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julietsierra -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/1/2008 1:23:44 AM)
hey Prinsexx: From one emotional masochist to another, in good will, and yes, I'd say this to a friend - accompanied by a hug and an allowance for tears... My dear... get your head out of your ass. The man left for a week - not a year. He came to you, participated with you in a mind blowing intense scene and then, didn't follow it up that same night with an announcement that he was leaving, but phoned you later, so as not to ruin your night, to let you know. Yes, I know you're suffering from the flu. Yes, I know this could be sub-drop. But if you are an emotional masochist, then you should be well aware that you have probably attracted an emotional sadist. That's NOT a bad thing - IF you start to take your life in hand and begin the process of revelling in the process. If you are indeed an emotional masochist, for crying out loud, cry, weep wail and all that. Get it out of your system. Do it privately so as not to besmirch your Master, even if simply in reference. And then, when he comes back at the end of a week (a prime time for someone just starting on this road btw), you can go ahead and feel silly and cared for and all that, that you KNOW comes with his return. Be aware and learn from this that you SURVIVED! (Living, you can shoot for next time, it's a process.) But damn it all, get your head out of your ass! Start contemplating his actions in the light of what you think he is trying to teach you. Hold your head up and get through this! ALL of us have some sort of abandonment issues. It does NOT mean we have to be ruled by them. Imagine your emotional self as this whiney little girl inside you stomping her foot and demanding that people (specifically your Master) pay attention to her - my favorite is Angelica from the Rug Rats. Next imagine what you'd do with Angelica if you were her mother, then do it with yourself. )I usually send myself to my room where I can't bother everyone else until I can get ahold of that part of me. I have family members around that I don't need to upset by my little tantrums, so I go to my room and read) http://youtube.com/watch?v=raIGJ4OiTvY As far as his "heartlessness," let's just pause and think about that for a moment... He comes to you, he provides for you this intense scene. Ok, so he's not as demonstrative as you'd wish. Well, baby, it's not all hugs and kisses out there, and I'd guess that you've had more than one person in your life giving you those and then walking right away from you for all time. He, on the other hand, is not leading you on. He's not cow-towing after you. He's being fucking DOMINANT. Just relax, know that your tears are making his day a lovely thing and RECOGNIZE that his actions, specifically the process of caring enough to leave you with a really really really good time with him to hold you over during the time he will be gone IS his way of being demonstrative. So what the fuck are you doing shoving that in his face and saying you know he doesn't care? Right now my dear, I'd say you don't know a damn thing. Get through this week. Cry, yell at the dashboard of your car (oh the tales mine could tell!) get OVER yourself and get ON with living!! Show that man that you can be the asset he wants you to be - NOT the liability of someone clinging and fawning over every movement he makes. He is NOT answerable to you. He does NOT have to be there for every somewhat difficult moment in your life. YOU DO have the strength to do this stuff yourself. So he's an amputee... Do you ever for ONE moment stop and think about what that means in the overall formation of the man? This man has endured more pain in his life than you can even begin to imagine that you're dealing with by him being gone for a WEEK. For crying out loud!!! He's SHOWING you that you CAN endure!!! And just so you understand, most emotional masochists can't be TOLD this shit. They have to EXPERIENCE it. He's allowing you to experience the entire range of your emotions - not just the ones that make you feel good. Oh, and just so I'm clear, I'd be willing to bet that he's not asking or expecting you to be emotionless. He's helping you to reach the point where you are in charge of your emotions. People can have emotions. They just shouldn't allow their lives to be ruled by them to the point where they are incapacitated by them. From what I've read of your experiences, you're still learning this. So... (and yes, these are the words I use when having this same conversation with myself from time to time)... shut up, sit down and like Greyhound, leave the driving of this bus to him!!! You WILL survive. And when it's all said and done, you might just learn to appreciate the long and difficult trip you're on. hug juliet

