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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:15:40 PM

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It already has a name, nostalgia. The wistful looking back at something that never existed in reality the way it does in memory.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:20:55 PM

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Thanks for the question, Michael, and you and I got wayyyyyyy back, so I'll bet you can guess my words before I even type them! We're that close!

Anyway, during the years of the original formation of BDSM/D/s/M/s, WIITWD--and all of the other super-secret acronyms--as concepts (twasn't even a "lifestyle" yet, you silly little twits), and I remember you, Michael, said to my Master, John(ny Depp), "Why don't we become the first kinksters and teach those that follow our ways; while we will be reviled by society, (let's call it 'vanilla' society), we will be revered by our followers; we may be exiled by the mainstream, but we'll be exalted by our own kind." And My Sir John(ny Depp) answered you, do you remember, my good friend? He said, "Kay."

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:23:19 PM

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Hello SimplyMichael. In the "time dropping" thingie, should be included older people who are newbies but let people think they have "20-30 years" experience by saying absolutely nothing? Is that "stealth time dropping"? RL

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:29:00 PM

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Hello SimplyMichael. In the "time dropping" thingie, should be included older people who are newbies but let people think they have "20-30 years" experience by saying absolutely nothing? Is that "stealth time dropping"? RL

Edit: typo

We can see experience in the words people use?

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:31:33 PM

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I think it has a place in the conversation, but it ought to be taken with the same grain of salt as a guy playing space invaders at the arcade and telling the kid playing Guitar hero that he is useless and that video games aren't what they once were. Yes, time does tend to mean you have experience, but where I have seeen, once you pass a point, say, oh 4 or 5 years. Especially as a dom, your experiences are repeats or outright the same. There are people around who have been in the lifestyle 20+ years, and there is respect to be given with that, but at the same time, I wouldn't give my grandfather who fought in WWII the controls to a sidewinder missile when he has spent the last 50 years enjoying his M-1. As far as I'm concerned 20 years of experience in MOST cases, not all, is simply the same year of experience over and over. There are exceptions but there's something to be said for mixing youthful novelty and some new ideas and maybe time finds a way to do it better that you're not wild about, that doesn't make it any less better.

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I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this in the slightest. You make the more experienced sound like they are just doing the same thing over and over and never try anything new. Imagination doesn't come from young or old. It comes from the quality of the imagination itself.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:34:14 PM

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We have all heard of "name dropping" which in general means using the names of others to provide authority/experience/knowledge to yourself rather than earn it directly through your own actions. While cheesy, it does at least have the advantage that it can be verified.

I want to add a new term to the BDSM lexicon, "time dropping" which is much more insidious because it cannot be verified. "I remember when honor/respect/martians was better/deeper/harder etc." or whatever other bullshit the poster is spreading.

A person's opinion should stand on its own and not need the shoulders of people or in this case, the past, real or imagined to give it weight. Of course talking about people you know and times past have their place but like identifying pornography you might not be able to write the perfect definition but you can recognize it when you see it...

So, "time dropping"...yeah or nay?

yes fabulous please go to the urban dictionary and suggest it as a new defintion.
It must be telepathy or zeitgeist as i was just thinking this myself this afternoon. not in exactly the same way but i was thinking what does the term 'experience in the lifestyle' really mean? i am bored by those who say stuff like well i have 25 years of experience in the lifestyle etc....
i heard this recenttly from a dom who said: I have 25 years of experience in the lifestyle but my suib is very very new, as if apologising for her. Now i am chronologically much older than my Master and although i would say i have had many, (well a few....well probably one too many) Doms, i have never accepted mastery and so i would have to say i was His new slave. Does this mean that my experience in being submissive, which is all my entire life is either relevant or irrelevant as every experience feels like new with Master P. No one encounter is ever the same.
Yes: time dropping i think is a brilliant term and refers to a type of bdsm snobbery..............and actually i would like to be new, a novice, a beginner, a trainee, a tabla rasa and feel each encounter as if it were the first....
i LOVE talking temporal bdsm.......

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:37:49 PM

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Hello Justme696. Sometimes...but you have to listen verrry carefully. But I would not just go on that alone. RL.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:41:34 PM

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It already has a name, nostalgia. The wistful looking back at something that never existed in reality the way it does in memory.

no no no
i would submit the term time dropping to the urban dictionary, as suggested, and write up nostalgia as an antonym....
and give retro kink a go at inclusion as well....as the real times were real times before cyber and text and virtual kink ever existed....

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:50:02 PM

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Now that I have that little comment out of the way, I'll take a stab at the OP.

Michael, how then, would you suppose it would be better to answer a direct question? For example, I was discussing a scene that I did recently, and the way the thread was going, in My view, it looked like credit for teaching Me a certain style was being given to person 'X', rather than person 'Y', where it belonged. Since I didn't want it to be misleading, I went back and made the correction to give the credit. That could be seen as name dropping, but I felt it was appropriate, given the situation.

The 'time dropping' thought could be looked at in the same way. If someone asks how long a person has been doing a certain activity, how would you suppose to answer that without being specific? Sure, you can give answers such as, "for a while" or "a year or two", but that doesn't exactly give a perspective bottom a good frame of reference. I'm very much of the mind that any potential play (or more) partner should be able to have a firm grasp on what kind of experience a Top has before agreeing to an activity. I know if it were My ass on the cross, I'd want to know whether or not the Top has enough real experience to hit the mark.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:57:03 PM

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That is SO right on Michael. Just the other day, Me, Genghis Khan, the Marquis and Pauline Reage were sitting around talking about how no one has done B/D/S/M right since the 12th, 18th, 20th and 21st Centuries.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:58:19 PM

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(With apologies to Sir Paul.....)
Once upon a time there was a dungeon
Where we used to raise a cane or two
Remember how we screamed away the hours
And dreamed of all the kinky things to do

Those were the lays my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd whip and domme forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fist and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way.
B D S M la la
Those were the lays, oh yes those were the lays....

somebody else continue it.....please....i've got a experience in the lifestyle to get on with.....

