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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/3/2005 6:01:26 PM

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What "ruling elite" do you mean, Mr. Sociologist?

I am referring to the "leaders". The ones who hold public office but dance to the instructions of a ruling class that has always held sway in the USA. Do you think it was an accident that the cancelling of the oil import agreement we had with Mexico enriched the wealthy Texas oilmen who got W elected?

Do you think it was a open bidding process which gave Haliburton the contracts in Iraq? Do you think it was an accident that monies werfe skimmed off from the oil-for-food program? Do you think it is racism which motivates all this?

It is money honey. Wake up and look for the money trail. Who profits...who pays?

The people who were evacuated from the high class hotels were and will continue to be necessary to the economic well-being of NO and to La. The ones left behind are an economic drain. Always have been and statistically always will be. The few exceptions are trotted out to prove that the "system" works.

If all you see is color the the colors to look for are green and gold; not black/red/white/yellow.

So your assertion is that Correlation does not equal Causation - just because the 'lower class' in this situation happens to be predominantly black, doesn't mean that they are discriminated against because of their race, it's because they are poor.

I'll take that a step further then. Who are the "leaders" you refer to? Or the "ruling class that holds sway in the USA"? What color are they?

If race was equally represented across the board of social class, do you still think these leaders would dance to the same tune? Or that the ruling class would play the same song?

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/3/2005 8:39:18 PM

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Over and over again, reading the reports this past week, I've seen the comment that the scene resembled the Third World. This resembled the Third World. That resembled the Third World.

Lovingmaster, do you really believe that New Orleans would be allowed to devolve into a scene reminiscent of the Third World if the victims were predominantly white and not black? I don't. Poor whites take a lot of shit too in this country, but I don't believe they take the same shit that poor blacks do.

I'm not pretending that it's ONLY an issue of race, but I think you are pretending that it's only an issue of money.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/3/2005 9:34:05 PM

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*To the Ranger: I knew that "quarterbacking" saying was wrong. I guess I said Monday night. *W*

I had initially wondered if maybe one of Your boys had conned you into watching too much Monday night football with them ; }

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/3/2005 11:35:55 PM

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my heart goes out to anyone suffering a tragedy such as this one regardless of colour, class, creed, etc.

My heart also has from before it even struck land! I had read before about the levee's and the Goverment saying no to monies to bring them up to code in 2002.
N-O was a favorite place for my parents to go to often. My mother was in tears with the first media feedback. Being part French American, I have relatives that spend a lot of time in that part of Louisiana and some that are residents.
So I am not speaking out of my ass.
I would like to add... I am in the underclass of humans that inhibit this Country. So what happened there did not shock me into any new realities about how certain people are treated and/or given respect in this Country.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/3/2005 11:41:44 PM

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People of colour with money might have more opportunities then people of colour without money. But they don't have as many opportunities of caucasians with money.

And people of colour without money are definitely going to be the victims of intolerance, more so then caucasians without money.

Makes perfect sense. I'll take it one step further and tell you that people of color with money (but not obviously so) will be treated in a less diginified manner than caucasians without money.
The sociologist is at the very least ignorant of racial bias, perhaps because he is more comfortable with the idea that class/money is the only thing that matters. I'd like to humbly suggest he too read some before making statements which in the end make him look uninformed.
Killing Rage, Ending Racism" by Bell Hooks
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I'm here to tell you class is Not the only thing that matters, race very much does, and while I have no intention of explaining to him all the evidence I personally (and my family) have that race matters, I wish he would at least open his mind to the possibility he is wrong.

There are a lot of influences in place to cause some people to have less money, no car, etc. The people stuck in New Orleans were the less fortunate, the less classy to him because they didn't own cars, computers/planes, but that doesn't make them any less human, and our treatment of them is no less sinful/shameful or disgraceful.
It really irritates me that the reply "money talks, bullshit walks" is satisfactory to him, even IF that were trully the ONLY reason behind our failure to save the people of New Orleans.
I told LaM I didn't want to deal with the pink elephant of race because I knew this chaos would ensue. The fact of the matter is, that even though I was looking at desperate black people, and army trucks riding by them leaving them behing yelling and begging (like animals), what broke me down emotionally was the white woman with the child who reminded me "it could have been me, but for the grace of God."