Prinsexx -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/1/2008 2:39:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heartcream Prinsexx, you mentioned about counting, and waiting for someone to come parent you, among other things you would wait for. I have a friend who I have heard use the words, 're-parent', 're-parenting ourselves'. You could come to your own rescue here, you could be the loving, understanding and accepting parent you may crave at times. Sometimes we can feel no one is listening and that sort of thing. The thing is we can listen to ourselves, we can be there for ourselves the way we wish someone else would be. Thankyou as i know you have been reading my previous stuff to know about the counting. It's deep abandonment fear...privation is a place in childhood, where, if you have never had it, you can't reproduce it in adulthood and say; look this what it feels like to have no light, no food, no heat, no stimulus and just be left waiting. Every parting reproduces that sense of nothing, endless nothingness. So yes, there are resources deep inside me but they are not se;f=parenting as i dunno what that is and i suppose that since i have been a single parent of three pretty well turned out young ones, i picked up the skills, relied on instinct and pretty much over compensated on the way. But the point is this; i would rather rlealeae myself and walk away than have Him release me and that's the truth. because to have Him reject me first...well it's pretty much black and white isn't it. There's no going back once a Master kicks the slave out.

Prinsexx -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/1/2008 3:04:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: julietsierra hey Prinsexx: From one emotional masochist to another, in good will, and yes, I'd say this to a friend - accompanied by a hug and an allowance for tears... My dear... get your head out of your ass. The man left for a week - not a year. It seems like a life time......... He came to you, participated with you in a mind blowing intense scene and then, didn't follow it up that same night with an announcement that he was leaving, but phoned you later, so as not to ruin your night, to let you know. Yes, I know you're suffering from the flu. Yes, I know this could be sub-drop. But if you are an emotional masochist, then you should be well aware that you have probably attracted an emotional sadist. The flu is better and I am back to work. It was also sub-drop as the scene had made me as high as a kite. He is an emotional sadist anduses every subtle tool of it with as much skill as most would yield a cane, wield a crop or snap a whip. That's NOT a bad thing - IF you start to take your life in hand and begin the process of revelling in the process. If you are indeed an emotional masochist, for crying out loud, cry, weep wail and all that. Get it out of your system. Do it privately so as not to besmirch your Master, even if simply in reference. And then, when he comes back at the end of a week (a prime time for someone just starting on this road btw), ....in my previous Dom/sub a week's shut off was usual....but that was done BECAUSE I had behaved in a certain way...here He is away well simply because He chooses to be....you can go ahead and feel silly and cared for and all that, that you KNOW comes with his return. Be aware and learn from this that you SURVIVED! (Living, you can shoot for next time, it's a process.) But damn it all, get your head out of your ass! Start contemplating his actions in the light of what you think he is trying to teach you. Hold your head up and get through this! ALL of us have some sort of abandonment issues. It does NOT mean we have to be ruled by them. Imagine your emotional self as this whiney little girl inside you stomping her foot and demanding that people (specifically your Master) pay attention to her - my favorite is Angelica from the Rug Rats........now how the good heavens did you know that a Dom named me Angelica??? She is a character in my books,,,the one who lives avanilla life and LIES...... Next imagine what you'd do with Angelica if you were her mother, then do it with yourself. )I usually send myself to my room where I can't bother everyone else until I can get ahold of that part of me. I have family members around that I don't need to upset by my little tantrums, so I go to my room and read) http://youtube.com/watch?v=raIGJ4OiTvY As far as his "heartlessness," let's just pause and think about that for a moment... He comes to you, he provides for you this intense scene. Ok, so he's not as demonstrative as you'd wish. Well, baby, it's not all hugs and kisses out there, and I'd guess that you've had more than one person in your life giving you those and then walking right away from you for all time. i am the one who does the walking as the mushy lovey dovey sentimentality just give me the heaby jeabies......He, on the other hand, is not leading you on. He's not cow-towing after you. He's being fucking DOMINANT. Just relax, know that your tears are making his day a lovely thing and RECOGNIZE that his actions, specifically the process of caring enough to leave you with a really really really good time with him to hold you over during the time he will be gone IS his way of being demonstrative. So what the fuck are you doing shoving that in his face and saying you know he doesn't care? Right now my dear, I'd say you don't know a damn thing. You're right...i don't know my arse from my elbow or my anus from my apex.....Get through this week. Cry, yell at the dashboard of your car (oh the tales mine could tell!) get OVER yourself and get ON with living!! Show that man that you can be the asset he wants you to be - NOT the liability of someone clinging and fawning over every movement he makes. He is NOT answerable to you. He does NOT have to be there for every somewhat difficult moment in your life. YOU DO have the strength to do this stuff yourself. So he's an amputee... Do you ever for ONE moment stop and think about what that means in the overall formation of the man? This man has endured more pain in his life than you can even begin to imagine that you're dealing with by him being gone for a WEEK. For crying out loud!!! He's SHOWING you that you CAN endure!!! And just so you understand, most emotional masochists can't be TOLD this shit. They have to EXPERIENCE it. He's allowing you to experience the entire range of your emotions - not just the ones that make you feel good. OK got it. Oh, and just so I'm clear, I'd be willing to bet that he's not asking or expecting you to be emotionless. He's helping you to reach the point where you are in charge of your emotions. People can have emotions. They just shouldn't allow their lives to be ruled by them to the point where they are incapacitated by them. From what I've read of your experiences, you're still learning this. So... (and yes, these are the words I use when having this same conversation with myself from time to time)... shut up, sit down and like Greyhound, leave the driving of this bus to him!!! You WILL survive. And when it's all said and done, you might just learn to appreciate the long and difficult trip you're on. hug juliet Thank you from inside and outside the box....

