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RE: WTF? - 1/28/2008 7:04:03 PM   
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Honestly, a great deal of people in love feel this way, vanilla or otherwise. These heights of love, the overwhelmingness, the scary feelings, the wonderful, intoxicating, dizzyness heights are simply not exclusive to us BDSMers. We just don't reach those heights in non-BDSM relationships.

I get that...whats even better is that it transcends both "worlds" I know whether I'm His slave or not....whether I'm kinky or not, His love for me...and mine for Him will not change. Thats what blows my mind.



Then I'm afraid I don't get why you called the idea that BDSM aren't different "bullshit". Did you mean that different types of relationships are different but the suited for each reach the same heights?

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RE: WTF? - 1/28/2008 7:04:49 PM   
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Yes, enjoy your relationship, and congratulations.
And now, can I please (respectfully) ask you to change your font from a light pink to a bit darker? I do tend to overlook some of your posts only because they are difficult to read.
This isn't bad, is it? AND I can read it!! *lol*
Luck to you and yours.

~Christina

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RE: WTF? - 1/28/2008 8:38:01 PM   
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Honestly, a great deal of people in love feel this way, vanilla or otherwise. These heights of love, the overwhelmingness, the scary feelings, the wonderful, intoxicating, dizzyness heights are simply not exclusive to us BDSMers. We just don't reach those heights in non-BDSM relationships.

I get that...whats even better is that it transcends both "worlds" I know whether I'm His slave or not....whether I'm kinky or not, His love for me...and mine for Him will not change. Thats what blows my mind.



Then I'm afraid I don't get why you called the idea that BDSM aren't different "bullshit". Did you mean that different types of relationships are different but the suited for each reach the same heights?

I kept trying to reconcile my thoughts and feelings toward my Master thinking "Hey this is just like any other relationship(vanilla)"....like whats been said so many times on different threads....and no matter how hard I tried it wasn't making sense to me....The WAY I am being loved...and the WAY I am being shown how much I'm loved isn't like anything I have ever seen or felt. So for me its complete bullshit to try to use old "regular vanilla" ways of processing and dealing with what I am feeling and living now.
Holy Cow I know that didn;t explain squat....and I'm sorry...it always sounds SO much better in my head.



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RE: WTF? - 1/28/2008 9:32:00 PM   
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That sort of experience is what caused me to go through a deep introspective streak- figuring out whether I was still being submissive when we were just SUCH an amazing match. 

Luckily, I realized it had nothing to do with Ds, just us being awesome.

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RE: WTF? - 1/28/2008 9:48:24 PM   
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I kept trying to reconcile my thoughts and feelings toward my Master thinking "Hey this is just like any other relationship(vanilla)"....like whats been said so many times on different threads....and no matter how hard I tried it wasn't making sense to me....The WAY I am being loved...and the WAY I am being shown how much I'm loved isn't like anything I have ever seen or felt. So for me its complete bullshit to try to use old "regular vanilla" ways of processing and dealing with what I am feeling and living now.
Holy Cow I know that didn;t explain squat....and I'm sorry...it always sounds SO much better in my head.




Actually I think I have a much better understanding of what you were trying to say. The thing is... these are just like any old relationship in that some suck, some rock, some send you on the roller coaster and some send you to the ice cream section of the store.

So, I still don't think it's bullshit. Being loved, really loved, is an amazing thing and it's not going to be like any relationship you were before were you weren't loved. No matter how many relationships you've had, if they weren't like this, they won't prepare you for it. I don't even know if you can be prepared for it, no matter how many great loves you have in your life.

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RE: WTF? - 1/28/2008 10:15:44 PM   
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Being loved, really loved, is an amazing thing and it's not going to be like any relationship you were before were you weren't loved. No matter how many relationships you've had, if they weren't like this, they won't prepare you for it. I don't even know if you can be prepared for it, no matter how many great loves you have in your life.


Dayum, Aquatic, no shit.  That was awesome to read.

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RE: WTF? - 1/28/2008 11:05:09 PM   
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Dayum, Aquatic, no shit.  That was awesome to read.


I blame Valyraen. He inspires sappiness in me.

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RE: WTF? - 1/28/2008 11:12:54 PM   
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I never once agonized about how hard it was to be happy.

Red,
i'm glad and happy for you that you never agonized at how hard it was to be happy....And i don't even know if that's what the OP meant.... But, this struck a cord with me because i had always been in horrible shitty stupid ass relationships previous to this one...i remember driving home from His house (3 hours away) and calling a friend in tears because i didn't know how to do this whole "being happy thing"...It literally scared the crap out of me...For so many different reasons...Now, i just accept it and take it in stride...But, i must say it did take some getting used to.




