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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/19/2008 6:26:06 PM   
tigerstyle


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

For me it's not "perving" on the idea, it's wanting to have as great an understanding as possible of my Master's perspective.  The better I understand him, the better I can serve him.  And since I simply love his lust, I like knowing what brings him that lust.

You say understandmato, I say pervmahto.


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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/19/2008 6:28:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tigerstyle

One thing I'm coming to realize about this question is how deeply some subs perv on the idea of watching themselves be used through someone else's eyes. The question "what gets you off about hurting me" is asked with glowing eyes and panting breath. It's very odd to see someone looking at you and knowing that they are sort of projecting into your head to see themselves. I don't work that way, I'm not very concerned with the converse.

I'm sadistic because I'm violent and I have a lot of anger, especially against women. I could call it "an energy", but I prefer to call a spade a spade. My sexuality is tightly linked with anger and its expression-and vice versa.





Wow. How refreshingly honest, albeit scary. Been with someone like that and never will again.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/19/2008 9:58:40 PM   
TheDomInTheHat


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Status: offline 		I don't think sadism is about violence for me. It's about control and experimentation. If I do x she screams, if I do Y she squirms, If I do z she moans and begs for more. She seems to like her nipples squeezed, how hard is too hard? She loves the belt, how about the crop? She hates (although secretly loves) the clamps, I wonder if it will improve her felatio. What can I say, I'm a giver :P 

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/20/2008 4:22:28 PM   
venusinblu


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Status: offline 		yep .. .ownedgirlie hit it on the head for me - there is something about inciting that lust which pushes me over the edge.  

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/20/2008 6:38:45 PM   
CapnSpankins


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Status: offline 		Personally, I have been a sadistic fucker for a long long time.

I'm capable of violence, but not violent.

My trip as a sadist comes in a big way from this empathetic thing that happens. While I'm really working up a good rhythm with canes or a flogger or the crop, I know how much it hurts. I have never used an instrument I didn't first test on myself so I know what I'm dishing out. So, I'm hitting her ass or her tits or her thighs or - one of my faves - the bottom of her feet. And I'm hitting hard and in my head I'm just thinking, "Goddamn! I just whacked the shit out of her pretty feet and that stings like a motherfucker! WHOOOOOOOOO!" I guess my internal dialog is not so helpful here, but I'm trying to relay something that takes place in my head, so you get what you get. :-)

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/21/2008 9:18:54 AM   
StrictMaster979


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Status: offline 		Wow right to the heart eh!  In preparation it is always hard to ensure I am well prepared, what I will do&when, the order that will build up to the biggest expression for her, sometimes the wrong order has resulted in her coming to pain threshold too soon and its all over and she needs to be comforted.  During the session her reaction is always looked for, her whimpers, moans are particularly thrilling, her cries, her shuffling back and forth, her pushing aginst the ropes&chains,  As it goes on I luv it when she is pushing her limits knowing she is only a breath away from cyberspace, hoping she doesnt utter that failing secret word, watching her masterbate and almost cum so many times and yet no relief-as is her commitment to me, the imprint of the clothespins on her fleshy breasts, the huge expansion of her nipples when vacuumed, the helplessness of her cries as she is tied down and her lips seperated/clamped and tied to each leg. It makes me so hard I can hardly stand it.  Her tears and wetness most effects me though.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/21/2008 9:47:29 AM   
HardnRuff


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Status: offline 		I Love the feeling of the Power to do as I wish to her. The fact that she will take anything I am willing to dish out is very humbling to this Sadist. I Love the fear in her eyes because she is never sure what I will do next. ..I Love the way she begs Me to stop. I Love the way she writhes and moans in pain and pleasure. ..The lil tears of black mascara rolling down her sexy porcelian cheeks...The way she turns her face when I slap her.I Love to send My sub into subspace each time we play. I Love the aftercare involved afterwards.. But she knows deep down in her that I will hurt her and mark her as Mine.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/21/2008 4:27:14 PM   
Rianne


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It's just like fisting, except this time, I've got my whole body, my whole mind, deeply inside hers. And that makes the power rush ten times more powerful, and ten times as sweet.