julietsierra -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/1/2008 3:54:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx quote: ORIGINAL: julietsierra hey Prinsexx: From one emotional masochist to another, in good will, and yes, I'd say this to a friend - accompanied by a hug and an allowance for tears... My dear... get your head out of your ass. The man left for a week - not a year. It seems like a life time......... Yea... I know. But it's not - at the most, it's only 7 little days. He came to you, participated with you in a mind blowing intense scene and then, didn't follow it up that same night with an announcement that he was leaving, but phoned you later, so as not to ruin your night, to let you know. Yes, I know you're suffering from the flu. Yes, I know this could be sub-drop. But if you are an emotional masochist, then you should be well aware that you have probably attracted an emotional sadist. The flu is better and I am back to work. It was also sub-drop as the scene had made me as high as a kite. He is an emotional sadist anduses every subtle tool of it with as much skill as most would yield a cane, wield a crop or snap a whip. oooh, I do understand this completely... that's what it's like over here too. I've just come to appreciate his skill rather than crying about the fact that I'm his canvass. To tell the truth, I'm pretty proud of the fact that he can feel free enough to practice his artistry on me and that I'm strong enough to withstand the artwork and flourish. That's NOT a bad thing - IF you start to take your life in hand and begin the process of revelling in the process. If you are indeed an emotional masochist, for crying out loud, cry, weep wail and all that. Get it out of your system. Do it privately so as not to besmirch your Master, even if simply in reference. And then, when he comes back at the end of a week (a prime time for someone just starting on this road btw), ....in my previous Dom/sub a week's shut off was usual....but that was done BECAUSE I had behaved in a certain way...here He is away well simply because He chooses to be....you can go ahead and feel silly and cared for and all that, that you KNOW comes with his return. And it'll take some time, but if you stick it out, rather than running scared, you'll be rewarded by the most amazing moments when you can physically feel the fear leaving your body. I am in awe each time it happens, and more than awe, I am beyond grateful. Be aware and learn from this that you SURVIVED! (Living, you can shoot for next time, it's a process.) But damn it all, get your head out of your ass! Start contemplating his actions in the light of what you think he is trying to teach you. Hold your head up and get through this! ALL of us have some sort of abandonment issues. It does NOT mean we have to be ruled by them. Imagine your emotional self as this whiney little girl inside you stomping her foot and demanding that people (specifically your Master) pay attention to her - my favorite is Angelica from the Rug Rats........now how the good heavens did you know that a Dom named me Angelica??? She is a character in my books,,,the one who lives avanilla life and LIES...... Next imagine what you'd do with Angelica if you were her mother, then do it with yourself. )I usually send myself to my room where I can't bother everyone else until I can get ahold of that part of me. I have family members around that I don't need to upset by my little tantrums, so I go to my room and read) http://youtube.com/watch?v=raIGJ4OiTvY Did you watch the youtube video? It's pretty telling as to how that little girl inside us is acting...and here's the killer secret: the person she is manipulating the most.. is us. As far as his "heartlessness," let's just pause and think about that for a moment... He comes to you, he provides for you this intense scene. Ok, so he's not as demonstrative as you'd wish. Well, baby, it's not all hugs and kisses out there, and I'd guess that you've had more than one person in your life giving you those and then walking right away from you for all time. i am the one who does the