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mnottertail
We have in our shortsigtedness given a stone to our children in our haste to pass the uncomfortable positions off for 4 years and 4 more years, and vote as a populous against our best interest for a fucking fool and self-interested mutherfucker, simply because he believes in god, so at least he has a good heart or whatever asswipe caused us to be in this situation..........
Ron
Oh, and although I agree with the spirit of your post; 45 Colin Powell is not a nigger and Tom Simpson at the local hardware store is........

But when Colin goes to sleep at night.....he is too.

I agree with you completely Ron. M

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 1:59:30 AM

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I guess i'm just a hopeless dreamer. I wish that race or color didn't matter to people. At the end of the day, we all worry about the same things, whether we are black, white, asian, latino, or green with yellow polka dots. It would be nice, but sadly it isn't so. I personally don't have much confidence that it will ever be so, either.

All I know is that there are people that are hurting, of all colors, sizes and shapes. There was a series of events and circumstances that made this into a terrible tragedy for everyone.

I hurt for my fellow Black people, because my hopes for unity amongst those with whom I share great kinship still exists. I am proud to be a Black man in America, and seeing so many Black people suffering in such a horrific way really hurts me. Mind you, there are plenty of folks that aren't Black hurting, but I suppose when you see the images of despair and the feeling is invoked that you are looking in the mirror, that makes it hurt that much more.

But also, one of the reasons that my hope isn't deterred is because of my friends: An illegal immigrant from Mexico, a Korean guy from Houston, a half white-half Mexican Rastafarian from New Mexico, a big Scottish guy, a Spaniard, and two Anglo-American guys from the Midwest. I'm a little Black guy from "da hood" in San Antonio, my Luvdragon is a beautiful Black woman from "da hood", and I asked all of these folks if they wanted to help. And the answer was: "How can we help? We'll do what we can."

That keeps my hope alive. Hopes for the people that look like me and talk like me, and hopes for the people that don't. I just hope that we can help those that need it.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 5:43:26 AM

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Dear M,
Exactly what you said and quoted. You did it with alot more class than I did tho.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 6:20:41 AM

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I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later, someone was going to throw the race card out there. What an utter waste of space and line of bullshit. Let's look back shall we? The population of New Orleans knew on thursday that the levees weren't going to hold, the mayor was on the T.V. telling people to get the hell out that they KNEW the levees wouldn't hold. People have been reported on the news during live interviews that they stayed so they could loot. The N.O. Department of Transportation opened the bus lines starting on thursday, picking up anyone for FREE who wanted to evacuate. Read that again, for FREE. All they had to do was walk to the station and get on the bus.
As for the military driving by all those poor unfortunates, did you ever stop to wonder where they were going?? To hospitals mainly.
I am so over this racist bullshit. The military response time was as prompt as they could make it, how easy do you think it was to rally that many troops and get them there? It's so easy for you people to sit in judgement from your comfy lil houses while you watch the horror from your T.V. and pick apart this disaster.
Let's talk a bit more about the ones who stayed. Some of them are looters, they are stealing plasma t.v.'s and jewelry...now let me ask you, if it were you what would you be taking? I'll admit I'd be stealing too if I had to, mainly food and clothing for my kid.
This horrible thing that happened has NOTHING to do with race and how dare you poeple take this tragedy and turn it into something so fucking petty? It makes me sick.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 8:34:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kindred2Evil

I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later, someone was going to throw the race card out there. What an utter waste of space and line of bullshit. Let's look back shall we? The population of New Orleans knew on thursday that the levees weren't going to hold, the mayor was on the T.V. telling people to get the hell out that they KNEW the levees wouldn't hold. People have been reported on the news during live interviews that they stayed so they could loot. The N.O. Department of Transportation opened the bus lines starting on thursday, picking up anyone for FREE who wanted to evacuate. Read that again, for FREE. All they had to do was walk to the station and get on the bus.
As for the military driving by all those poor unfortunates, did you ever stop to wonder where they were going?? To hospitals mainly.
I am so over this racist bullshit. The military response time was as prompt as they could make it, how easy do you think it was to rally that many troops and get them there? It's so easy for you people to sit in judgement from your comfy lil houses while you watch the horror from your T.V. and pick apart this disaster.
Let's talk a bit more about the ones who stayed. Some of them are looters, they are stealing plasma t.v.'s and jewelry...now let me ask you, if it were you what would you be taking? I'll admit I'd be stealing too if I had to, mainly food and clothing for my kid.
This horrible thing that happened has NOTHING to do with race and how dare you poeple take this tragedy and turn it into something so fucking petty? It makes me sick.

