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Justme696 -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:15:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MASTERat21UK quote: From what age do you take them serious? Thanks for your answers. GoddezzT` Age is never something to judge by. Certainly not on the basis of experience. Tomas. experience is something that evolves in time. therefor it might be related to age. If you are 25 now and started at 18, then you propably have experience. IF you are 19 now and started at 18, then you propably have less experience then the previous example.

MASTERat21UK -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:17:50 AM)
LOL

Justme696 -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:19:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Duskwolf Hmm... I guess coming from a 22 year old, this reply isn't going to mean anything, based on your opinion... :P But I'll continue anyway. I know for a fact that in my lifetime I've had more life experience than some people I know that are in their 30's and 40's even. I've seen things they've never seen, learned things they don't know or don't care to know, and I've done things they've never considered. So does a number of years actually equal the ability to present oneself in any form? No. Does a number of years only allow you to know, learn, understand, or appreciate so much? No. A number of years, is just that, you can't measure what a person can learn, or experience in a set timeframe, it's different for every person. Having said that, I'm in a similar boat with some of the people who find wording like "thanx" and "grinz" to be less than a convincing in this discussion... Especially taking into consideration the number of the "younger" generation who type in such a way. Ironic in a sense, isn't it? But anyway. As far as anyone who won't take Me seriously because of My age, All I have to say to that is that they are too close minded. Plain and simple. Age is a number, not a limit to experience, not a barrier. Thats My 2c though... Make of it what you will. see, you sound pissed, because of some ones opinion. And you judge me wrongly. I started at 16....and I sucked at it..experience wise. I admit that..because I have been in situations, since then, from which I learned. I gave examples...and if you read all posts..you wil see my opinion. You propably just read my last one, which is an example about how experience is build. Your post has the same meaning to me as all the others..no matter what age. quote: I know for a fact that in my lifetime I've had more life experience than some people I know that are in their 30's and 40's even. I've seen things they've never seen, learned things they don't know or don't care to know, and I've done things they've never considered. give us examples and we tell you

Lynnxz -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:23:12 AM)
But in all seriousness... Why do you even care?

Justme696 -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:25:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz But in all seriousness... Why do you even care? about what? Because we discuss. Do you discuss issues you don't care about? Some one replies to my post, therefor I answer. Your remark has no value, but his opinion has vallue to me. Besides that..it is just decent to react to some one that adresses you.

Lynnxz -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:30:59 AM)
No, why does it matter how old someone is? Where exactly is the line? Is 25 ok? what about 30? If you can't come up with an exact number, then technically, I dont think you have an arguement, because as you age, you will still look down upon the same exact people... because they are younger than you. The same guy that you thought didn't have enough experience when he was 20, you are STILL going to think is a jackass when you are 84, and he's 60. "Damn kids! Get off my lawn!"

MASTERat21UK -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:32:05 AM)
Granted, but that is time not age. One's experience comes with time. AGE, is irrelevant apart from personal tastes which a submissive or Dominant might have when looking for their Dom/sub, you can perhaps judge someones experience through the TIME spent in education & practice but AGE however is unimportant. Apart from in certain cases personal tastes. Tomas.

Justme696 -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:35:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynnxz No, why does it matter how old someone is? Where exactly is the line? Is 25 ok? what about 30? If you can't come up with an exact number, then technically, I dont think you have an arguement, because as you age, you will still look down upon the same exact people... because they are younger than you. The same guy that you thought didn't have enough experience when he was 20, you are STILL going to think is a jackass when you are 84, and he's 60. "Damn kids! Get off my lawn!" lol read what you want to read. See you can see words on a screen or try to understand them. Again, if you read back to previous posts you will see I don't judge people on their age. I was trying to say..that experience is build in time. That is all. Discussing an issue also means that peopel have different opinions....not fitting yours. You can either use it to gain experience or ignore it. ps: where the hell did I made it look if I look down on younger people?

Justme696 -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:39:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MASTERat21UK Granted, but that is time not age. One's experience comes with time. AGE, is irrelevant apart from personal tastes which a submissive or Dominant might have when looking for their Dom/sub, you can perhaps judge someones experience through the TIME spent in education & practice but AGE however is unimportant. Apart from in certain cases personal tastes. Tomas. yeah true. Can agree with that in some level. There are good Doms that are younger no doubt about it. (and we all have been young...and propably thought we were doing or did fine) But when you are older...and had more time...you learn. That is why school has several classes. That is why there are senior mechanics and junior mechanics in companies. Not saying a senior mechanic is always older, but mostly they are. Because of experiences. And yes for sure..there are enough younger people that impress me with what they know.

