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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 1:27:38 PM   
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thompsonx,
things that make ya go, humm

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Dang....I just luv it when you do that.
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In all the times you have perved my profile I am sure you have noticed that spankin' my butt is not on my list of preferred pleasures
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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 1:29:16 PM   
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 Not yet, but just wait "my pretty".
 

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 2:22:10 PM   
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I am not really that versed on Jena, La, but there seems to be
some serious racial issues going on down there.
 
As bad as it is down there now Level, you really can't imagine what it
was like for Black people years ago.
 


I grew up down there and I'll tell you what it was like 30yrs ago. Honest to god, this is a true story.

When I was in elementary school, my father was stationed at England AFB in Alexandria, La, about 40 miles from Jena. It is the place where many of the race riots over the Jena 6 have taken place.

I attended North Bayou Rapides Elementary, a school of about 600 and predominantly white, with only a handful of blacks (3 or 4 maybe). Two of them I remember very well. Patricia Henry was in my third grade class. She was bright, talkative, friendly, always making noise and interrupting the teacher. She was funny in a class clown kind of way, but today she would probably be considered ADHD. The teacher kept her isolated from the rest of the class with her desk in the back of the classroom up against the wall. Her older brother (whose name escapes me) was in the sixth grade.

One weekend her brother and his friend were playing with a handgun and accidently shot Patricia in the chest. She died the next morning. When we returned to school the following Monday, an announcement was made about Patricia's death, we had a moment of silence, and then nothing more was said about the incident. I was absolutely horrified and really wanted to make sense of it all. All I kept thinking about was what it must be like to be dead, I wondered if she had felt any pain or suffered, I wanted to know if she had a chance to talk to her family before she died, and I wanted to know if she was in heaven. There was no one I could talk to, not even my parents. No one from the school attended the memorial or the funeral. I remember a couple of times I started to cry when I looked over at her desk, but the teacher would send me to the bathroom to wash my face and then rejoin the class. Although I was only 8, I knew that I wasn't supposed to feel sad because she was black.

A week later, her brother was back at school. The first time I saw him, he was in the lunch line in the cafeteria. I stared at him for the longest time, maybe half expecting him to break down in tears at any moment. He sat at a table by himself, a few kids stopped over to make idle chat with him, but mostly he kept to himself and seemed very sad. I wanted to go tell him how bad I felt for his sister, but I didn't think he'd talk to me because I was only in third grade, and of course, because I was white.

I don't think many people in this country understand that this is often how racism exists. It's not always hate speech, skin heads, Confederate flags, separate drinking fountains, or racial slurs and epithets. Sometimes it's as simple as lack of empathy. I was not surprised when I saw the state of race relations in Jena and Alexandria this past summer. Nothing has changed in 35 years. Empathy and compassion are taught, and it has to start with the kids.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 2:46:28 PM   
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Nothing has changed in 35 years. Empathy and compassion are taught, and it has to start with the kids.


I would disagree. I think there is more empathy and compassion, and less racism, than there was. But there's a long way to go.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 4:01:22 PM   
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Nothing has changed in 35 years. Empathy and compassion are taught, and it has to start with the kids.


I would disagree. I think there is more empathy and compassion, and less racism, than there was. But there's a long way to go.

Level, I wish I shared your optimism. I wonder sometimes what ever became of Patricia's brother. It is possible that he has kids who are teenagers or maybe young adults. What has he taught them about white people? More importantly, all of those white kids I went to school with, what have they taught their children about blacks? Is it any wonder that the white teens who hung the noose on the tree in the school yard in Jena coud not empathize with the feelings of their black classmates, the same way their parents were taught not to feel empathy for Patricia or her brother? Is it any wonder that the black Jena 6 felt it OK to pick any white kid to pummel half to death? Tell me, what has changed in 35 years?

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 4:10:09 PM   
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Nothing has changed in 35 years. Empathy and compassion are taught, and it has to start with the kids.


I would disagree. I think there is more empathy and compassion, and less racism, than there was. But there's a long way to go.

