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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

FEMA's own website (http://www.fema.gov/) acknowledges that it has the responsibilities that Christopher Ruddy would like to absolve them of. Of course, I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around, and, like Ruddy, I wasn't too thrilled with Kathleen Blanco's attitude, either. I've said as much.

By the way, I have a thought about your earlier comment:

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I didn't want to get involved in this thread, because, a lot of posters on this thread I consider friends, and can only hope, like M, that my comments didn't hurt those friendships.

Friendships have to be able to survive differences of opinion. If you have a friendship, and feel you can't say what you think because you'd risk jeopardizing the friendship, then you don't really have a friendship at all.

Lam

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ORIGINAL: kc692

Don't Blame Bush for Katrina
Christopher Ruddy
Monday, Sept. 5, 2005

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

That's a red herring. The people who died outside the convention center died because FEMA didn't even know they were there--as Michael Brown himself admitted--not because snipers were shooting at rescue workers.

If the rescue effort had been handled properly, I'd agree with you about how outrageous it was that people were shooting at police (and whomever else they were shooting at--it's all still very unclear). But it's disingenuous to bring it up when the real problem was that the government fucked up. The people who keep bringing up the looting are just using it as an excuse not to have to confront the real problems (and playing on the underlying racist premise that only uncivilized blacks would dare shoot at generous rescue workers). Hey, if I were stranded in the middle of nowhere and had a couple of babies who were hungry and thirsty, I'm sure I'd be looting too.

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ORIGINAL: Craftsman

Just how fast can a relief effort be implemented when there are snipers shooting at those being evacuated from hospitals and their rescuers? How many soldiers and rescue workers are expendable to increase the speed of response? The sniper incidents are not enemy insurgents here. They are US residents and presumably citizens. How do we as a nation deal with that?

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

If that means FEMA isn't required to intercede until a formal request is made by the state governor, even though FEMA knew that the hurricane was coming four days before it hit, then the "Major Disaster Process" needs to be reworked from the ground up.


I don't understand exactly what we're talking about. No one--except a few Collarme users--pretends that FEMA's response was adequate. The President himself said that the federal government's response was unacceptable. That's that, no? What's important now is to talk about what went wrong and what could have been done better--not to circle the wagons and defend the indefensible.

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ORIGINAL: Craftsman
Then again, the instructors in Rescue Systems and Fire Academies may be mis-informing their students.

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ORIGINAL: brightspot

I think when all people are feed, clothed, housed, seen for medical and emotional needs, safe, etc.
That there is definately going to have to be a lot of questions asked
and more importantly answered!!!

*Brightspot

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ORIGINAL: brightspot

I think when all people are feed, clothed, housed, seen for medical and emotional needs, safe, etc.
That there is definately going to have to be a lot of questions asked
and more importantly answered!!!

*Brightspot

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I've already seen "experts" explain that it was the snipers and gangs that kept supplies out of New Orleans.

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I don't know if this has been brought up before -- but really, you have to not lump "looting" into one group. There's "looting" of needed supplies for survival, and then there's "criminal and gang activity." That is to say -- Whatever criminal element existed in new orleans -- gangs, drug addicts, people with guns -- does not suddenly transform into good samaritans in a moment of crisis. There were shootings, rapes and disorder in the city of new orleans WITH law enforcement - CRIME doesn't stop happening. In any crisis plan, a city (especially one like new orleans with high crime) has to know that there WILL be an elevation in crime. The government should have expected that, and not blamed the lack of response on activity they knew would happen.

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I've already seen "experts" explain that it was the snipers and gangs that kept supplies out of New Orleans.
Snipers and gangs, eh? Pretty soon they'll be calling them insurgents and blaming Bin Laden.

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

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I've already seen "experts" explain that it was the snipers and gangs that kept supplies out of New Orleans.
Snipers and gangs, eh? Pretty soon they'll be calling them insurgents and blaming Bin Laden.

Alright you funny people (Ron and HappyPervert) stay with the program, this is a fighting thread. No funny comments allowed. M

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serious face] But isn't it true that the mayor of New Orleans was secretly stockpiling weapons of mass destruction?

Opps, THEN we would have had the troops there.

[cracking up and losing the straight face]

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ORIGINAL: BamaSadist

I started reading this forum and couldn't even read all of it before I got pissed off.


1. How many of you on here that are pissing and moaning have been through anything even close to this?
closer


2. How many of you are doing anything to help?
I speak for myself. I am.


Yes I have been through a lot. I served for 7 years in the U.S.Coast Guard, I have picked up the bodies, help in areas that have been through things like this, it takes time to get everything in place and going.

Thank you for your help, we are very proud of you.

If you just rush in and start you will have more people die than you can think of.
This is called friendly fire, most of you which will probably never understand that a surgical strike involves a few cases of this. It is surgical by the fact that it has been scrubbed by tv so we don't have to see another vietnam.

I'm on my way down there as soon as they will let me in. NO you are not too far away to help. I know a man that hitched hiked from New Hamphshire Down to the gulf to help.


I am happy that you have taken something personal in this.

NO it is not about race and it is a sad day in hell when a bunch of blacks start saying it is.


I am so goddamn white that you are suspect.

HOW much help did FL. get anytime parts of it were hit and people were left with nothing? NOT anywhere near the help that is going to the gulf.


A very teary sentiment and you may be proved true in the end... in which case I will kiss your ass on main street and give you an hour to draw a crowd.

ALL of you that are running off at the mouth about more should have been done need to get out from under your ac and out from behind your desk and do something yourself to help. It takes time for a rescue case of this size to start. There were people there the day after helping. There are still people coming to help. SO stop all of this bull about it taking to long and it being about race and get a life and help yourself.

Your thoughts and prayers are with me, I am glad that you are passionate.........now if you and me can git these nigras in line we can straighten this shit out toot sweet.

Ron

Ja, just send me the memo of how long I am kicked for......it'll be worth it.

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Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30

(in reply to BamaSadist)

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My bet is they were off to hit a little funny (M you know what that is

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Your thoughts and prayers are with me, I am glad that you are passionate.........now if you and me can git these nigras in line we can straighten this shit out toot sweet.

Ron
Ja, just send me the memo of how long I am kicked for......it'll be worth it.