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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 12:47:11 AM   
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Dayum, Aquatic, no shit.  That was awesome to read.


I blame Valyraen. He inspires sappiness in me.


From one sap to another, I loved it. 

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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 5:49:01 AM   
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It feels like so much more when you have a new D/s relationship.
You never realize you can easily turn vanilla.
A D/s relationship IS very special, but, it is no better and no worse than any other relationship.
I think you are on ....I'm not sure there is a word for it. (maybe there is, but I just don't know it)
It's when as a sub you meet the person you think you have been looking for, and from now on, everything will be perfect.
It's not exactly sub fever, but, it's something similar imo...
I guess I tend to believe these posts a bit more when they're from people who have been together for years and years.
It just sounds more believable, imo.

~Christina


it's twitterpation, or the honeymoon period of the relationship, where you don't see the warts and are just basking in the glow of the newness.  I recognize that I feel this, there is so much to do and so much to learn in any new relationship and with the newness I have in BDSM there is the added stimuli.

But at least now when I have sex I'm not writing a grocery list in my head or planning the next days activities or wondering if my room would look better painted blue or green...

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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 7:52:44 AM   
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but now I'm feeling things I never knew a person could feel....Its scary.

I never knew giving away control could feel so good, and SO scary all at the same time.



This is part of a letter that i wrote to my Master on Oct. 2, 2007, almost 2 years after He took Ownership of me:

Good Morning Master, Your slave girl just needed to tell You that she is so very happy, that it hurts.  Does that sound stupid?  Your slave girl has never felt this way before, Master, and it is just a little bit scary but, so wonderful, at the same time.  You have done this to me.  You have captured me and made me feel Owned by You, and it feels so fantastic.  It's kind of hard to explain but, it makes me quiver inside and makes me tremble all over and makes me wonder if it's really true or just my wishful thinking.    i have stayed by Your side, devoted to You, not just because i said i would be Your slave for life but, also because i can't stand the thought of not belonging to You.  i can't stand the thought of not being Your slave.  i can't stand the thought of not being with You.  i need You, Master.  Do You know how badly i need You? You captured the essence of my being, Sir.  You saw inside this slave girl's soul and You took control of it and, You did it so beautifully.  You don't need locks or chains to enslave me, Master.  You have enslaved my inner being and nothing can break that, Sir.  It scared me when i first felt Your power taking over me, internally.  It was such a different feeling from Your power taking over me externally.  External enslavement can be broken.  It can be temporary.  Those physical chains and locks can be undone.  But, the internal enslavement that You have over me is unbreakable.  It's permanent.  There is no way to undo those chains, Sir.  No matter what, i am absolutely under Your Power and Control for the rest of my life.  And, it is the most wonderful feeling i have ever known.   
Your loving and devoted slave girl,joyXOXOXO

Now, i am someone who has been in 4 other D/s relationships, of varying degrees and varying lengths of time, including one D/s marriage.  i have also been in several non-D/s relationships over the years, again of varying lengths of time and varying degrees of commitment.  And, i never had anything even close to these same feelings in any of my other relationships.  And, these other men were all very wonderful and good and none were abusive or uncaring jerks.  They were attractive and intelligent and funny and shared many common interests with me and they were stable and secure in their careers and in their personal lives and i wanted to feel these sorts of feelings with them.  But, i never did.  They all left me feeling that something was missing.  The something was the lack of Dominance over me to the level that i was needing.  They wouldn't Dominate me to the degree that i needed and that left me feeling frustrated and unfullfilled and wanting more than they would or could give. So, for those who say that there isn't a difference between a D/s relationship and a "vanilla" relationship, with regards to the degree of emotion felt or feelings of attachment or special meaning, i say, "Maybe for you there isn't but, as for me, there most definately is."   As much as i care about my Master, the fact that He is very Dominant over me is one of His main characteristics that attracted me to Him, in the first place.  It's not everything but, without it, i wouldn't be with Him and i wouldn't be feeling so good. i knew that the missing piece from all of my previous relationships, D/s and non-D/s, was the lack of control over me that i needed to have, and that's what i was looking for when my Master answered my ad, seeking a Master for a 24/7 TPE M/s relationship.  That's what this relationship is based on and, if He were to no longer want that sort of relationship with me or, He were to decide that He just didn't want to Dominate me to the same degree that He has so far, it would most difinately change my level of contentment and happiness.  And, if any of the other men i had been involved with, before, had just taken more control of me, i would have been very happy to have stayed with any of them and serve them and would have been writing about how wonderful they made me feel.   Of course, it matters that i am with someone i care about and respect and trust and share interests with and, all of that.  But, without the D/s (to the degree that i need) there would not be the magic that i feel with my Master.  He's a great guy and, no doubt, He and i would be terrific friends but, without His strong Domination over me, there wouldn't be anything other than friendship between Him and me.   That's not to say that people in non-D/s relationships can't or don't get the same intensity of wonderful feelings that people in D/s relationships can and do get or that D/s relationships are "better" than vanilla relationships (unless, like me, you need to have D/s in order to feel this way).  Of course, anyone can feel totally wonderful in any kind of relationship, when it's the right relationship for them.  D/s relationships haven't cornered the market on wonderful feelings.  Other people need other things, to be fulfilled in their intimate relationships.  But, for me, i need to be completely and unquestionably Dominated in order to feel the sort of splendor and excitement and contentment that i have with my Master.  And, a relationship with the most wonderful man on the planet just isn't going to do it for me, unless He Dominates to the degree that i need. joyOwned servant of Master David