Level, I wish I shared your optimism. I wonder sometimes what ever became of Patricia's brother. It is possible that he has kids who are teenagers or maybe young adults. What has he taught them about white people? More importantly, all of those white kids I went to school with, what have they taught their children about blacks? Is it any wonder that the white teens who hung the noose on the tree in the school yard in Jena coud not empathize with the feelings of their black classmates, the same way their parents were taught not to feel empathy for Patricia or her brother? Is it any wonder that the black Jena 6 felt it OK to pick any white kid to pummel half to death? Tell me, what has changed in 35 years?


I live in a part of Texas that has a long, nasty history of race issues. The James Byrd dragging, the Klan in Vidor....  but things are better. Far more white people stand up to such hatred than they once did.  But it's hard to see the good sometimes when there is still such bad to be dealt with, I know.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 4:21:19 PM   
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I live in a part of Texas that has a long, nasty history of race issues. The James Byrd dragging, the Klan in Vidor....  but things are better. Far more white people stand up to such hatred than they once did.  But it's hard to see the good sometimes when there is still such bad to be dealt with, I know.

Yes, I know these stories. But this is not what I was talking about. Even the rednecks in the part of Texas where I live would stand up against overt racism. It's the kind I saw as a kid in Alexandria, like in my story, that still exists and at least for La, has not changed in 35 years. What happened in Jena is proof of that.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 4:29:06 PM   
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i dont necessarily see your story as a racist thing that happened.  i had a white friend shot by a white friend when i was in 7th grade-it was announced and a moment of silence held, then we were also sent to the bathroom to wash our faces if we cried.  it wasnt discussed at home, none of us were allowed to go to the funeral.

it wasnt discussed at school either.  i think it was more how things were dealt with then than racism.  nowadays, they would have grief counselors on hand for a week and it would be on the news, but things were just handled differently back then, no matter what race was involved.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 4:29:30 PM   
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Well, let's hope things move in the right direction, then. There are many ways racism shows up, quite true.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 4:29:37 PM   
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MzMia:
Lets see...
Up to 8 weeks of vacation a year.
Thirty five hour work week.
No overtime.
Higher productivity per capita than U.S. workers.
One of the five largest economies on the planet.
How do dem dam frogs do dat?
Oh yeah they have quit squandering their blood and money on wars of aggression.
What a bizarre concept.
What do you think are the chances of it working here?
thompson
 
 


Je vous montrerai, Thompy...

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 4:34:13 PM   
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I live in Chicago.....not quite Boston....but still a segregated city.Domiguy might have a different perspective but I have seen things improve greatly. I think it is largely a function of economy. In this city it used to be if a black person moved into your neighborhood ALL the white people left in a hurry. That has changed and now maybe......jusy maybe people are learning to live together a little more

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 4:50:58 PM   
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i dont necessarily see your story as a racist thing that happened.  i had a white friend shot by a white friend when i was in 7th grade-it was announced and a moment of silence held, then we were also sent to the bathroom to wash our faces if we cried.  it wasnt discussed at home, none of us were allowed to go to the funeral.

it wasnt discussed at school either.  i think it was more how things were dealt with then than racism.  nowadays, they would have grief counselors on hand for a week and it would be on the news, but things were just handled differently back then, no matter what race was involved.

There is no question that things of this nature were handled a little differently back then, but there is also no question about the air of 'separate but equal' that existed  in small towns in the south back then just as now. I distinctly remember feeling at 8 yrs old that I could not openly mourn for her or ask questions because she was black. Years later I discussed this incident with my older sister who was in the same grade as Patricia's brother at the time, and she also remembers feeling the same way. She even told me once that she wanted to hug him when he returned to school but knew that it would be inappropriate because he was black.
From the mouths of babes...

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 5:24:57 PM   
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Nothing has changed in 35 years. Empathy and compassion are taught, and it has to start with the kids.


I would disagree. I think there is more empathy and compassion, and less racism, than there was. But there's a long way to go.


You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 5:26:53 PM   
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brainiacsub? I tried to email you, but you have no profile.
Feel free to email me, if you like.
 
Thank you so much for such a riveting story about racism.
What a sad story, and 30 years later they are still have similar problems down there.
 
I also love history, and many people have no real idea or concept of American history,
slavery, and how just freeing the slaves did not change many people's attitudes towards
those that were slaves.
 
During slavery, Black people were not even considered human beings, so common sense
dictates that freeing slaves, could not change many attitudes.
Anyone that thinks that American slavery was no big thing, and that we should just forget
about it, move on, everything is okay now, is entitled to their way of thinking.
 