Racism isn't a petty issue, and the fact that the mostly black people stranded in New Orleans felt abandoned by their country isn't going to do a lot to eradicate racism OR the perception (whether real or imagined) that race played a part in the evacuation proceedings.

IF the entire population of NO was aware that the levees weren't going to hold, then why was anyone left there at all? Did some organization go house to house and notify every household? I'm sorry, but I can't believe that the entire population knew. If that was the case, why weren't all of the hospitals, nursing homes, prisons, etc, evacuated before the weekend?

People ignore evacuation "suggestions" and there are a multitude of reasons why they do. One of the reasons is that people who live close to the coast can't pick up and leave EVERY time bad weather threatens; they simply can't afford it. There are runs on gas stations, and thus fuel gets expensive and scarce. Leave an empty house, and run the risk that everything you have accumulated in your life will be stolen or vandalized. And what if it's a false alarm? Load up what you can in your car, and if you can fill up your gas tank, use up all the gas sitting in the parking lot that the evacuation routes become. Get on a bus, and go where? What's the likelihood that poor people have relatives at the closest proximity of dry land who can take them in?

I can't imagine leaving the relative comfort of a Hyatt and jumping on a bus ahead of babies, or someone's sick grandpa. If I was a stranded black person and saw a bunch of white people jumping lines to the busses ahead of me, I'd certainly think it was a matter of race. People staying at the Hyatt would be more likely to have had the means to get the hell out before the levees broke.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 9:16:46 AM

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What amazes me is this:

New Orleans is (or was), according to many news stories I have read and heard, one of the busiest shipping ports in the entire world. That alone should mean that there should have been, over the last 4 years, a hugeass buildup of Homeland Security in that region. After all, some terrorists could have blown up the levees there and interrupted the operations of a vital national/international port. If blame is laid anywhere, it ought to be laid at the feet of the federal government, which should have had a strong presence there by sheer dint of the vulnerability to terrorist attacks. Maybe the Homeland Security people evacuated early on, thinking it was ok to leave the area open to terrorists if it was only weather-related.

It just seems that aid got to NYC a LOT quicker on 9/11. Maybe the logistics were more manageable, considering that was only a couple of blocks of Big Business to protect and assist.

At this point, I'm fairly tired of the defense the federal government is using in terms of the availability of National Guard troops. They say that global terrorism and our fight against it is important, too. When "National Guard" became "International Guard" is beyond my comprehension. The War in Iraq has depleted our resources for protecting our own citizens. The people of New Orleans, and the other Katrina-wracked victims, are more important to me than "protecting" a bunch of Iraqis who can't even be coerced by the US into adopting a Constitution that meets our approval.

It's a little odd that when these national disasters occur, President Bush always seems to be just coming off of another vacation....

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 9:20:24 AM

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I'm sorry, but I can't believe that the entire population knew. If that was the case, why weren't all of the hospitals, nursing homes, prisons, etc, evacuated before the weekend?

I have to agree here, if it were me in the same situation I probably would not have known unless someone came and told me. The times I turn on the television or radio are few and far between. And she brings up a good point, if everyone was so sure, why weren't the hospitals, nursing homes, prisons, etc etc evacuated ahead of time?

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If I was a stranded black person and saw a bunch of white people jumping lines to the busses ahead of me, I'd certainly think it was a matter of race. People staying at the Hyatt would be more likely to have had the means to get the hell out before the levees broke.

Excellent line of reasoning! Chances are if those people could afford to stay at that expensive hotel they could also afford to get out before all hell broke loose.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 9:35:53 AM

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I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later, someone was going to throw the race card out there. What an utter waste of space and line of bullshit. Let's look back shall we? The population of New Orleans knew on thursday that the levees weren't going to hold, the mayor was on the T.V. telling people to get the hell out that they KNEW the levees wouldn't hold.

You have the option and priviledge of remaining IGNORANT of race matters, because looking as you do, no one can make assumptions about you, until you tell them about you.