HawkWolf talks about the intimacy of being so deeply inside of someone, and I'm seeing that in what many others are saying.  Very intense moments can really bring a bonding unlike easier times.

I appreciate the depth of thought put into your responses.  I realize this is a highly personal topic, and appreciate your efforts at sharing.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/21/2008 11:45:33 PM   
laurell3


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ORIGINAL: TheDomInTheHat

I don't think sadism is about violence for me. It's about control and experimentation. If I do x she screams, if I do Y she squirms, If I do z she moans and begs for more. She seems to like her nipples squeezed, how hard is too hard? She loves the belt, how about the crop? She hates (although secretly loves) the clamps, I wonder if it will improve her felatio. What can I say, I'm a giver :P 


Same here.  It's really more the mad professor type mentality for me although seeing how far they will take it certainly  interests me as well.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/22/2008 7:18:56 PM   
ProlificNeeds


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Status: offline 		Being sadistic but not normally dominant about it (with the exception of one man in particular) it's hard to define. It's not control, it could be a battle for control, or I could not be in control at all, but administering pain, is the actual adrenaline pumper. Fear does more for me though, so I guess my sadism is more about invoking fear and unsettling someone, than about making them feel extream pain or scream their throat raw.
I guess I'm a bit of a suspense junkie, knowing I'm the source of that thrill inside someone else. When it comes to the one individual I've actually been dominant towards, I love the way he fears what I'll do but at the same time craves it. Moth to a flame syndrome makes me want to study and pick him apart like a bug under glass.

This is probably a poor explination as I never really studied the urges, I just act upon them when the time comes to let the meanie out.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/22/2008 8:27:05 PM   
SixFootMaster


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Status: offline 		What's sadism to me? It's an orchestral work that resonates through me like sound board. It's being alive, intoxicated, exultant. It's a sublime taste of power and an intimate awareness that her nerves are on fire, it's the ecstatic pleasure of holding her mind and heart in my hand and being able to not only do as I please but to manipulate every perception, sensation, trigger, to get the result I desire.

It's the weight of the flogger, the sound it makes in the air, that frozen instant of delicious contact that precipitates that rearing of muscle as her body reacts. It's the explosive gasp forced from her sweet mouth and throat, the widening of the eyes, the shiver that transgresses her. It's the way she flexes her fingers as she writhes from the torment half lifting to it, half pulling away.

It's being alive, eyes shining, body lit from within, as I gaze down at her, and feel the vivid vibrant pulse of her feelings and the intimate understanding just what to do next to rip away her control and throw her deeply into subspace.

It's impossible to seperate out what Sadism is into one single thing. At least for me.


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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/22/2008 8:53:20 PM   
Kana


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Status: offline 		What is sadism to me?

The intentional infliction of pain on another.

It should be noted at the outset that I am a provocateur, I enjoy making people squirm in many areas of my life, not just BDSM.I have always put others on the spot to see what reactions can be elicited from certain stimuli, when I was younger I thought it was just an examination into human nature, now I see it as the beginnings into the exploration of the nuances and usages of power.  

The way it feels is tremendous; it is the highest high that I know. Circling a bound woman, knowing that with a touch I can bring her to pleasure and pain, agony and ecstasy, that I  control the depth of her torment or the giving of bliss, what could be a headier tonic to imbibe?

To know that she has surrendered herself to me to do with as I will, out of hope, desire, passion, need, and to play upon these things carefully, subtly, watching every twitch, every reaction, the measure of her breath, the pulse at the base of her neck. To watch her quiver at a touch and whimper at a blow and to know that I am in control of it all, it is breathtaking. I dance on the razors edge.  

