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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/13/2008 12:54:33 PM   
littlebitxxx


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Status: offline 		I had "property" described to me once very beautifully.  A slave can be like a piece of fine china, chosen for its beauty and functionality together.  Once possessed, it is set into a place of honour in the home, to be shown off and admired by others but not touched except by those invited.  When its use is desired, usually for a special reason, it is brought forward and readied.  The reason need not be a fancy royal dinner but even a special evening at home not thought to be special except by the two people involved.  This piece of fine china is used lovingly and carefully but still only within the bounds of its functionality.  It is admired during the use, cared for and appreciated.  Once finished, the piece is carefully cleaned and polished, burnished by loving hands to restore it to its original beauty.  Then it's put back into its place of honour, ready for the next time.  Even while sitting in its cubby on the shelf, this piece of fine china is not forgotten or ignored.  When the owner walks by he can smile lovingly, remembering good times shared, stroke the pattern with a finger, admire the beauty and grace by which the piece fills its space.  From his favourite chair, he can see the piece always if he so desires.  He doesn't need to speak to it or inform it of things or ask its opinion, but sometimes he does just because it is a beautiful piece that he had chosen and its warmth invites quiet and intimate conversation.  It is property, a functional piece of china chosen for its beauty and usefulness, but still only property.  But also worthy of care and attention in order to keep its functionality alive.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/14/2008 6:59:15 AM   
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I had "property" described to me once very beautifully. A slave can be like a piece of fine china, chosen for its beauty and functionality together. Once possessed, it is set into a place of honour in the home, to be shown off and admired by others but not touched except by those invited. When its use is desired, usually for a special reason, it is brought forward and readied. The reason need not be a fancy royal dinner but even a special evening at home not thought to be special except by the two people involved. This piece of fine china is used lovingly and carefully but still only within the bounds of its functionality. It is admired during the use, cared for and appreciated. Once finished, the piece is carefully cleaned and polished, burnished by loving hands to restore it to its original beauty. Then it's put back into its place of honour, ready for the next time. Even while sitting in its cubby on the shelf, this piece of fine china is not forgotten or ignored. When the owner walks by he can smile lovingly, remembering good times shared, stroke the pattern with a finger, admire the beauty

and grace by which the piece fills its space. From his favourite chair, he can see the piece always if he so desires. He doesn't need to speak to it or inform it of things or ask its opinion, but sometimes he does just because it is a beautiful piece that he had chosen and its warmth invites quiet and intimate conversation. It is property, a functional piece of china chosen for its beauty and usefulness, but still only property. But also worthy of care and attention in order to keep its functionality alive.


littlebit,,

A beautiful description of property, but how does it fit you?

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/14/2008 11:26:48 AM   
littlebitxxx


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Status: offline 		Hello CelticPrince, 
In short, it doesn't.  This was described to me by someone that felt this way about his property.  I just liked it, it seemed apt. 

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/14/2008 11:45:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly.  The honor in being owned escapes me.  I own myself, and what and if I choose to give to you is a gift.  As would be your accepting it a gift to me.  If I love you, surely I will give you all of me, yet still, you will not own "me."  Love me, cherish, protect, and I will do the same, and then some, but to own a living breathing viable human being?  No, never.  I own things, not people.

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I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or is it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?


Different strokes, but it's not new in D&s.  I don't consider myself my man's property (nor him mine, despite the use of the word "mine").  I don't consider my dog my property - he's his own pooch but still my baby.  The concept of property seems contrary to love, but I'm a bit of a romantic.



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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/14/2008 12:12:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder why people insist on romanticizing everything.

A cooking pot is more useful than something you hang on the wall and admire.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/14/2008 8:12:18 PM   
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We mcovered cars, but not cooking pots!!!!!!

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/15/2008 4:01:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are different types of property.....What is being refered to at least by My girl is that I Own her, she belongs to Me. That her entire life, every action, is accountable to Me. I don't micromanage every aspect of it because mostly her actions are acceptable to Me however if something isn't acceptable to Me I change it. After all, she is Mine and I have that right.

An old sock maybe also a piece of property, but they are only the same in that I Own them, the value to Me of My girl is far higher. she is My prized possession, the one thing I Own that I would return to a burning building to save. The status of property doesn't need to mean not cared about.

For us it isn't simple semantics, it is a statement of the reality of Our Dynamic.Like L&M there I see it as inherant in slavery. Something Owned is property, You Own a slave, ergo a slave (To Me) is always property.


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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/15/2008 4:19:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I could not agree more with your statement. I remember many a day that started out like hell and end up worse then hell. One change of command ceremony, I remember clearly  took over three hours because the President was going to be there, his plane had to divert , so we stood there at attention the whole time in 98 degree heat in full dress greens. The military teaches you discipline and in a lot of ways what true servitude is about. To be of service and to give ones life for his country whether they agree to the action or not is a good definition of what being property is about. Where else can you get punished for damaging uncle Sam's property getting a tattoo over a weekend. I would not change one day of my life in service to our country. Good or bad it was a path less traveled.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/15/2008 4:45:10 AM   
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I wonder why people insist on romanticizing everything.


