right.  We simply have to agree to disagree...Feel free to give me the name of any specific voter who got denied, as I asked a ways back

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