Yes it is bullshit that this exists, and no one is here whining to you for your sympathy or love. We are having a discussion about what we see, know and feel, and if you don't like it, you can stay out of it.
Even IF everyone in New Orleans knew this disaster was coming, >100,000 people would not have stayed for the treat they got; they really aren't as stupid as you might be imagining; consider perhaps that they were uninformed or desperately poor without a way to get out (no cars or places to drive to). M

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 2:19:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kindred2Evil
This horrible thing that happened has NOTHING to do with race and how dare you poeple take this tragedy and turn it into something so fucking petty? It makes me sick.

Be sick. I dare and I will...

Furthermore the checkbook has the effect of law. Incedentally, overall government policy towards the poor also seems to have the effect of racisim.

The war on terrorism could have significant importance if we ever decide to fight it. That is not occuring anywhere in the world that I am aware of.

The National Guard was meant to be the national guard, not the international guard, and so am somewhat confused here. If you are saying that they do not currently have buisness in Iraq or anywhere else, then madam I am for you. If however; we have reached some space-time warp near an atmospheric disaster, well then am I to understand that Louisianna is now international territory?

I am gonna leave the rest of it alone, having personal knowledge of your on-siteness and what with me reading the liberal media and watching non CNN TV. And everyone knowing thursday and having plenty of time to either repair the dyke or evacuation by free bus to bumfuck, north dakota.
So now the question, am I my brother's keeper?

Ron

Bottom line I disagree so wholeheartedly with this that it would not be in my interest or yours for me to argue futher.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 3:26:36 PM

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Over and over again, reading the reports this past week, I've seen the comment that the scene resembled the Third World. This resembled the Third World. That resembled the Third World.

Lovingmaster, do you really believe that New Orleans would be allowed to devolve into a scene reminiscent of the Third World if the victims were predominantly white and not black? I don't. Poor whites take a lot of shit too in this country, but I don't believe they take the same shit that poor blacks do.

I'm not pretending that it's ONLY an issue of race, but I think you are pretending that it's only an issue of money.

LAM, I agree with you in whole, but I feel I need to clarify a few things as I live in the lower South. Yes, poor whites, unfortunately, (the truly poor ones, not lower middle class) do get the same shit that blacks do, and not all blacks get the same treatment, at least in my town. We have blacks living in our subdivision, and they are treated with the same respect as Me and mine. The whites in the low income areas get stopped just as much as the blacks there do. The treatment is not right for either race, but it does happen, just as even in your urbanized areas ot the North and West, I imagine those in the distressed urban areas get treated differently than those in the suburban areas.

The thing that I found unbelievable this morning, until I saw it with my own eyes on tv, is a lot of the stranded people are REFUSING to be taken off the tops of their houses, and be rescued. There was a story about a doctor who had to almost force a woman to go inside the second story of her house and get her 3 year old, to be rescued. He told her if she didn't want to go, at least give them the 3 year old. She finally wound up going. WTF? Why aren't they leaving when they are able to? I know all their possessions are in their homes, but they are possessions, even if they are meager.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 3:36:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kindred2Evil

I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later, someone was going to throw the race card out there. What an utter waste of space and line of bullshit. Let's look back shall we? The population of New Orleans knew on thursday that the levees weren't going to hold, the mayor was on the T.V. telling people to get the hell out that they KNEW the levees wouldn't hold. People have been reported on the news during live interviews that they stayed so they could loot. The N.O. Department of Transportation opened the bus lines starting on thursday, picking up anyone for FREE who wanted to evacuate. Read that again, for FREE. All they had to do was walk to the station and get on the bus.
As for the military driving by all those poor unfortunates, did you ever stop to wonder where they were going?? To hospitals mainly.
I am so over this racist bullshit. The military response time was as prompt as they could make it, how easy do you think it was to rally that many troops and get them there? It's so easy for you people to sit in judgement from your comfy lil houses while you watch the horror from your T.V. and pick apart this disaster.
Let's talk a bit more about the ones who stayed. Some of them are looters, they are stealing plasma t.v.'s and jewelry...now let me ask you, if it were you what would you be taking? I'll admit I'd be stealing too if I had to, mainly food and clothing for my kid.
This horrible thing that happened has NOTHING to do with race and how dare you poeple take this tragedy and turn it into something so fucking petty? It makes me sick.