As I move through a “scene” I am falling into a zone. People talk about subspace all the time, but I become completely tunnel-visioned in on her, the outside world ceases to exist. All that I am becomes focused in the now, the immediacy of the next act, the next motion. It is akin to a meditative trance state but deeper because it is shared. I have crashed hard after lengthy extreme play and it can be a brutal experience coming back into the world.  

I used to scroll scenes in that I knew what I was doing when and how. As I have gotten older I tend to pick out one or two toys out of the chest and use those exclusively, often these are common household items. The last time I was at the Crucible I used pliers, a feather duster and a rope, that’s all, but it was more than sufficient. The actual interaction is a dance, some art, some creativity, some repetition dictated by a juxtaposing of her reactions and my whims. I intersperse sensation play with pain, arousal with control, switching back and forth, bringing her deeper down but always unpredictable.  

The things I always focus on are breathing, body temperature, and capacity to react internally. I ask questions, talk, run a string of banter, but I am always touching, grasping her hand, and watching reaction times. I know I am in the right spot when she can sense my presence even bound, blindfolded and hooded. When the bond has grown so tight that she can feel me we are working together in twain. When the slightest brush of a hand makes her arc, when sensations are amplified, and when she is whimpering and quivering she is mine, mine, all mine and I am all that is in the world to her.  

Does that help?  

Edited for spacing...grrr, damn formatting issues.       


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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/23/2008 7:27:14 PM   
Noah


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

For me it's not "perving" on the idea, it's wanting to have as great an understanding as possible of my Master's perspective.  The better I understand him, the better I can serve him.  And since I simply love his lust, I like knowing what brings him that lust.


The sentence I've bolded above may apply very nicely to your current relationship, ownedgirlie. Since that is apparently your thing I'm happy that you've found a place to realize it.

No one should imagine, though, that the bolded sentence would apply across the board. It is one of those claims which has the ring of self-evidence but happens to be false in  various sorts of cases.

 

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/23/2008 7:35:35 PM   
Leatherist


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Status: offline 		A big part of Sadism is a power drive. Which makes it difficult for someone who does not enjoy taking sexual power to understand in many cases. I like taking away physical control and "doing things" to people.

It excites me, because it gives me the ability to direct and control thier world for a little bit. But it's very closely tied to my sex drive,and when that is sated-my desire for the control goes with it.  No lingering desire to control beyond that point.

Which is exactly why I am a "top" and not a "master".

I know myself.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/23/2008 8:44:03 PM   
AbsitInvidia


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Status: offline 		Hmm, not to be a Nazi - but "Twain" means two, but usually in the sense of two things which remain eternally distinct:

Romeo and Juliet : "You and my heart are twain"

"And never the twain shall meet"


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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/23/2008 8:58:36 PM   
Rianne


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Status: offline 		Kana and 6Foot.....wow.  Wow.  How incredibly intimate and intense, and erotic.

What a dance it is.  And yes, what you write helps.  This is making sooooo much more sense to me.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/23/2008 11:44:59 PM   
Arpig


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Status: offline 		It is very difficult to say, as it varies. Sometimes I enjoy the fact that my partner enjoys the pain, and other times I do not. Sometimes I like to cause enough pain that my partner no longer enjoys it, and other times I like to keep things enjoyable to all concerned.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/25/2008 7:09:03 AM   
Kana


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Status: offline 		Maybe I should have said tandem.

But the intent of the sentence was exactly as it sounded, that the two participants are working together.

Sigh, Pharisees, they see the spirit but choose to stick to the letter.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/25/2008 12:38:40 PM   
AbsitInvidia


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Status: offline 		Or inter-twined , that one is good too.

Adolf SixFoot


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What most people call rights are merely social norms, they are expectations - but expectations can and will be violated on a daily basis. On her knees. In the mud. Hard, and savagely. Expectations likes it like that.

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RE: Sadistic Pleasure - 1/30/2008 7:36:29 PM   
Rianne


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Status: offline 		I got what you meant, Kana.

Thanks to everyone for their replies to my question.

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