Because it feels good.  Romance is fun.


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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/15/2008 11:04:33 AM   
CelticPrince


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For us it isn't simple semantics, it is a statement of the reality of Our Dynamic.Like L&M there I see it as inherant in slavery. Something Owned is property, You Own a slave, ergo a slave (To Me) is always property.


RM,

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Thanks for your5 contribution.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/15/2008 11:06:29 AM   
CelticPrince


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It is tiring to be a feminist submissive...sigh....


Aynne,

Many ,thanks for my first laugh of the day.

Indeed I think it would be most tiring.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/15/2008 11:08:41 AM   
CelticPrince


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I would not change one day of my life in service to our country. Good or bad it was a path less traveled.


Island,

around of applause.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/15/2008 3:41:58 PM   
joy2u


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ORIGINAL: TheIslandofO

The military teaches you discipline and in a lot of ways what true servitude is about. To be of service and to give ones life for his country whether they agree to the action or not is a good definition of what being property is about.
 i agree.  Joining the Army, when i was 18, gave my life direction and was the best decision i have ever made. Being the "property of the U.S. Government" gave me a sense of purpose, a sense of pride, a sense of belonging, and the structured and disciplined life that i needed.  Being a soldier, 24/7 for 12 years taught me that i was capable of much more than i had ever thought possible.  It taught me that i could endure a lot of unpleasantness and hardship and still be able to function and carry-out my task.  That's a good feeling. Being the "property of Master David" gives me a sense of purpose, a sense of pride, a sense of belonging, and the structured and disciplined life that i need.  In fact, missing that structure and discipline, after leaving the service, was a big part of the reason that i knew i wanted to be in a 24/7 TPE relationship. Being human property is not the same as being a piece of inanimate property.  For one thing, there's a great deal of responsibility required of the Owner of human property that isn't required with inanimate property. Being the property of another doesn't mean that i expect or want to be treated badly.  The Army treated me very well and my Master treats me very well.  i volunteered to be a soldier and i volunteered to be the owned servant of my Master and, even though i am a masochist, i have no desire to live a life of misery and i would not volunteer to serve anyone who would treat me badly.   
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Where else can you get punished for damaging uncle Sam's property getting a tattoo over a weekend.
 Actually, the Army has relaxed it's policy regarding tattoos but, i know what you mean.  There are punishments under the UCMJ for self-inflicted injuries or illness, whether intentional or simply by not exercising caution, such as getting sunburned to the point of not being able to perform your duties.   
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I would not change one day of my life in service to our country. Good or bad it was a path less traveled.
 Again, i agree.  i truly consider my time as a U.S. soldier as some of the best years of my life. joyOwned servant of Master David

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/15/2008 4:07:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlebitxxx

I had "property" described to me once very beautifully.  A slave can be like a piece of fine china, chosen for its beauty and functionality together.  Once possessed, it is set into a place of honour in the home, to be shown off and admired by others but not touched except by those invited.  When its use is desired, usually for a special reason, it is brought forward and readied.  The reason need not be a fancy royal dinner but even a special evening at home not thought to be special except by the two people involved.  This piece of fine china is used lovingly and carefully but still only within the bounds of its functionality.  It is admired during the use, cared for and appreciated.  Once finished, the piece is carefully cleaned and polished, burnished by loving hands to restore it to its original beauty.  Then it's put back into its place of honour, ready for the next time.  Even while sitting in its cubby on the shelf, this piece of fine china is not forgotten or ignored.  When the owner walks by he can smile lovingly, remembering good times shared, stroke the pattern with a finger, admire the beauty and grace by which the piece fills its space.  From his favourite chair, he can see the piece always if he so desires.  He doesn't need to speak to it or inform it of things or ask its opinion, but sometimes he does just because it is a beautiful piece that he had chosen and its warmth invites quiet and intimate conversation.  It is property, a functional piece of china chosen for its beauty and usefulness, but still only property.  But also worthy of care and attention in order to keep its functionality alive.


I really like all of this now that yes, without doubts anynore, i have accepted being 'property'......


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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/16/2008 7:12:19 AM   
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or one thing, there's a great deal of responsibility required of the Owner of human property that isn't required with inanimate property. Being the property of another doesn't mean that i expect or want to be treated badly. The Army treated me very well and my Master treats me very well.


The girl btought in the essential difference, that being responsibility!!!!

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/17/2008 4:51:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince

Have you ever pondered the serious nature of being 'property" Every time that I have the time to sign on I always take the time to read the first profile that comes up on the list; thus this post!

I am seeing more and more descriptions by submissives that describe themselves as property of_____. Does the mindset of being property truely hit with a high level of conscienceness or it it a growing fashion on the path be refer to the relationship as property?

CP


Just me...
I think of her as mine... to be protected by me from all harm, and provided for by me in my fullest abilities.

She thinks of herself as mine... she gives of herself to me all that I ask knowing that all I do is for her best intent.