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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 8:29:14 AM   
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I never once agonized about how hard it was to be happy.

Red,
i'm glad and happy for you that you never agonized at how hard it was to be happy....And i don't even know if that's what the OP meant.... But, this struck a cord with me because i had always been in horrible shitty stupid ass relationships previous to this one...i remember driving home from His house (3 hours away) and calling a friend in tears because i didn't know how to do this whole "being happy thing"...It literally scared the crap out of me...For so many different reasons...Now, i just accept it and take it in stride...But, i must say it did take some getting used to.





I get it now, Kalista. Now I am agonizing over trying to remember being that happy, it was long ago.

I stand corrected in my initial replies on this thread and applaud those who have found themselves in this euphoric state of bliss. I apologize for coming off so snippy.

Maybe I will someday find it again, but somehow..I doubt it.

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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 9:20:03 AM   
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sexyred1, it's time for me to give you a public service announcement.  Please note that I am not talking about the op, just what we read from time to time around here.  I find that some people need to proclaim in order to convince themselves.  I also believe that in some cases we are seeing one small part of a relationship being played out.  I never assume that we are seeing everything in its entirety or that relationships that seem wonderful truly are.  They may be dysfunctional situations that we wouldn't step near and the people involved are just trying to feel good about what they are dealing with.  Of course some may actually be functional, happy relationships, I'm not discounting that it isn't possible to find one's bliss.

It's good to remember that what you see isn't always the way it really is.

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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 10:17:10 AM   
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It's good to remember that what you see isn't always the way it really is.


I remember just a couple of months after I left my marriage (from what I can remember of that time - sometimes you go through so much pain it's all a blur in retrospect), I was resisting joining my family for Thanksgiving.  I told my cousin I couldn't bear to hang out with all these happy families with their happy children, going home to their happy houses.  Every smile would just be a knife piercing my heart.  She said, "Oh don't worry about that.  It's all delusional." 

I still ran away to New York for Thanksgiving, but her words helped me at the next family gathering.

Still, it really is possible to be happy in one's relationship, and I never wanted to grow so cynical that I couldn't believe it.  It took a lot of effort to refuse to be bitter.  The payoff was last week when I had to face my ex husband in my lawyer's office, and...well....it was painful for him. 

SexyRed1, I applaud your honesty in your post.  Don't lose hope too soon, though.  Life may surprise you.

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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 11:27:24 AM   
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I find that some people need to proclaim in order to convince themselves. I also believe that in some cases we are seeing one small part of a relationship being played out. I never assume that we are seeing everything in its entirety or that relationships that seem wonderful truly are. They may be dysfunctional situations that we wouldn't step near and the people involved are just trying to feel good about what they are dealing with. Of course some may actually be functional, happy relationships, I'm not discounting that it isn't possible to find one's bliss.

It's good to remember that what you see isn't always the way it really is.


This is very true.... sometimes what we see on message boards is not what is going on in real life... at the same time I do not think it really matters one way or another what people post about their relationships being happy or unhappy... what strangers experience in their relationships really has no impact on any of us when we stop to think about it.

I take people at face value, not only on the internet, but in real life too. It makes my life less complicated. I have been in the position of administering questionaires to people on many topics to gather information for studies. Then I take the data, both quantified and qualitative, and then I try to get a picture of what these people experience in their lives. One school of thought with doing these sorts of studies is that people do not really know what they are talking about because most of their motivations are subconscious anyways... the other school of thought is that people tend to know themselves far better than "experts" ever can know them, and we should take them at their word... i am for the second school of thought. I tend to believe what people tell me about themselves. But then again, I am too busy trying to understand my own motivations in this world to second guess other people's....