MASTERat21UK -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:46:07 AM)
My conclusion. Experience comes with Time comes with Age. But never judge on age alone. Tomas.

MissMagnolia -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:50:52 AM)
Mostly directed at lynxz This is a ridiculous argument. No one is saying chronological age is the issue. The issue is experience. Lifes experience. A 20 year old, adventurous as he/she may be, can't possibly have experienced some things that older people have. For example, how many 20 year old's have a mortgage, a dog and three grown up children? How many 20 year olds have worked in fields where dealing with traumatised, abused children? Rape victims? How many 20 year olds have organised a funeral? Been retrenched from a job and worried sick because no one wants to hire a middle aged woman/man, preferring younger applicants? THAT'S the kind of experience that people are trying to illustrate. I am 47, I have a 22 year old son. I KNOW what he's experienced and what he hasn't. He has yet to face many, many experiences and he readily admits that. Seriously, you need to look at what's really being said here. You seem to be taking it as a negative thing. It isn't. It just is what it is. Kudo's to Tomas and Justme on your posts.

Justme696 -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 2:52:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MASTERat21UK My conclusion. Experience comes with Time comes with Age. But never judge on age alone. Tomas. Exactly, and you are a good example..that young people (my god I sound old) can be taken serious. thank you for the compliment MissMagnolia

Dnomyar -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 4:41:48 AM)
I look down at younger people and older ones to. Im 6'6" I can do that.

Justme696 -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 4:57:15 AM)
lol you may

DerangedUnit -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 5:23:26 AM)
i think everyone on this thread agrees that its experience not age that matters the only thing that people arnt agreeing on is how old you have to be to have that experience its obvious that most 20 year olds most likely havent experienced as much as a 50 year old but there are excepions and thats what some people on this post dont seem to realize at 10 i may not have had the maturity of someone 3 times my age but i most likely had the experience.... your thinking that someone who is a Master in their 20's could have only had a few years of experience but many who claim this at this age have been involved for much longer then most and have experienced things inside the lifestyle and in day to day life that most older people will never be able to understand.

Justme696 -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 5:31:07 AM)
quote: dont seem to realize at 10 i may not have had the maturity of someone 3 times my age but i most likely had the experience.. that is a weird example..because at 10 you don't know the world, walk at the hand of mom, while some one of 30 can go where he wants..and surely has more experience. That I dare to bet on. When some one gets adult (say 16+??)..and can go his way as an indidual..then (atleast in my case) a lot changes. But 10...well...perhaps some do mature early. Or at least do think so.

Dnomyar -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 6:10:49 AM)
Mmmm at 10 do you have more experience at driving a semi truck than a 50 year old.

DerangedUnit -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 6:14:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dnomyar Mmmm at 10 do you have more experience at driving a semi truck than a 50 year old. of course thats not what i was refering to Sir being i 've never driven a semi truck but then if that 50 year old also hasnt driven a semi then i'd say i have a fair chance at being His equal

DerangedUnit -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 6:19:30 AM)
and i've never been able to go where i want it's always been where i was told but even at that age it wasnt my mother holding my hand it was not very often i saw either of my parents but spent most of my time with who ever was kind enough to take me in or who ever i proved i was worth something to

Archer -> RE: How can a 21 year old possibly be a Master? (3/14/2008 7:15:12 AM)
Funny how those of us who are tring to actually engadge the young in logical discourse are the ones being attacked for not taking them seriously. LOL The ones not taking you seriously have long since abandoned the post shaking their heads. I look for ways to take people seriously, sometimes they make it really hard to do so. Medical eveidence has been put forth that the section of the brain that handles risk assesment generally finishes forming between 20 and 23 years old. That's not my opinion that is the finding of medical research. So what bearing does the brains ability to process risk assesment have on being responsible for someone else? That's not an inditement against young people being involved, it is mearly the facts of the matter that have to be taken into account. That said the young people today have a huge advantage over us who have been around for 10-15 years. There is more readily available information on more aspects of the lifestyle than we had access to when we were starting out. When I started out there might have been a half dozen non fiction books about kink by kinky people. Today there are dozens of them. The accumulated knowledge in print accessable to annyone with the interest is 100 times what it was just a few years ago. The information is just sitting there waiting on the young today. I actually envy them a little bit in that reguard. I remember having to make trips to cities hoursaway to even hope to get a little instruction and information. Today that same information is available with a few keystrokes. What took me years to gather can with the same level of desire to learn I had be learned in less than half the time.(mostly talking about physical skills there)

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