walking as the mushy lovey dovey sentimentality just give me the heaby jeabies......He, on the other hand, is not leading you on. He's not cow-towing after you. He's being fucking DOMINANT. Just relax, know that your tears are making his day a lovely thing and RECOGNIZE that his actions, specifically the process of caring enough to leave you with a really really really good time with him to hold you over during the time he will be gone IS his way of being demonstrative. Well, while the lovey-dovey stuff doesn't ALWAYS give me the heebie-jeebies, I AM much more comfortable with it happening sometimes rather than always, and strangely enough, when it happens sometimes I appreciate it even more. So what the fuck are you doing shoving that in his face and saying you know he doesn't care? Right now my dear, I'd say you don't know a damn thing. You're right...i don't know my arse from my elbow or my anus from my apex.....Get through this week. Cry, yell at the dashboard of your car (oh the tales mine could tell!) get OVER yourself and get ON with living!! Show that man that you can be the asset he wants you to be - NOT the liability of someone clinging and fawning over every movement he makes. He is NOT answerable to you. He does NOT have to be there for every somewhat difficult moment in your life. YOU DO have the strength to do this stuff yourself. So he's an amputee... Do you ever for ONE moment stop and think about what that means in the overall formation of the man? This man has endured more pain in his life than you can even begin to imagine that you're dealing with by him being gone for a WEEK. For crying out loud!!! He's SHOWING you that you CAN endure!!! And just so you understand, most emotional masochists can't be TOLD this shit. They have to EXPERIENCE it. He's allowing you to experience the entire range of your emotions - not just the ones that make you feel good. OK got it. Oh, and just so I'm clear, I'd be willing to bet that he's not asking or expecting you to be emotionless. He's helping you to reach the point where you are in charge of your emotions. People can have emotions. They just shouldn't allow their lives to be ruled by them to the point where they are incapacitated by them. From what I've read of your experiences, you're still learning this. So... (and yes, these are the words I use when having this same conversation with myself from time to time)... shut up, sit down and like Greyhound, leave the driving of this bus to him!!! You WILL survive. And when it's all said and done, you might just learn to appreciate the long and difficult trip you're on. hug juliet Thank you from inside and outside the box.... Hey, no problem...there just aren't a lot of us out there and sometimes...it's just damn hard. But you can do it, and the week is nearly over. Now, think about what you did learn during this week so you have something you can tell him THAT'S UPBEAT!!! Let him know what you've accomplished - if you can do it honestly (cause believe me, there will be more tears...it's just that the good stuff will follow shortly too.) You can do this. Oh.. by the way...if you haven't figured it out yet, you can run from the uncomfortable feelings, but a) they're always going to be around at one time or another and b) you'll never escape them, so better to be able to manage them than run from them. Oh... and one more even MORE important thing...I know it's hard.. but QUIT attributing what other dominants have done for you to this guy... If he's as good as he sounds with regard to ES/EM, (hey...what's one more acronym, right?), I'm betting punishment isn't part of the game plan. You are much too good at that process all on your lonesome. He doesn't have to do a thing...you can manage it quite well...So really, you don't have to worry a bit about him abandoning you out of punishment. He's simply got other things he needs to do. To him, I'd warrant, out of sight does not mean, out of mind. You're just going to have to look for demonstrations of how he feels about you to be much more subtle. His tableau is your mind and he's not going to risk harming that. juliet

