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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/30/2008 10:28:24 AM   
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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/31/2008 7:06:43 AM   
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Indeed it is the question, thus the core of the thread!

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/31/2008 7:44:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Funny you should mention standing.  I was at a party in SF at the old Castlebar dungeon and a bottom, not a slave, not a submissive, but a gay male bottom stood at attention for nearly an hour waiting for his partner who was stuck in traffic to arrive.

Not a sight I will ever forget!

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/31/2008 10:43:40 AM   
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How long would you stand unattended before your personal pride kicked in and siad I am not property to be ignored.

Now THAT...is the question

In truth my answer would have to be I don't know if it would be my pride, my fellings of isolation & lonliness or abandonment distress that would kick in and make me act.
Again it would depend on the circumstances as to if, or how long I'd try and bear it first.


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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/31/2008 11:24:16 AM   
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Funny you should mention standing.  I was at a party in SF at the old Castlebar dungeon and a bottom, not a slave, not a submissive, but a gay male bottom stood at attention for nearly an hour waiting for his partner who was stuck in traffic to arrive.

Not a sight I will ever forget!


If you liked the sight of one guy standing at attention for nearly an hour maybe, you would enjoy seeing an outdoor retirement/change of command ceremony on a military base.  There, you will see a few hundred men and women in uniform standing at attention for at least an hour. 
 
Standing at attention for an hour or more isn't really a big deal to most anyone who has served in the military.  As a soldier, i stood at attention, along with a few hundred of my fellow soldiers, for more than an hour at a time, in an open parade field, in the heat or the cold, without being able to move to scratch my nose or shoo a fly away from my face or doing anything other than breathe and blink. 
 
It's really just a matter of being mentally disciplined and motivated to do what you're told to do and do it until told to do otherwise.
 
When i signed-up to be a soldier, i agreed to do whatever i was told to do (barring anything illegal), no matter how uncomfortable or unpleasant, and that's what i did.  When i agreed to become the property of my Master, i agreed to do whatever i was told to do (within the parameters set by my Master and agreed to by me), no matter how uncomfortable or unpleasant, and that's what i do. 
 
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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 1/31/2008 11:37:05 AM   
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Every time I hear somone describing themselves as "property" I remember being at the old swimmin hole at a motorcycle ralley.

On naked little nymph had a tatoo on the left cheek of her ass... "Owned and Operated by Tank, Renegades Motorcycle Club"

She was his to use, to be loaned out to brothers, and to service anyone he told her to.  She fetched beer, polished the bike, cooked his meals.  And waited patiently when he went off with someone else.  She was his property.

Stefan


I apologize to you MercTech but I feel I have to add a clarifier. Having been closely associated with 1%er clubs all my life I can tell you that what you describe is the exception rather than the rule. Yes, Old Ladies are considered property....but when you see that "Property of" patch it signifies a position of honor. Old Ladies are not the ones you see often passed around and shared. Bikers tend to be rather territorial when it comes to their women, and yes, as a rule they do tend to be a bit more adventurous sexually, but it is not common that a biker's old lady is shared amongst the club.

I tend to see that sort of thing happen much more often to the "groupies" that hang around and are willing to do anyone or anything for the chance of a ride on a motorcycle. I also tend to see it occuring far more often in newer, lower ranking clubs where the guys seem to be trying to carve a name for themselves.

I am certainly not saying that it never happens but I feel I had to say something because I (and a lot of other Old Ladies) have been fighting against exactly that stereotype forever. I get asked the question "Were you passed around?" frequently....and the answer would be an emphatic "No".

A "Property of" patch or tattoo is worn for several reasons. Number one it is a way of showing respect for your man and his club. It also tells others that you are very important to that man and disrespecting the person wearing it is the same as disrespecting her man. It says "Hands OFF - Owned".

Sure, you will see a biker's old lady polishing the bike. Most biker's old ladies wouldn't be caught dead riding behind their old man unless that bike is shining....a dirty bike would be a reflection on HER. Yes, most biker's old ladies cook their meals, clean their houses and fetch their beer...and many other things. All part of being a good old lady and probably factored into the very reason why they are an "old lady" wearing a property patch and not just another one of the groupies. But it is not often that they are shared.

Just needed to clarify.

And gosh, I also really hope that the name and club name that you used were fictitious.


The person I am thinking of was not an "ol lady".  The brit phrase of "company bicycle" comes to mind.... anyone could take a ride.  She seemed to like it that way.  She was "property" and not a person.  The only one I have met that liked it like that.  One reason I remember so well.  That is why the "property" appellation always reminds me of her.

Sitting here watching a frog strangler thunderstorm and debating whether to get soaking wet just to get my ride fix.

Stefan

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 12:13:23 AM   
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Uh, if you have ever been to an S&M event and seen the "slaves" running their mouths, playing grab ass, topping from the bottom, and or being attention whores, seeing one shut up and stand gracefully and silent for that long was impressive.

I am sure whatever you do is more impressive but for little ole me, I was impressed.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 4:33:35 AM   
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Killjoy,

Uh, if you have ever been to an S&M event and seen the "slaves" running their mouths, playing grab ass, topping from the bottom, and or being attention whores,

That's a fine example of why i have no interest in going to an S&M event.  That's something i don't want to see, ever.

