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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 10:21:27 AM   
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I myself equally dislike the Democrats and the Republicans these days!
Both parties have sold us out.

I have to flip a coin to decide who I like least every day.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 10:29:17 AM   
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You make valid points, and I enjoy hearing all opinions.
I am not offended in the least.
 
That is the beauty of being in America, we are all free to voice our opinions.
We all know that declaring this a National Holiday, was a very political move.

So what, it is a Holiday, for whatever reasons!
Let freedom ring!


Hiya Mia,

Thanks for the nice words.  As a white person, I've often felt the acute frustration of other races when it comes to the issues of equality.  It's difficult to speak out against something like MLK's birthday, because on the surface it may appear to be racially motivated.  When I lived in Latin America, I had a healthy taste of the other side of the coin; I had shopkeepers and restaurants refuse to serve me because I was a Gringo.  Having said that, I've had both friends and lovers of every size and color.  I never thought "I'm off to see my black bitch" I thought "I'm off to see my bitch!"

Yet the comment of 'who cares why it's a holiday, we get the day off work, yay!' is exactly why I don't think it should be a holiday.  I think the point of a holiday should be something important enough that the entire nation shuts it's business doors to do something important.  If most people were already taking the day off work or school to go celebrate MLK's birthday, I'd agree that it should be made a holiday.  As is, the only celebration that seems to be made about today is that we all have the day off.  Coming only a few weeks on the heels of the Christmas holiday, I think this is an irresponsible time to 'just take a day off.'

Warm Regards,

Stephan

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 10:30:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dr King was smart enough to not attach to a Political Party.  He supportted aspects championed by both Dems and Reps, and crticised both also.  Both Parties find much in his teachings that they agree with, and he would have harsh words for both.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 10:34:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you Stephan, I appreciate it.
In my heart of hearts, I feel it is a good Holiday as long as
we try to remember WHY we celebrate Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
I would not mind including all the non-violent great leaders from history
on this day {Gandhi} etc.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 10:40:28 AM   
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one place I worked= figured one got 6 holiday day days. you decide where they are. [which day]

We could get rid of columbus day, presidents day, flag day, combine the 4th w vet and mem.   Thanksgiving says it all and one doesnt go to mall for that.

then there is cinco de mayo, may day, hitlers birthday.

then ad national greeting card week. pretzle week.... and silly proclaimations the congress does -per the peoples business. oh- arbor day is a total joke.  [plant a twig after clear cutting the redwoods and rain forest!, fricken gag me]
world aids day,  grandparenst day.   heck- kitchen sink day-

now that i offended everyone... il end this reply. ;-)

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 10:43:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, Mia, I completely agree.  The point, for me, is that as long as the holiday is relevant and not just an excuse to get up late on a Monday, I'm all for it.  I'm not Christian, but enough people are (or Jewish) that Christmas holidays are obviously a good thing.  Other days (Columbus day, for example) to me have no real place in our national holiday system.  If we start shelling out holidays just to stop working, next thing we know there's no work being done and we plunge further into economic misery.

N stuff.

Anyway, have a great day.

Stephan
(Who's gonna enjoy MLK's birthday by drinking a nice frothy one to him.)


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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 10:45:31 AM   
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--locally kids have off for hunting, and the bloomsburg fair.

one place I worked= figured one got 6 holiday day days. you decide where they are. [which day]

We could get rid of columbus day, presidents day, flag day, combine the 4th w vet and mem.   Thanksgiving says it all and one doesnt go to mall for that.

then there is cinco de mayo, may day, hitlers birthday.

then ad national greeting card week. pretzle week.... and silly proclaimations the congress does -per the peoples business. oh- arbor day is a total joke.  [plant a twig after clear cutting the redwoods and rain forest!, fricken gag me]
world aids day,  grandparenst day.   heck- kitchen sink day-

now that i offended everyone... il end this reply. ;-)


Well you did not offend me, lol.
On message boards, you are actually allowed to have divergent opinions {usually}.
Imagine that? You can actually be a divergent thinker!

I often don't read the posts from the "gang" feel good, aren't we all so damn special
and great group thinkers.
 
The French have nothing on us!
They know how to get time off!
 
 France: Less Work, More Time Off , How The French Get Months Off Without Taking A Pay Cut - CBS News

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 11:12:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe if the French had been working a little harder before 1940, they wouldn't have been overrun by their neighbors.

Though I think this speaks (in part) to the heart of the vacation debate.  Americans are happy to work their asses off, because it helps to ensure their 'number one superpower' position in the world.  Personally, I'm all for more vacations and less taxes.  Sadly, my vote (not my voice, just my vote) is alone in this.  Americans talk about how angry they are with their taxes, but elect the same politicians they blame for wasting it.

Go figure,

Stephan


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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 11:14:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stephann, even though most Americans are working hard, are you
really saying we are NOT being run over by our neighbors?

Oh popeye, where are you?

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 11:27:54 AM   
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Well you did not offend me, lol.
On message boards, you are actually allowed to have divergent opinions {usually}.
Imagine that? You can actually be a divergent thinker!

I often don't read the posts from the "gang" feel good, aren't we all so damn special
and great group thinkers.
 
The French have nothing on us!
They know how to get time off!
 