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 1:59:13 PM

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That is SO right on Michael. Just the other day, Me, Genghis Khan, the Marquis and Pauline Reage were sitting around talking about how no one has done B/D/S/M right since the 12th, 18th, 20th and 21st Centuries.

--E.

Hey, I was there for that. By the way, you guys so stiffed me on the check. "Going to use the bathroom as a group", my ass!

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 2:01:21 PM

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Hello SimplyMichael. In the "time dropping" thingie, should be included older people who are newbies but let people think they have "20-30 years" experience by saying absolutely nothing? Is that "stealth time dropping"? RL

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We can see experience in the words people use?

Not at the rates Time Out charge per word in personals....i can no longer afford to advertise myself.....

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 2:03:11 PM

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That is SO right on Michael. Just the other day, Me, Genghis Khan, the Marquis and Pauline Reage were sitting around talking about how no one has done B/D/S/M right since the 12th, 18th, 20th and 21st Centuries.

--E.

REPLY: Littlesarbonn: Hey, I was there for that. By the way, you guys so stiffed me on the check. "Going to use the bathroom as a group", my ass!

HA HA HA. That Marquis, such a teaser. By the way, ls, according to Genghis, the check wasn't the only thing that was "stiffed" at that lunch. You always did attract the Mongol boys.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 2:24:35 PM

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Time can be necessary or, at least, helpful information to give when those of us who have 'been around for awhile' talk of our early experiences. Sometimes, it helps to frame our experiences within the historical perspective of when they took place. It seems to me to be especially helpful when speaking in this medium, where there is an audience made up of some who have never known life without computers and the Internet and others who were around and looking to connect with others, long before the benefit of these 'new fangled, high tech devices' were available.

You know, there are some of us who were experiencing BDSM before the Internet and the only way to find a BDSM club was to know someone who knew someone. And, the only way to find BDSM products was to find an 'adult book store', which was usually in a less than attractive part of town. And, the only way to meet someone who was into BDSM was by luck. You couldn't just sit down an a keyboard in the privacy of your bedroom and "Google" BDSM. Later on, the free "City Papers" started appearing, and you could pick one up and go to the back pages for the personals and adult ads. Things were different 'back then' and i don't see anything wrong in referencing a prior era when speaking of 'how things used to be'.

As far as using time or names to add credibility to someone's claims of this or that expertise or knowledge, etc., that's all well and good, but i am of the "show me" school of thought.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 2:25:56 PM

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Anyway, during the years of the original formation of BDSM/D/s/M/s, WIITWD--and all of the other super-secret acronyms--as concepts (twasn't even a "lifestyle" yet, you silly little twits), and I remember you, Michael, said to my Master, John(ny Depp), "Why don't we become the first kinksters and teach those that follow our ways; while we will be reviled by society, (let's call it 'vanilla' society), we will be revered by our followers; we may be exiled by the mainstream, but we'll be exalted by our own kind." And My Sir John(ny Depp) answered you, do you remember, my good friend? He said, "Kay."

Good times.

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That is SO right on Michael. Just the other day, Me, Genghis Khan, the Marquis and Pauline Reage were sitting around talking about how no one has done B/D/S/M right since the 12th, 18th, 20th and 21st Centuries.

--E.

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Littlesarbonn:
Hey, I was there for that. By the way, you guys so stiffed me on the check. "Going to use the bathroom as a group", my ass!

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HA HA HA. That Marquis, such a teaser. By the way, ls, according to Genghis, the check wasn't the only thing that was "stiffed" at that lunch. You always did attract the Mongol boys.

E.

You guys are wacked

To SimplyMichael: i can see where this can be a problem and an irritation but i refuse to take this that seriously. i could care less what people claim here on the forums...and when i meet someone, i don't tolerate that kind of shit to begin with. There are times when name and time dropping are quite appropriate and authentic...when people are bragging or posturing, it shows in their energy~

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 3:30:34 PM

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I call someone doing that The Flux Capacitator, the machine responsible for time travel in Back to the Future.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 4:37:56 PM

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I call someone doing that The Flux Capacitator, the machine responsible for time travel in Back to the Future.

Maybe it's just the meds, but I'm not sure I followed this whole dialogue.

If someone was actually doing something X number of years ago, they're entitled on base an opinion on that experience. It doesn't mean they're "right," just that they hold an opinion that the rest of us can agree or disagree with.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 4:45:07 PM

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I have been around awhile and done of lot of innovative things in the real-world scene for more than 20 years.

I am still taking initiatives in new directions. I do not repeat the same thing umpteen times, that's boring and you don't learn much.

I give respect where I consider respect's due; whether they started last week or as a late friend did, in the 1930s.

I don't expect respect for being around that time; but if people express their appreciative of what I/we've done in that time it's good.

I have met some who've made much of their time in the scene, and some who've wasted themselves and others.

But knocking unspecified others for admitting they were around when you were a kid, does not seem sensible or respectful.

It's the old tactic of setting up a straw man, and then trying to make yourself look big by knocking it down; pretty childish, IMHO.

Just take everyone on 'who' and 'what' they are, and what they've done 'in the round'. Those most worthy of respect, are often the quiet ones.

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RE: Name Dropping and a New Term "Time Dropping" - 1/18/2008 5:17:55 PM

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So you are basically saying that people with verifiable experience......are what?

As opposed to online message board personaas very few of us know-who gripe?

And have a tiny fraction of the real life experience that they do?

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