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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 5:59:28 PM   
ThundersCry


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However the urge to make a comment from my expeirences...
 
Just got overturned.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 6:06:55 PM   
slaveluci


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ORIGINAL: RoughFN
So how does that sound? I've been really curious to know if the slave would be turned on or shocked. After all, that's his lady and owner that's reduced to acting like...him. What would the after effects be? Ruin the relationship? Mildly unsettling? Nothing at all? Horribly disturbing?

It sounds horrible and it would totally and negatively alter my perception of my Master and Owner.  No man or woman is going to dom/top Him.  He's not interested and I'm surely not.  No interest whatsoever on either of our parts.  We'll leave the serving and submission to me, thank you...............luci

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 9:16:24 PM   
trainedobedients


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Status: offline 		If i would ever top my Dom/Master the relationship would be altered for ever and in my opinion ended. I am sure Master feels the same. I would no longer respect him and I am sure that is the other way around. Lol, even if I tried I would not succeed but it would piss him off and wonder if I am really submissive. I accept who and what I am and we complement each other, why change that balance.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 10:07:43 PM   
Owner4SexSlave


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Status: offline 		Wow, this one even blows my mind a little.   Why not allow yourself to be topped by a Domme and have your sub/slave watch it?  Think that would have the same effect that you are looking for here.  If it's just a scene you could work out the details before hand.   So basically the scene is really a MIND FUCK on the sub and not truely submitting. 

I have a problem with how the words "top" and "submit/submission" get interchanged at times.  Those are two completely different concepts in my book with different meanings and context.


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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/29/2008 10:35:35 PM   
AquaticSub


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quote:

ORIGINAL: RoughFN

So how does that sound? I've been really curious to know if the slave would be turned on or shocked. After all, that's his lady and owner that's reduced to acting like...him. What would the after effects be? Ruin the relationship? Mildly unsettling? Nothing at all? Horribly disturbing?


I wouldn't care about the fact that he was being dommed. I'd be annoyed at the mind fuck of me being tied up and not knowing what is going on. Mind fucks just aren't my kink.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/30/2008 8:52:02 AM   
DesFIP


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I wouldn't care about the fact that he was being dommed. I'd be annoyed at the mind fuck of me being tied up and not knowing what is going on. Mind fucks just aren't my kink.


Not to mention that the second the new dom walked into the room I'd be screaming bloody murder, demanding to be untied followed by calling the cops to get the new dom out of here. Wonder how being arrested would play into the op's scenario.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/30/2008 1:29:45 PM   
Beans


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Such a thing would turn my world upside down and I would not be able to view the dominant in the same light again.


I couldn't agree more.

It would most likely end the dynamic if not the relationhip. May sound shallow but it is what it is.


My thoughts exactly

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/30/2008 1:45:33 PM   
marajade


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Status: offline 		i couldn't do it. It would upset me incredibly to see Master in such a position. i do not think i could look at Him in the same light. He is the one in control and to see Him not would destroy me.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/30/2008 1:58:29 PM   
Tannie


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Status: offline 		If I was in the kind of relationship where we shared each other, I'd be pretty entertained by the whole thing, once I got over the minor shock of seeing a new person walk into the room.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/30/2008 2:07:23 PM   
venusinblu


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Status: offline 		This thread disturbed me so greatly last night that I actually had a dream about it! .. In my dream I saw my Master kneeling in front of a Domme, she was hooded, so I couldn't see her, and he kissed her feet, I woke up crying!

Note to self .... Don't eat garlic bread and read CM before bed ...


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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/30/2008 2:11:22 PM   
sweetsub1986


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Status: offline 		I would be honored that my Dom saw fit to let me witness his submission to another. It would make him no less my Dom...I know he very occasionally like to switch and since I do not switch I would be more that delighted than he got to fulfill that need and that he values me so much he made it possible for me to be involved in as much as I can(watching). It would not change my adoration of him at all. As far as the bit about me(the slave) having no prior knowledge...I trust him and know he would  never do anything that he honestly thought would be harmful in any way.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/30/2008 4:18:45 PM   
Evility


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Status: offline 		Isn't it interesting how many submissives can only see their dominant in a dominant light so long as he never deviates from that role? To each his own... but my impression as I read these responses is "how superficial".

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/30/2008 4:42:25 PM   
trueshadow


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Status: offline 		I wouldn't have a problem with that.  Although I've never been in such a position, I sometimes envision myself as a beta slave to an alpha slave.  Seeing the alpha slave, who would dominate me, dominated, wouldn't make me think less of him/her. 

If my overall Dom/Domme did that, though, come to think of it, might mess with my mind a bit.  It's hard to say before such a thing would happen.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/30/2008 4:55:42 PM   
xxblushesxx


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Status: offline 		Look, I don't have a problem with my Dom being submissive.
The HUGE problem I have with this scenario is that I would have no idea what is going on, and thus, would be devastated because I couldn't 'save' Him.
If I did get out of my restrainsts, the one doing the domming would be VERY VERY sorry.
If I couldn't get out, I would be heart-broken thinking the one I loved is being violated against their will.
I couldn't forgive someone letting me believe that.
I do understand the subs who can't imagine their Doms being submissive.
I also realize that some Doms like to be submissive every once in a while.
If mine did, I'd love Him just as much.
If not more for letting me know.