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I am sure whatever you do is more impressive but for little ole me, I was impressed.

Actually, a military ceremony is really impressive, if you like that sort of thing and, since you did seem to like seeing one man standing at attention, i thought that i would suggest seeing a military ceremony.
 
joy
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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 6:48:26 AM   
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Irish,

Indeed it is the question, thus the core of the thread!

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LOL Well, I don't mind answering it.

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  How long would you stand unattended before your personal pride kicked in and siad I am not property to be ignored.

I can remember back times when he would take off for a month or so; not tell anyone, just ..not show up. After the first time, I learned not to think too much about it. I did ask him once why he did it and his answer was simply because I wanted to.
There were times at friends houses that he would leave me in the car while he went inside; come back out right before he was ready to leave so that I could say good-bye to everyone.
There were times that months would go by without a word from him; just silence in the house with the exception of when he said something to the UM's. During these times, I learned not to say anything...to just be a fly on the wall so to speak.

Little things like that never bothered me. It's just the way he was; and by accepting him, I accepted these little things that he did.

It's important to note though that never, never did I feel like a piece of shit; he never said the words or showed his appreciation of me; but it was there in the fact that he kept me around for as long as he did

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 12:11:23 PM   
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There is no doubt in my mind that there is a place in heaven with your nick on it!

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 1:44:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow Mist that's impressive.  I would wait months but it would hurt me greatly, I'm sure.

I do remember one night he had me stand at attention, naked, beside his bed as he spoke to me.  He paused...and fell asleep.

Nearly 6 hours later when he woke up, I was still standing in place.  He said given the circumstance, he would have understood if I had curled up to sleep, but it changed something in him to see me still standing, waiting for him.  He put me to bed, tucked me in, and told me to sleep.  2 years later he still brings it up.  It wasn't some great feat I had done, in my perspective, and I didn't understand why he reacted as he did. 

I think the hardest part was enduring all those late night infomercials on TV.

To endure what you did with grace is amazing to me.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 5:40:39 PM   
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I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or is it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?


Different strokes, but it's not new in D&s.  I don't consider myself my man's property (nor him mine, despite the use of the word "mine").  I don't consider my dog my property - he's his own pooch but still my baby.  The concept of property seems contrary to love, but I'm a bit of a romantic.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 5:54:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't own property or allow myself to be identified as such although my husband and I identify as Gorean. I think for me it's a matter of self esteem and self confidence-- I am my own person, a unique valuable one and as such I am not a piece of "property".

Someone else might identify themselves as valuable because they consider themselves property--to each their own.

I think it's a matter of interpretation.

Be well and Blessings,

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 6:19:38 PM   
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Mist,

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a place in heaven with your nick on it!

CP

Well shucks; I am not looking for a spot in heaven lol; I already know what heaven feels like

Owned...now see; I have always been in awe of YOUR relationship lol. Go figure

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 6:22:35 PM   
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Mist,

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a place in heaven with your nick on it!

CP

Well shucks; I am not looking for a spot in heaven lol; I already know what heaven feels like

Owned...now see; I have always been in awe of YOUR relationship lol. Go figure


Not to hijack, but I think both IrishMist and Owned are pretty damn awesome!

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 8:32:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Mist,

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a place in heaven with your nick on it!

CP

Well shucks; I am not looking for a spot in heaven lol; I already know what heaven feels like

Owned...now see; I have always been in awe of YOUR relationship lol. Go figure


Not to hijack, but I think both IrishMist and Owned are pretty damn awesome!


Tiaras for everyone! 

You both rock, too!

~End of Hijack~

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/1/2008 8:41:18 PM   
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2 years later he still brings it up.  It wasn't some great feat I had done, in my perspective, and I didn't understand why he reacted as he did.

Perhaps he suddenly realized the depth of your commitment -- and the enormity of his responsibility.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/2/2008 12:26:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thought of being Master's property to me means that i am very special to him in his desire to Own me, care for me, and nurture me.
Blessings to all...



< Message edited by KashmirKitten -- 2/2/2008 12:33:59 AM >

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/2/2008 5:10:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Coming from a biker lifestyle, more specificly a club lifestyle, "property" or "property of" isn't new to me, nor is it something I play at or is it a passing fad. But like anything, I can see where it is fast becoming mainstream within the bdsm community, some take it serious, others play at it, whatever works for them. My priorities were club, brothers, bike, then my personal life and in that order. It takes a special woman to live that kinda life and know she isn't or ever will be number 1. Now retired, I've refocused my priorities. But I'd like to think I still hold true to the beliefs and values that were instilled in me over the years. How one lifestyle defines and relates to a word or a term can be very different than the next lifestyle, but with anything there are those that do combine the 2 lifestyles. I'm at the point in my life, I'm just gonna say, do what you wanna do, call it what you wanna call it and who gives a fuck what anyone thinks of it. I sure don't, I make no excuses for my life and have no regrets. If you want to sit and pick it apart or define the characteristics to make it fit into a box, it doesn't, it never will. My slave is my property. she is everything to me and it does take, a rare breed if you will to live her life as property. In someone elses eyes they may see it differently. If they do, frankly I don't give a fuck, I live my life for myself and for her.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/2/2008 5:19:17 AM   
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If they do, frankly I don't give a fuck, I live my life for myself and for her.

I think I am in love

/swoon

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