As far as my own "happy" situation, I did not respond to this thread on purpose even though I have followed it. I tend to value the challenges and the "not so happy" times in our relationship as much as the "happy" ones. I have had tremendous growth from the unhappiness... life is what it is. No, our relationship has not been completely happy through out... I never once stopped loving him, and he has never stopped loving me through the unhappy times... and that to me has more value than all the fair weathered moments we could ever share. To look into your lover's eyes and see the pain because of the pain they have caused you... it really demonstrates how deep the love can go.

Now my relationship is what it is, it is perfect for me... my life is perfect, even when it isn't. It is all about creation, allowing people and things to be what they are that gives my existence those moments of perfection. Even if people have relationships that aren't perfect for me, that I wouldn't want for myself, and that they are attempting to convince themselves are better than they actually are... well that is their thing, their lesson, their journey... as such, it is perfection because I believe people create exactly what they are trying to every single time... but that is just my belief system and not something I can back up with any sort of evidence





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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 11:37:45 AM   
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I stand corrected in my initial replies on this thread and applaud those who have found themselves in this euphoric state of bliss. I apologize for coming off so snippy.

Maybe I will someday find it again, but somehow..I doubt it.


We all get snippy from time to time (the stories my family could tell about me)

I sincerely hope that you find a way to overcome these doubts, there is so much hope in the world, and some of that hope is deep down there waiting for the person that is worth it to spark you... From what  I have read of you, your sharp wit and  intellect would be easy for most men to fall hard for.

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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 12:18:35 PM   
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I stand corrected in my initial replies on this thread and applaud those who have found themselves in this euphoric state of bliss. I apologize for coming off so snippy.

Maybe I will someday find it again, but somehow..I doubt it.


We all get snippy from time to time (the stories my family could tell about me)

I sincerely hope that you find a way to overcome these doubts, there is so much hope in the world, and some of that hope is deep down there waiting for the person that is worth it to spark you... From what  I have read of you, your sharp wit and  intellect would be easy for most men to fall hard for.


Thanks, but I think those two attributes are not in high demand from what I have experienced in real life. They seem more in demand here!!

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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 3:26:51 PM   
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You know, I really love this thread..  'Cause it's a microcosm of what real life is.  I've been in places where I couldn't find happy regardless of who or what was going on in my life .. because it just wasn't there.  It can be incredibly joyful, and I've learned and am learning to take the joy at face value because it's rare and precious.  Life is such a journey and a lot of it can be pure crap at times.  Sometimes, like now, when life is great, I thoroughly enjoy reading about someone's happiness; at other times it makes me wanna puke.  (nothing personal!  lol) 

And yes, with most relationships the only people who know what's really going on are the two in it, and even they have different versions of their truth.  And yes, on the boards we only get one side, and one piece of the puzzle - sometimes it's a problem that doesn't seem to make sense until the OP clarifies, and we think 'gee, if only you'd said that in the first place!'  Sometimes it's talking about how wonderfully happy and in awe someone is with their relationship.  It doesn't mean they don't argue about who brings out the trash.  lol  Right now I happen to be in an 'upswing' where I'm feeling good things for the first time in a very, very long while.  Last month I woulda been puking.  lol 

Gawd, I am so rambling on here and sound like such a Pollyanna ... debating hiting 'ok' and posting, but WTF ... lol 

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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 4:40:33 PM   
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Bound2One I'm so glad to hear things are better for you...I know ALL too well how badly life can suck. Yeah I also know that we all only here what people want us to hear on these boards... TRUST me when I tell you when I read some of the responses to threads, I think,  "well damn...when I grow up I wanna be a perfect slave like so and so"  LMAO.... So I get it, and I try real hard not to sugar coat my shit...but I'm human, and I'm sure I do to some extent.

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RE: WTF? - 1/29/2008 4:45:47 PM   
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well damn...when I grow up I wanna be a perfect slave like so and so"


But then you would not be "yourself"

 
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and I try real hard not to sugar coat my shit...but I'm human, and I'm sure I do to some extent.


Well it is "your" shit, so why not sugar coat it if you like?

I never assume people give the complete story of their relationships on CM, why would they? My "stuff" is my "stuff". I am one of those people that never talks shit about people I love behind their back... just the way I am. Why would I be any different on CM?


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