Prinsexx -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/1/2008 4:47:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: julietsierra His tableau is your mind and he's not going to risk harming that. juliet He has acknowledged my intelligence AND has stated that he imagines me reading my works and how when I enter a room all eyes turn and I arrive......i am all that i can be when i see myself through his eyes.....

MadRabbit -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/1/2008 8:09:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx But for the most part I have been given feedback at least that makes me feel less like a freak; you know as seriously strong career woman and single mom who sexually and emotionally simply also wants to 'belong' to someone who can master the rest of her. Maybe it's the 'slave' types who don't come out on the forums enough, aren't allowed to or are controlled in a way where air time is a priviledge. Maybe there are only slaves who have courteous, loving and thoughtful masters (this we both know is lalaland). And yes maybe it's a simple case of incompatibility.....but I am not ignoring or discouting anyone's input. It's got nothing to do with being a slave- that's just a convenient distraction for you so you don't have to actually work on the issues within yourself. I don't know a single person who hasn't struggled with how to balance being true to who they are versus what the external world expects of them- again, being a slave is irrelevant. You've been told as blatantly and as directly as possible what you need to ask yourself and what you can do to REALLY effect change within yourself and to start to seek your real sense of fulfillment. It will be interesting to see if you choose to actually put them into action. NEENER NEENER NEENER, I am not listening to you... sticks fingers in his ears and sticks out his tongue Unless your willing to give me the sympathy and pity I so desperately crave in my online spectacles, your just a pumpkin eater.

Prinsexx -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 2:50:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross It's got nothing to do with being a slave- that's just a convenient distraction for you so you don't have to actually work on the issues within yourself LA: with respect. Please try telling all the slaves around collarme that slavery is 'just a convenient distraction'. I would be interested in seeing the responses you get. Self-appointed Holy Grails and Librarians of collarme are also a distractions but it's not one i'm interested in. I think it's fairer to say that watching soaps is a distraction to me but at the moment i am far too involved in working on myself............

Prinsexx -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 4:57:48 AM)
This started out as a rhetorical question ans became a public hanging. But here's something about how deep sado-masochism can go.... Master has heard me and He listened even though i thought He had put the phone down. It was a deep regression moment for me back to a time of abandonment and He knows. He's smacked the facade off my face and the public persona out of my personality. I understand completely what binds Him to me as much as i understand what binds me to Him. I know from what He has shared in those moments of intimacy i say are lacking...they are not. i know of my beauty when i kneel before Him and that is not my ego speaking it is because i know that it is my beauty that He needs to own, it is in my beauty that he finds His power...but he needs also to own all of me and what He is saying is that He will remain regardless of the fact that it is me myself i that cannot see the beauty because all i feel at those moments, most of my moments like this, is fear of abandonment/feelings of being a loathsome object of my mother's derision and venom. What i present to others He makes it impossible to present to Him. But He elicits my real me in order to ensure both that He is accepting of it and able to encompass all parts of me. No-one can punish me with any object, whip or cane, more cruelly than His emotional understanding of who i really am. When He reaches my inner pain and self-degredation He is the only one who will accept it, and own it as His.

Rover -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 6:07:30 AM)
Cue the violins. John

KatyLied -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 6:13:43 AM)
quote: Cue the violins. Does this mean the fat lady is about to sing? Please.

MadRabbit -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 7:05:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover Cue the violins. John rubs the tip of his index finger and thumb together for the OP

kyraofMists -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 7:59:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross It's got nothing to do with being a slave- that's just a convenient distraction for you so you don't have to actually work on the issues within yourself LA: with respect. Please try telling all the slaves around collarme that slavery is 'just a convenient distraction'. I would be interested in seeing the responses you get. As a slave, I happen to agree with LA. If I was using the fact that I was a slave or in a "slave mindset" (which I have no idea what that is) to avoid working on the heart of the issues that I had, I would very much hope that someone would call me on my shit. Knight's Kyra