Racism isn't a petty issue, and the fact that the mostly black people stranded in New Orleans felt abandoned by their country isn't going to do a lot to eradicate racism OR the perception (whether real or imagined) that race played a part in the evacuation proceedings.

IF the entire population of NO was aware that the levees weren't going to hold, then why was anyone left there at all? Did some organization go house to house and notify every household? I'm sorry, but I can't believe that the entire population knew. If that was the case, why weren't all of the hospitals, nursing homes, prisons, etc, evacuated before the weekend?

People ignore evacuation "suggestions" and there are a multitude of reasons why they do. One of the reasons is that people who live close to the coast can't pick up and leave EVERY time bad weather threatens; they simply can't afford it. There are runs on gas stations, and thus fuel gets expensive and scarce. Leave an empty house, and run the risk that everything you have accumulated in your life will be stolen or vandalized. And what if it's a false alarm? Load up what you can in your car, and if you can fill up your gas tank, use up all the gas sitting in the parking lot that the evacuation routes become. Get on a bus, and go where? What's the likelihood that poor people have relatives at the closest proximity of dry land who can take them in?

I can't imagine leaving the relative comfort of a Hyatt and jumping on a bus ahead of babies, or someone's sick grandpa. If I was a stranded black person and saw a bunch of white people jumping lines to the busses ahead of me, I'd certainly think it was a matter of race. People staying at the Hyatt would be more likely to have had the means to get the hell out before the levees broke.

-gypsy

Again, gypsy, althought a little closer, you are not in the Lower South, Kindred and I are. The reason you see all black people on tv is the MAJORITY of the population is black, not because they were barred from getting out. I imagine there were white people in the prisons, nursing homes, etc., and they didn't get evacuated anymore than the blacks did (which is unfortunate for both sides). Even NOW, TODAY, people are refusing to leave their homes, so, what do you do about them, black or white???

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 3:44:39 PM

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I will also say this: Even if some did not turn on the tv, there are neighbors talking, etc., it's not like they were unaware. Again, keep in mind, you are focusing on NO. The area affected is so much bigger than NO it is unbelievable. There are thousands of white people stranded also, maybe not in NO, but in all the other towns and cities in that 90,000 square mile area.

There was one woman in a hotel last night that said it would probably be a month before she could go home to check damages. Today I talked with someone local that has 15 relatives from MS and LA staying with them. My friend who is area supervisor for Dominoes is giving evacuees either free or 3$ pizzas when they order. There is a carpet company here that is giving 25$ food cards to evacuees with proof they are. There are trailers set up all over town different organizations taking different types of items for different things. Our City of Dothan and Houston County have partnered together and got a city in LA to sponsor to accelerate and expedite the efforts there, and the City and County is expending funding to that City in LA as able. There is a trucking company training school that has 3 trailers full of needed items and are getting donations for the fuel to take it there. There is so much more going on here, it is impossible to list what efforts are being made. All the radio stations are taking things, in addition to the regular charities (Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc.) All the hotels are full here. From what I understand, the hotels ,some of them, are giving huge discounts to evacuees. It is awesome to watch. Everyone here in this town is truly committed to helping as much as they can, and never even among the locals has the issue of how many black vs white have been stranded. They are working together here to help.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 3:48:59 PM

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The population of New Orleans knew on thursday that the levees weren't going to hold, the mayor was on the T.V. telling people to get the hell out that they KNEW the levees wouldn't hold.

I know that the mayor issued a mandatory evacuation order on Sunday. Three days earlier, I don't think it was known that New Orleans would be hit. But I may have missed that news, so if you have a source for it I would appreciate reading it.

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The N.O. Department of Transportation opened the bus lines starting on thursday, picking up anyone for FREE who wanted to evacuate. Read that again, for FREE. All they had to do was walk to the station and get on the bus.

And where would that bus take them? To the airport? To the edge of the metro area? To a shelter far away? This is news to me, and again, I would appreciate reading your news source. I am trying to stay informed and you are offering a perspective I have not heard.

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As for the military driving by all those poor unfortunates, did you ever stop to wonder where they were going?? To hospitals mainly.

The frustration of people in need and being ignored is understandable. What struck me as particularly disturbing was the number of photos I saw of people waving for help from news media helicopters - think how frustrating that would be - to have your suffering worth publicizing but not worth rescuing.

