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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 6:28:24 AM   
SimplyMichael


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Considering how well I know him, there would be little doubt that there was only a pretense of submitting. 


Not everyone has as competent a dominant as you do and even you would have a "little doubt" that it was only a pretense.  Clearly what you three have is not the norm, nor is Knight.

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  Because of that the mind fuck would not have as significant impact as might be expected and I would be focusing more on the topping aspect of the play...  Seeing him in pain would not be a turn on; seeing him enjoy himself would be.


And if it was pain play?  Or if that impact was more significant?

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  It wouldn't ruin the relationship.  There may be some mental and emotional stress that would be resolved in the days following between he and I.


"it wouldn't ruin the relationship" isn't exactly a good result for a scene and again Knight has the proven ability to get you through that emotional stress and as we all know, that is a common gift.

I stand by what I said, the scene is fucked up and while it might not ruin a relationship, I sure don't see it adding to one. 

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 6:34:36 AM   
SimplyMichael


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Kyra,

The op wasn't just talking about topping the domme, he was talking about breaking her, even if it is just a rhetorical flourish it indicates the sort of scene he is envisioning.

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  Again, just so the slave can stare at her lying limp and broken (or maybe just relaxed) on the bed.



I didn't see the "maybe just relaxed" part but from the tone of the OP it seemed the "broken" context was the goal and was certainly what my objections were based on. 

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 8:05:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Not everyone has as competent a dominant as you do and even you would have a "little doubt" that it was only a pretense.  Clearly what you three have is not the norm, nor is Knight.


I am not allowed to speak in absolutes, hence the qualification of little.  Without directly experiencing this scenario then I cannot say with 100% certainty how I would respond.  I expressed how I think I would respond while following his instructions of trying to remove absolutes from my speech.

I think it is sad if our relationship is not the norm.  There is nothing special about who we are or what we do.  We love, respect and have faith in each other.  We are happy.  If that is not the norm for committed relationships, then I think that is sad.

While I do think that he is fantastic, I also know that he would be a miserable dominant and/or top for many others.  What works for one will not work for another.

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  Because of that the mind fuck would not have as significant impact as might be expected and I would be focusing more on the topping aspect of the play...  Seeing him in pain would not be a turn on; seeing him enjoy himself would be.


And if it was pain play?  Or if that impact was more significant?


Then I would know that pain play is what he wanted in the scene.  Seeing him in pain brings out my caretaking desires.  However, I do not satisfy those desires unless he allows it.  Since I have not fully explored my sadistic tendencies, it is possible that seeing him experience pain that he requested would be pleasurable.  However, in the past when he was in pain, I desired to take care of him.

If the mind fuck worked and I thought he was submitting to someone else, then I might think that I learned something new about him or I might feel honored that he allowed me to be present when he explored this new aspect of himself. 

How he interacts with other people does not alter how he interacts with me.  I evaluate my relationship with him based on his interactions with me.

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  It wouldn't ruin the relationship.  There may be some mental and emotional stress that would be resolved in the days following between he and I.


"it wouldn't ruin the relationship" isn't exactly a good result for a scene and again Knight has the proven ability to get you through that emotional stress and as we all know, that is a common gift.

I stand by what I said, the scene is fucked up and while it might not ruin a relationship, I sure don't see it adding to one. 


The OP specifically asked if it would ruin the relationship, and I answered that question.  The only thing that will ruin our relationship is if he intentionally does something that he knows will harm me or our relationship. 

We have had a number of scenes and experiences that have caused mental and emotional stress for us.  Their impact has been to strengthen and enhance our relationship.  There has been a very negative scene for me that added to and enhanced our relationship.  It isn't whether the scene is good or bad that impacts the relationship.  It is how we respond and support each other despite whether things are good or bad that impacts our relationship. 

I would hope that that is common amoung people who are committed to each other.

Thank you for your response.

Knight's Kyra

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 8:32:41 AM   
SimplyMichael


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I think that what you three share is quite uncommon and rather special.

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  It isn't whether the scene is good or bad that impacts the relationship.  It is how we respond and support each other despite whether things are good or bad that impacts our relationship


And some scenes/events require more skill than others to do that, this is one that would require a lot of skill, clearly Knight has it but as these boards attest, many don't.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 9:01:33 AM   
kyraofMists


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I think that what you three share is quite uncommon and rather special.


I appreciate that; thank you.

I think what I notice most often is that the people within the relationship tend to be on opposite sides of the issues that come up.  They appear to be out to prove the other wrong and themselves right at the expense of the relationship.  We don't do that; the relationship comes first and we do what is best for it.

I suppose in many ways the three of us have different perspectives because we all three have witnessed significant people in our lives have very meaningful and happy relationships for a long time.  My parents, his parents and Alandra's grandparents are all still married and happy with each other.  These are all people who raised or helped raise us. 

We see ourselves growing old together; sitting on the porch swing enjoying our lives.  Of course, not on a day like today when it is about -30 F outside.  Hopefully, we will live somewhere warmer by then  *g*

My best to you and BSB; hope you have a great weekend.

Knight's Kyra

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 1:47:12 PM   
SimplyMichael


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They appear to be out to prove the other wrong and themselves right at the expense of the relationship.  We don't do that; the relationship comes first and we do what is best for it.