julietsierra -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 8:17:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross It's got nothing to do with being a slave- that's just a convenient distraction for you so you don't have to actually work on the issues within yourself LA: with respect. Please try telling all the slaves around collarme that slavery is 'just a convenient distraction'. I would be interested in seeing the responses you get. As a slave, I happen to agree with LA. If I was using the fact that I was a slave or in a "slave mindset" (which I have no idea what that is) to avoid working on the heart of the issues that I had, I would very much hope that someone would call me on my shit. Knight's Kyra It's one thing to find someone to beat you silly. It's another to find someone to serve because you feel a desire to serve. It's still another to find someone who will participate in the process of exploring sexuality. However, it's quite another to find someone who uses the mind above all else. When someone is attracted to and becomes involved with a responsible emotional sadist, it's virtually impossible NOT to work on your issues. Unfortunately, it's when the work becomes very public that everyone feels the need, freedom and indeed, right to criticize, demean and otherwise put down that person for doing the very thing that they say she should be doing. (And yes, I do understand that if you put your business out here, then you open yourself up to everyone's views) Yup, we've all been witness to the up again, down again, in again, out again episodes of prinsexx's struggles. And perhaps we shouldn't have been. However, emotional sadism done right presents each and every one of her insecurities in bright lights for her to learn to deal with and work through. Sometimes, people can't manage the work and they leave the relationships they're in. Sometimes they can and they thrive, but I guarantee you, even in the relationships that thrive, there are periods of such angst as to be absolutely and unequivocally painful and to even sound... like they're possibly losing it. During that time, MANY MANY MANY people who can't imagine this journey like to point out that they should just kick his abusive ass to the side of the road and be done with it. They simply do not understand that this stuff is the extreme of what extreme is. Sure our Masters could use knives and needles and brands and all that. But they don't. They use our very insecurities against us in ways that help us eventually come to terms with them - if we're strong enough. Now, I have no idea whether Prinsexx is strong enough or not, but I can tell you that each thing she's said here has resonnated with me at some level. I've been down the road she's on and it's hurt just as badly. I simply haven't been as vocal about that road as she has. But it's real nice when I see people who really have no clue what living life as an emotional masochist with an emotional sadist is like saying stuff to put her down, demean her struggles and just simply never even bother to try to understand just how difficult things can be. It must be nice to live in such a lovely cuccoon as to never have to worry about facing the more difficult emotions in life - especially if you were someone who has done her best to avoid them at all costs. Thanks everyone. Every now and then, I get a glimpse at just exactly why I don't post about my journey except to explain it from a safer place to others. I don't tell about the tears and the difficulties and the sheer hell it is to go through. However, I do tell about the results of living life that way - the joy, the laughter, the extreme bliss I often find myself in once the tears have given way to knowledge. Now I do understand why my Master once explained this at the "holey moley of them all" and said "if you can do this, you can do anything." And I'm so glad he has shown me that this is indeed true. Would I ever put my business out there as Prinsexx has done? Probably never. But it doesn't make her journey any less valid. Whether she can continue to do the work she's currently working on remains to be seen. What doesn't remain to be seen is the ability of others to refrain from putting her down as she does so. That's been pretty much proven out. And no, I'm not pitying her. I don't really see where "get your head out of your ass" could be construed as pity. However, I do understand where she's coming from. I sometimes wish others would take the time and make the effort, regardless of how insignificant they think it is, to try to wrap their heads around something they might just not have an interest in or ability to do. Believe me, the emotions she's dealing with really do flip just as fast as we've been watching. Oh.. and I'm a slave as well...or is one style of slave so much better than another? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything if you're not, nor have ever attempted to be involved with and find the pleasure that is possible in emotional SM. It's definitely not for the weak of heart or those looking for lovely romantic interludes with the Masters of their choice. juliet

Prinsexx -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 8:32:52 AM)
i simply know that 2,488 p `eople have viewed this thread since i opened it. i am delighted if even one of them has been 'stuck' in anyone of those feelings i have disclosed and that it has helped them. It is those private emails i have received which have been astounding in their in-sight, advice, intelligence and proactive rather than the reactive 'get your head out of your arse' retorts. It very easy in my opinion to learn to tie a knot, drip the wax and crack a whip so that there is a fundamental agreement as to the right way to do it. Such behaviours will eventually become mainstream and co-opted if enough people claim imitation. Howevere, it is my choice to lay bare my feelings and deeper if i could, as these are the invisible characteristics of what is known as sado-masochism. Or did i stumble across match.com instead of collarme (must be because my head is either still up my arse or in the abandonment pit perhaps)?