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This horrible thing that happened has NOTHING to do with race

Why are you so sure of this? FEMA was aware that over 100,000 of the poorest people in New Orleans (overwhelmingly black) had no means to evacuate and yet didn't do anything. Would FEMA have been comfortable with such a cavalier attitude if the city was overwhelmingly white and such large number of people faced abandonment?

I have an uneasy feeling that FEMA might have had different priorities.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 3:57:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kindred2Evil
The population of New Orleans knew on thursday that the levees weren't going to hold, the mayor was on the T.V. telling people to get the hell out that they KNEW the levees wouldn't hold.

I know that the mayor issued a mandatory evacuation order on Sunday. Three days earlier, I don't think it was known that New Orleans would be hit. But I may have missed that news, so if you have a source for it I would appreciate reading it.

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The N.O. Department of Transportation opened the bus lines starting on thursday, picking up anyone for FREE who wanted to evacuate. Read that again, for FREE. All they had to do was walk to the station and get on the bus.

And where would that bus take them? To the airport? To the edge of the metro area? To a shelter far away? This is news to me, and again, I would appreciate reading your news source. I am trying to stay informed and you are offering a perspective I have not heard.

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As for the military driving by all those poor unfortunates, did you ever stop to wonder where they were going?? To hospitals mainly.

The frustration of people in need and being ignored is understandable. What struck me as particularly disturbing was the number of photos I saw of people waving for help from news media helicopters - think how frustrating that would be - to have your suffering worth publicizing but not worth rescuing.

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This horrible thing that happened has NOTHING to do with race

Why are you so sure of this? FEMA was aware that over 100,000 of the poorest people in New Orleans (overwhelmingly black) had no means to evacuate and yet didn't do anything. Would FEMA have been comfortable with such a cavalier attitude if the city was overwhelmingly white and such large number of people faced abandonment?

I have an uneasy feeling that FEMA might have had different priorities.

Again, 90,000 square miles, so yes, large numbers of whites faced abandonment also. FEMA comes in after local government (a black ,mayor, in NO's case) asks them to. He was partying the night before. So, maybe instead of FEMA, it would be his priorites that might have been different?

Editted to add: So why didn't the populace you are speaking of start evacuating on Sunday, when ordered?? Many did...

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 8:21:06 PM

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*To the Ranger: I knew that "quarterbacking" saying was wrong. I guess I said Monday night. *W*

I had initially wondered if maybe one of Your boys had conned you into watching too much Monday night football with them ; }

- The Ranger

It takes way too much to con Me, darlin'! And I am not a football fan!
I knew it was wrong when I typed it, but I was too tired to try to figure it out.

I am one of the last of the "not a bleeding heart" types. But there is no denying that this whole situationis horrific at best. Rather than point fingers, I will be busy at the Phoenix Veterna's Memorial Coliseum this week, where 1,000+ evacuees are arriving. I did not realize that some would be heading to My neck of the woods when I last posted. I am glad we can help. I will not be asking if they could have gotten out, or if they blame anyone. I will simply be there to work and do what I can.
Padraig makes many points I absoutely agree with. Apparently he and I have been watching and listening to the same news broadcasts. It's very easy to sit on the sidelines and critisize. I am critical and upset about many aspects of this whole disaster. And I don't appear to be of the same view as many who are posting. But that's okay. I can only do what I can do. Later on I will pick a new battle. For now, this is the one I need to fight. I am grateful I have an opportunity to actually do someting physical.

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RE: Military response to National Emergency - 9/4/2005 8:37:10 PM

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Padraig makes many points I absoutely agree with. Apparently he and I have been watching and listening to the same news broadcasts. It's very easy to sit on the sidelines and critisize. I am critical and upset about many aspects of this whole disaster. And I don't appear to be of the same view as many who are posting. But that's okay. I can only do what I can do.

With all due respect GoddessDustyGold, no part of this is easy, weather we agree or not. In fact even the ugly criticisms aren't done with ease; we're talking about experiences which are painful to live, watch, understand, and feel... Indeed very caustic to the soul.

I'm glad you're able to lend a hand, and I will do what I can to help.
I appologize if I hurt the feelings of anyone I consider my friend with my words on this thread. I cannot retract the words because they are my truth, but I mean no disrespect to my friends. M

I'm more than happy to let this sad thread go to sleep if the mods want to lock it.

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