This is one of those tidbits of wisdom that if more people embraced we would see a lot more happy people in longer and more fullfilling relationships.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 3:31:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I think that what you three share is quite uncommon and rather special.


I appreciate that; thank you.

I think what I notice most often is that the people within the relationship tend to be on opposite sides of the issues that come up.  They appear to be out to prove the other wrong and themselves right at the expense of the relationship.  We don't do that; the relationship comes first and we do what is best for it.

I suppose in many ways the three of us have different perspectives because we all three have witnessed significant people in our lives have very meaningful and happy relationships for a long time.  My parents, his parents and Alandra's grandparents are all still married and happy with each other.  These are all people who raised or helped raise us. 

We see ourselves growing old together; sitting on the porch swing enjoying our lives.  Of course, not on a day like today when it is about -30 F outside.  Hopefully, we will live somewhere warmer by then  *g*

My best to you and BSB; hope you have a great weekend.

Knight's Kyra

Thank you Kyra..  I'll bet you don't miss the weather here one bit either! (I wouldn't!)

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 4:45:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RoughFN

I'm curious to know what some subs would think of this scenario.

I've always had an interest in running a scene where I get to top a domme (just since I like girls, but feel free to flip around the scenario for a dom submitting, it just wouldn't be to me). The specifics aren't necessarily important, but would probably skew more towards what I normally like - light bondage (enough to restrain her), a good long flogging, and inevitably some sexual activities as well.

Further, the effect I'm going for isn't focused on topping a domme or anything. I'm not out to demonstrate to another top that she's twuely submissive and should bow to my charms or anything. I mean, I'd expect her to play along and be respectful in the scene, but I'm not concerned about whether she's really submitting or just playing along.

I'm much more interested in messing with the slave. I have no interest in doing anything with the slave (nor do I care if it's a guy or a girl), only the domme.

A rough outline would be...

Domme takes her slave into the room and ties her/him to a chair rather securely. I'm thinking a nice wooden chair with arm rests so there's plenty of points to secure his arms, legs, torso, neck to the chair very securely. Maybe secure the chair to the floor, too, to ensure that it won't tip over. The point is that he won't be able to move but will easily be able to watch.

Next, I get to come in, and the domme promptly submits to me while the slave watches. He wouldn't have any prior knowledge of what's going to happen or that I'll be involved, just that he's been tied to a chair and that his lady will be doing something to him next. I'm sure the first thoughts when I come into the room would be, "Oh shit, what's this guy gonna do to me?" but it would quickly become obvious that I'm just there to top his mistress.

We run the scene, clear up and leave. To complete the effect, I'll make sure to leave her lying facedown on the bed as I go and have her not get up or move for at least a few minutes. Again, just so the slave can stare at her lying limp and broken (or maybe just relaxed) on the bed.

After that, she gets up and...well, I don't necessarily care, though I would be curious to know the effect on the slave afterwards.

So how does that sound? I've been really curious to know if the slave would be turned on or shocked. After all, that's his lady and owner that's reduced to acting like...him. What would the after effects be? Ruin the relationship? Mildly unsettling? Nothing at all? Horribly disturbing?


{just so the slave can stare at her lying limp and broken }
 
You specifically pick a Domme ( female ).
 
You use the term "broken" ...   your desire is to undermine a females authority with another, by using your power carelessly and labeling it "topping" or "bdsm" or "kinky". ??
 
Do you have a problem with female authority figures?
or females in a position of power?  that you need to see them broken and their power usurped.??????
    
 
I agree with LdyHathor
   to do this to ones submissive without prior knowledge is unacceptable and cruel on the part of the domme.  What is SHE trying to prove in letting you do this to her and her sub ?
 
Sounds like a trainwreck waiting to happen.
You would both deserve to be derailed.
unfortunately the submissive would crash right along with you two silly sausages..





 
 
 

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 5:00:35 PM   
Honsoku


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I think this scenario is in the back of the mind of almost every submissive/slave that puts "no switches" on their profile. Most trust their dom/me to be the authority. This scene totally demolishes that trust, as the new person appears to be domming the submissive/slave by proxy.

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 7:47:41 PM   
kyraofMists


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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

Thank you Kyra..  I'll bet you don't miss the weather here one bit either! (I wouldn't!)


My pleasure, BSB. 

I don't miss the weather one bit.  It is absolutely gorgeous here; we are in a river valley and can see the river from the living room window.  When you take a walk outside, you can see the deer tracks in the snow.  With the wind chill it was -54 the other day and I have no desire to be anywhere else.

Take care,

Knight's Kyra

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"Passion... it lies in all of us. Sleeping, waiting, and though unbidden, it will stir, open its jaws, and howl. It speaks to us, guides us... passion rules us all. And we obey..." ~Angelus

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RE: watching your master/mistress submit - 2/1/2008 9:04:39 PM   
creatrix


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I just gotta say that I would enjoy it immensly to be tied to a chair and have a woman come in a Dom the hell outta my Former... Shit I think I would probably want to know ahead of time so I could have one over on HIM!  He was/is such a prick at times (out of play) and it would be almost a vendictive thing. (yeah, yeah I know, like almost pregnant... yeah, okay, I admit it! It WOULD be a vendictive thing LOL). I had an opportunity to switch with him once and he liked it, but NEVER would admit to it... but I would get a kick out of it.

*good slave gone bad* (only in her mind though)


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