 France: Less Work, More Time Off , How The French Get Months Off Without Taking A Pay Cut - CBS News

MzMia:
Lets see...
Up to 8 weeks of vacation a year.
Thirty five hour work week.
No overtime.
Higher productivity per capita than U.S. workers.
One of the five largest economies on the planet.
How do dem dam frogs do dat?
Oh yeah they have quit squandering their blood and money on wars of aggression.
What a bizarre concept.
What do you think are the chances of it working here?
thompson
 
 

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 11:37:30 AM   
MzMia


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things that make ya go, humm

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 11:39:31 AM   
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Maybe if the French had been working a little harder before 1940, they wouldn't have been overrun by their neighbors.
This would speak directly to your ignorance of the facts concerning that conflict.

Though I think this speaks (in part) to the heart of the vacation debate.  Americans are happy to work their asses off, because it helps to ensure their 'number one superpower' position in the world.
I think it speaks more directly to consumerism pimped by Madison ave.
 
  Personally, I'm all for more vacations and less taxes.
Me too.
 
  Sadly, my vote (not my voice, just my vote) is alone in this.
You do not walk this road alone...I am with you 102%.  Vote early and often.
 
  Americans talk about how angry they are with their taxes, but elect the same politicians they blame for wasting it.
That I ascribe to the "football game" mentality of voting.  That is... voting for what you don't want just so you can be on the winning team.

Go figure,

Stephan


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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 11:48:48 AM   
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thompsonx,
things that make ya go, humm

MzMia:
Dang....I just luv it when you do that.
thompson

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 12:15:42 PM   
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I do feel that MLK had an important impact on our country.  Yet MLK wasn't the messiah, founder of our country, or discoverer of the continent we live in.  In fact, Lincoln's (who actually issued the emancipation proclamation) birthday is lumped together with Washingtons, and celebrated in February instead of his actual birthday (April.)  And finally, national holidays that celebrate individuals are usually established nearly a century after their death.

I don't, personally, feel that King meets the standard of national, annual recognition.  In no way am I suggesting his impact was trivial; rather, I feel the movment whom he represented had several important leaders and symbols, and the focus on King detracts from their accomplishments.  I would prefer to see the day represented through history as a 'national equality day' of some sorts.  Unfortunately, the soundbites for NED probably wouldn't be as catchy.

MLK's birthday, IMO, is representative of our new, sound-bite, media blitz world.  Personally, my belief is that equality for all will only come when we stop recognizing black men (or white men, or yellow men, or red men, or green men) who were important, and simply recognizing men who were important.

Regards to all (regardless of color)

Stephan


If it matters at all, I am in complete agreement here. But give it some time. The life and legacy of MLK is still relatively new in our country's history, and we have a long way to go before before we can call ourselves civilized and progressive when it comes to race relations. I suspect sometime in the next 50 years we'll have another 'awakening' and instead of celebrating another birthday, we'll create the NED of sorts you speak of. It is inevitable and only a matter of time, just as with Presidents Day.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 12:41:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sadly, not everyone is in a brotherly mood on Dr. King's day:

JENA, La. - About 50 white separatists protested the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday Monday in this tiny town, that was thrust into the spotlight months ago by 20,000 demonstrators who claimed prosecutors discriminated against blacks.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080121/ap_on_re_us/jena_six;_ylt=AkGaIgQ7oNCTRBotXNEZiPhH2ocA

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 12:46:00 PM   
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One of the five largest economies on the planet.
How do dem dam frogs do dat?


It's because The United States (for the most part) and Great Britian (to a lesser but still important extent) actually provide for their defense and protect their interests and shipping fleets world wide.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 12:48:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not really that versed on Jena, La, but there seems to be
some serious racial issues going on down there.
 
As bad as it is down there now Level, you really can't imagine what it
was like for Black people years ago.
 


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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 1:06:37 PM   
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One of the five largest economies on the planet.
How do dem dam frogs do dat?


It's because The United States (for the most part) and Great Britian (to a lesser but still important extent) actually provide for their defense and protect their interests and shipping fleets world wide.

FatDomDaddy:
Why don't you tell us just what treaty we or Great Britain have signed with France that would require us to come to their aid should ...say the Burmese navy attack the far flung commercial fleet of France?  As for protecting the French homeland from attack we cannot even secure the city of Baghdad with the exception of the Green Zone....how would we possible be able to protect a country the size of France.
According to the CIA France should not need any help defending herself.
According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely):
1. USA
2. China
3. Germany
4. India
5. France
6. Russia
7. UK
8. Italy
9. Israel
10. Pakistan
The above is taken from the following website.
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/30-14422.aspx
thompson


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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 1:11:30 PM   
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In fact, Lincoln's (who actually issued the emancipation proclamation) birthday is lumped together with Washingtons, and celebrated in February instead of his actual birthday (April.) 


According to the White House site, Lincoln was born on February 12, 1809. You may be thinking of his death, Stephan. That was April 15, 1865.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 1:15:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MzMia

thompsonx,
things that make ya go, humm

MzMia:
Dang....I just luv it when you do that.
thompson


Maybe that will be the way to get you to let ME spank you?
I can say hummmm while I spank your butt.


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