julietsierra -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 8:36:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx i simply know that 2,488 p `eople have viewed this thread since i opened it. i am delighted if even one of them has been 'stuck' in anyone of those feelings i have disclosed and that it has helped them. It is those private emails i have received which have been astounding in their in-sight, advice, intelligence and proactive rather than the reactive 'get your head out of your arse' retorts. It very easy in my opinion to learn to tie a knot, drip the wax and crack a whip so that there is a fundamental agreement as to the right way to do it. Such behaviours will eventually become mainstream and co-opted if enough people claim imitation. Howevere, it is my choice to lay bare my feelings and deeper if i could, as these are the invisible characteristics of what is known as sado-masochism. Or did i stumble across match.com instead of collarme (must be because my head is either still up my arse or in the abandonment pit perhaps)? lol... now you KNOW that when I said "get your head out of your ass" it was meant in the nicest possible way. juliet

Prinsexx -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 9:21:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: julietsierra quote: ORIGINAL: Prinsexx i simply know that 2,488 p `eople have viewed this thread since i opened it. i am delighted if even one of them has been 'stuck' in anyone of those feelings i have disclosed and that it has helped them. It is those private emails i have received which have been astounding in their in-sight, advice, intelligence and proactive rather than the reactive 'get your head out of your arse' retorts. It very easy in my opinion to learn to tie a knot, drip the wax and crack a whip so that there is a fundamental agreement as to the right way to do it. Such behaviours will eventually become mainstream and co-opted if enough people claim imitation. Howevere, it is my choice to lay bare my feelings and deeper if i could, as these are the invisible characteristics of what is known as sado-masochism. Or did i stumble across match.com instead of collarme (must be because my head is either still up my arse or in the abandonment pit perhaps)? lol... now you KNOW that when I said "get your head out of your ass" it was meant in the nicest possible way. juliet sorry (crawling).....thing is my head was so far up there i didn't even hear............

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 10:11:17 AM)
I'll also take the opportunity for those who might not know that I started as a slave and was owned property for years. Check out EmeraldSlave2 and all "her" posts to get a deeper understanding of my background. You are using "being a slave" as an excuse for not really dealing with the actual problem. I know plenty of slaves who have masters far harsher than what you've described (heck you need to meet my ex) and while they have hard times and tough times, they do not bring themselves to this sad state and certainly would not blame it on their "being a slave" and call it a day.

KnightofMists -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 10:49:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: julietsierra Unfortunately, it's when the work becomes very public that everyone feels the need, freedom and indeed, right to criticize, demean and otherwise put down that person for doing the very thing that they say she should be doing. (And yes, I do understand that if you put your business out here, then you open yourself up to everyone's views) Yeah... How dare people feel the need, freedom and indeed right to criticize, demean or otherwise put down the a person for trying to help themselves! Just the other day... I had problems with my car... So I went to my doctor and asked what I can do about it! He gave great advice.. but I am still having problems with my car... so I went to another doctor for a second opinion. I just don't get it.... I have went to several Doctors and I am still getting the same problem with my car. I sold the damn car... cause I couldn't get it to work.... the guy I sold it to... well he put some gas in it and drove away rather happily. mmmmm I guess I shouldn't of given up and instead go and find another Doctor to seek advice from..... I bet the guy I sold the car too was a Doctor. The lesson I learned was never give up!

KnightofMists -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 10:52:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover Cue the violins. John and stoke the fires..... this going to be heart warming

Prinsexx -> RE: is there a protocolfor leaving a Master (2/2/2008 11:07:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I'll also take the opportunity for those who might not know that I started as a slave and was owned property for years. Check out EmeraldSlave2 and all "her" posts to get a deeper understanding of my background. You are using "being a slave" as an excuse for not really dealing with the actual problem. I know plenty of slaves who have masters far harsher than what you've described (heck you need to meet my ex) and while they have hard times and tough times, they do not bring themselves to this sad state and certainly would not blame it on their "being a slave" and call it a day. LA i am really not into scoring points.

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