~Christina

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/30/2008 5:18:45 PM   
kyraofMists


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ORIGINAL: Evility

Isn't it interesting how many submissives can only see their dominant in a dominant light so long as he never deviates from that role? To each his own... but my impression as I read these responses is "how superficial".


I know that before I started the relationship with my Lord, it was important to him that I be able to handle watching him be intimately involved with others, whether it was sexual or SM.  It was also important to him that I evaluate my relationship with him based on his interactions with me and not on his interactions with others.

He told me about a play party that he went to before I became his where a dominant played another girl and the dominant's girl refused to watch and went to another room.  That bothered him quite a bit and it would be unacceptable for one of his girls to behave in that manner.  I knew then that I would not shame him in that way.  Most of the time, I have completely enjoyed watching him with others.  There have only been a couple times, when I was not in the right headspace that I did not enjoy it, but there is no way I would have hurt him by walking away.

These things are important to him, so he made sure to be in a relationship with someone that understood and accepted that.  For other dominants, other things are more important so would not require their partner to be able to accept these things.  While the comments made may be unacceptable in my relationship, they are not in other relationships. 

Knight's Kyra

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/31/2008 1:24:31 PM   
DesFIP


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ORIGINAL: Evility

Isn't it interesting how many submissives can only see their dominant in a dominant light so long as he never deviates from that role? To each his own... but my impression as I read these responses is "how superficial".


Our relationship includes monogamy which would not be the case in this scenario, and it includes honesty which this scenario is not. I am to give informed consent freely which I couldn't do when I would not have been given the necessary info. It also includes no mind fucks because they aggravate a mood disorder.

In addition, he knew from the beginning that I need to be able to rely on him long term, meaning 30 years. And somebody announcing he needs to switch roles for the next ten years doesn't fit into my parameters. Wanting sensation play is fine, if I'm aware of it and if it is entirely nonsexual. Plus it is my choice not to watch it.  He would rather I go read a book in the other room than be subjected to something that he knew ahead of time I couldn't handle. And in a situation like this, where both of us would be requiring aftercare and no one would be providing it, it's a setup to destroy the relationship. If I was in the other room, and came in an hour later with a thermos of tea, body lotion and a blanket for him, no problems. Both him and I needing  that and the op long gone with one or both of us still in restrainsts, bad idea.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/31/2008 2:09:13 PM   
venusinblu


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evility

Isn't it interesting how many submissives can only see their dominant in a dominant light so long as he never deviates from that role? To each his own... but my impression as I read these responses is "how superficial".


I have no problem with being seen as superficial about not wanting my Master to submit to another - another woman specifically - I am a jealous and possesive little bitch when it comes to my Master and I don't care what anyone else thinks about that.


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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 1/31/2008 7:03:08 PM   
daddysliloneds


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Status: offline 		forget how i'd feel; let's talk about how you and my so-called dominant would feel after i ripped you both a new asshole

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 12:25:50 AM   
SimplyMichael


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evility

Isn't it interesting how many submissives can only see their dominant in a dominant light so long as he never deviates from that role? To each his own... but my impression as I read these responses is "how superficial".


There is a vast difference between "honey, I am going to sub tonight" and the fucked up scene the OP describes.  I LOVE mindfucks but this is just fucked up.

A good mindfuck can on some level make the submissive doubt the dominant HOWEVER, at the end, it should flip that and show the submissive that the dominant is HYPER aware/careful of the submissive so that the end result is INCREASED trust.

The scene the OP described doesn't do that.  The submissive is left with "what the fuck?" instead.  It isn't that they can't handle their dominant submitting (for some that is an issue) but they can't trust their dominant to take care of them. 

The only way I could see to flip this and make it good would be the same scenario except the male dom does some sort of new play the couple wanted to try on the mistress.  In the end, it is about the mistress being trained to do the play AND experience it as the bottom to increase her skill to bring back to the relationship and allow her to take better care of her bottom.    Clearly wouldn't work for many but it would work for some.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 5:50:47 AM   
kyraofMists


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

There is a vast difference between "honey, I am going to sub tonight" and the fucked up scene the OP describes.  I LOVE mindfucks but this is just fucked up.

A good mindfuck can on some level make the submissive doubt the dominant HOWEVER, at the end, it should flip that and show the submissive that the dominant is HYPER aware/careful of the submissive so that the end result is INCREASED trust.

The scene the OP described doesn't do that.  The submissive is left with "what the fuck?" instead.  It isn't that they can't handle their dominant submitting (for some that is an issue) but they can't trust their dominant to take care of them. 


I disagree with the universal comments that this is "just fucked up" and would cause trust issues.  Now maybe you were only talking about your own relationship and didn't mean to make a blanket statement for everyone.  Clearly from the responses this would have a negative impact on some people, but also from the responses it would not have a negative impact on ALL people. 

Knight's Kyra

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