Maybe this is a time, that those that really have no concept of what slavery was like, might
use the internet and do a search on what slavery WAS and how slaves were treated.
THEN, see what life was like after slavery for most Black people, and what the Civil Rights
Movement was about, and why Martin Luther King, Jr. was so important.
 
My parents grew up in the era of "Whites Only" restaurants, riding on the back of bus, etc.
My sister in law that is fair skinned, told me her mother used to pass for White and how
things were so much easier that way.
My Great grandmother was a little girl when slavery ended.
It really was NOT that long ago.
 
That is one reason, many could benefit from at least seeing "The Great Debaters".
Thanks for contributing so much interesting information.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 5:38:38 PM   
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brainiacsub? I tried to email you, but you have no profile.
Feel free to email me, if you like.
 
Thank you so much for such a riveting story about racism.
What a sad story, and 30 years later they are still have similar problems down there.
 
I also love history, and many people have no real idea or concept of American history,
slavery, and how just freeing the slaves did not change many people's attitudes towards
those that were slaves.
 
During slavery, Black people were not even considered human beings, so common sense
dictates that freeing slaves, could not change many attitudes.
Anyone that thinks that American slavery was no big thing, and that we should just forget
about it, move on, everything is okay now, is entitled to their way of thinking.
 
Maybe this is a time, that those that really have no concept of what slavery was like, might
use the internet and do a search on what slavery WAS and how slaves were treated.
THEN, see what life was like after slavery for most Black people, and what the Civil Rights
Movement was about, and why Martin Luther King, Jr. was so important.
 
My parents grew up in the era of "Whites Only" restaurants, riding on the back of bus, etc.
My sister in law that is fair skinned, told me her mother used to pass for White and how
things were so much easier that way.
It really was NOT that long ago.
 
That is one reason, many could benefit from at least seeing "The Great Debaters".
Thanks for contributing so much interesting information.

Thanks so much. My profile is hidden at the moment. I do need to re-activate it if I am going to post on the forums, or it won't be long before people start to consider me a troll. I'll do it tonight.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 5:46:33 PM   
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I live in Chicago.....not quite Boston....but still a segregated city.Domiguy might have a different perspective but I have seen things improve greatly. I think it is largely a function of economy. In this city it used to be if a black person moved into your neighborhood ALL the white people left in a hurry. That has changed and now maybe......jusy maybe people are learning to live together a little more

Jeff

I would ask domiguy what he thinks, but I'm afraid...you ask him. And while you're at it, ask him if he feels more comfortable in Chicago as opposed to someplace like Jena or Alexandria, La. 

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 5:49:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I live in Chicago.....not quite Boston....but still a segregated city.Domiguy might have a different perspective but I have seen things improve greatly. I think it is largely a function of economy. In this city it used to be if a black person moved into your neighborhood ALL the white people left in a hurry. That has changed and now maybe......jusy maybe people are learning to live together a little more

Jeff

I would ask domiguy what he thinks, but I'm afraid...you ask him. And while you're at it, ask him if he feels more comfortable in Chicago as opposed to someplace like Jena or Alexandria, La. 


lol
Humm I am liking this brainiacsub.
Can't wait to see his profile.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 5:50:10 PM   
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Je vous montrerai, Thompy...

kittinSol:
yes please do

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 5:54:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

I live in Chicago.....not quite Boston....but still a segregated city.Domiguy might have a different perspective but I have seen things improve greatly. I think it is largely a function of economy. In this city it used to be if a black person moved into your neighborhood ALL the white people left in a hurry. That has changed and now maybe......jusy maybe people are learning to live together a little more

Jeff

I would ask domiguy what he thinks, but I'm afraid...you ask him. And while you're at it, ask him if he feels more comfortable in Chicago as opposed to someplace like Jena or Alexandria, La. 


lol
Humm I am liking this brainiacsub.
Can't wait to see his profile.

Ummm....I hate to disappoint you, but I am a female. Does that surprise you?

The profile has been re-activated. Pics will follow later.

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RE: The Great Debate/Martin Luther King's Birthday - 1/21/2008 5:58:36 PM   
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No that does not disappoint me!
I love a woman with a brain, and you seem to have a great one.

The men will all start fighting over you soon.
lol
 
Welcome aboard!

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