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/17/2008 5:07:29 PM   
HerLord


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Status: offline 		While I really appreciate the writing of this piece, I do have to question the writer. I mean that some one/thing worthy of my "adoration" must be of much more complexity and value than a simple china pot, even one of the finest ever in history. If a "piece" can be of such value to be worth my adoration, surely it would justify a higher stature than "slave." So to what worth is a "slave?" A Lord of quality deserves all that is in his life to also be of quality. If the writers best is of comparison to a tea pot, then I liken him not much a Lord.
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ORIGINAL: littlebitxxx

I had "property" described to me once very beautifully.  A slave can be like a piece of fine china, chosen for its beauty and functionality together.  Once possessed, it is set into a place of honour in the home, to be shown off and admired by others but not touched except by those invited.  When its use is desired, usually for a special reason, it is brought forward and readied.  The reason need not be a fancy royal dinner but even a special evening at home not thought to be special except by the two people involved.  This piece of fine china is used lovingly and carefully but still only within the bounds of its functionality.  It is admired during the use, cared for and appreciated.  Once finished, the piece is carefully cleaned and polished, burnished by loving hands to restore it to its original beauty.  Then it's put back into its place of honour, ready for the next time.  Even while sitting in its cubby on the shelf, this piece of fine china is not forgotten or ignored.  When the owner walks by he can smile lovingly, remembering good times shared, stroke the pattern with a finger, admire the beauty and grace by which the piece fills its space.  From his favourite chair, he can see the piece always if he so desires.  He doesn't need to speak to it or inform it of things or ask its opinion, but sometimes he does just because it is a beautiful piece that he had chosen and its warmth invites quiet and intimate conversation.  It is property, a functional piece of china chosen for its beauty and usefulness, but still only property.  But also worthy of care and attention in order to keep its functionality alive.


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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/17/2008 7:45:33 PM   
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Uh, if you have ever been to an S&M event and seen the "slaves" running their mouths, playing grab ass, topping from the bottom, and or being attention whores


I think the behavior you describe above is *irritating*, but that's it.  It's only inappropriate (as slaves, rather than overall) if the individuals' owners find fault with it.

I avoid it, but that doesn't make it *wrong*.


I agree with you, ImpGrrl, it is none of my business.

There is a local, well reputed and duly worshipped by all and sundry "Master" in the local BDSM community.  He is a nice guy, dresses the part, knows how to use all the play toys, etc.

But his slave is rude, discourteous, demanding, obnoxious, argumentative, etc., to both him in public, and other people in ways that I would find horrifying if my submissive acted that way.

Whatever floats their boat, but I always think of them when the ugly head of sub vs. slave or Dom vs Master threads rears up on these forums.

NotImpressedergy


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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/18/2008 7:46:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've been following this thread for a couple of weeks now.  The thought that keeps entering my mind is the one way direction of the relationship between and owner and his or her property.  "Property" generally has limited feelings for it's owner and really can't serve well. For example, A Master may take care of his car (or whatever) but his vehicle doesn't really give a shit, giving only indifference  in return.  It performs the function it was designed for, but that's about it.  And, its not especially forgiving, operating on a "what have you done for me lately" basis.  Finally, the value of a vehecle tends to decrease over time, depreciating significantly as soon as its driven off the lot.  "Life experience" doesn't count for much when it comes to property.  But, the real kicker for me is that I tend to have feelings for my Master.  Indifference doesn't work.

Even a pet that can develop an attachment to its owner (it really depends on the pet--fish and  birds are one thing, dogs and cats  another) can't actually do much for that owner.  Some can be trained to perform some limited kinds of service but most just lay around sleeping alot of the time and need a lot of maintenence.  They shouldn't really be counted on to take care of themselves or  much of anything else. 

I dunno.   Maybe its  hubris, but I like to think that I can at least be counted on to take care of myself. 


< Message edited by gypsygrl -- 2/18/2008 8:11:37 AM >

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RE: The Characteristics of being "property" - 2/18/2008 8:11:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gypsygrl

I've been following this thread for a couple of weeks now.  The thought that keeps entering my mind is the one way direction of the relationship between and owner and his or her property.  "Property" generally has limited feelings for it's owner and really can't serve well. For example, A Master may take care of his car (or whatever) but his vehicle doesn't really give a shit, giving only indifference  in return.  It performs the function it was designed for, but that's about it. 

Even a pet that can develop an attachment to its owner (it really depends on the pet--fish and  birds are one thing, dogs and cats  another) can't actually do much for that owner.  Some can be trained to perform some limited kinds of service but most just lay around sleeping alot of the time and need a lot of maintenence.  They shouldn't really be counted on to take care of themselves or anything else. 

I dunno.   Maybe its  hubris, but I like to think that I can at least be counted on to take care of myself.



Gypsygrl

I understand what you are trying to say; I just have to disagree. While I can see the argument that you are using in reference to property ( cars, etc ); I would say that yes, cars are incapable of having any ‘feeling’ for their owners. However, you have to take into account that we are not referring to inanimate objects; but rather humans who ARE CAPABLE of emotion.

A human being, with emotions, CAN be treated like a car; yet still feel emotion for the owner.

Because of this ability to feel emotions; we are able to be of service despite being referred to as property in the literal sense.


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