RE: Wrath of God???

Lol - christians shouldnt were mixed fibres either - so bang goes wearing rubber and leather together - darrum.... ah - poly cotton fabrics....[:'(]

To be frank though, there are laws that are meant to apply to all of humanity and other laws that only apply to the Jews, and that Deut. law is one that applies to ortho Jews. Though Christianity used Judeaism as its foundation, Jews do not consider Christians to be Jews and visa versa.

I could be betty as well, but thats for another time...

Peace and Love

See - I don't just get this at all.

I really want to see where it says this? I know that murder is a sin, in biblical terms, but nowhere in the bible does it state that Suicide is a Sin.

Many people commited suicide in the bible, both OT and NT - even leaving the fine line between suicide and sacrifice - people still commited suicide - but nowhere in the bible does it say its an actual sin.

Peace and Love

See - I don't just get this at all.

I really want to see where it says this? I know that murder is a sin, in biblical terms, but nowhere in the bible does it state that Suicide is a Sin.

All I can say to that is 'AMEN BROTHER' (sorry - couldn't resist[;)])

God is Love. You can pretty much start and end there. I find it strange when the fundamental christianity preachers of hate present such 'Acts of God' as an answer to sin. When biblically - God stated He wouldnt do it. It's that favourite game of taking the ingredients one wants to cause guilt. God doesnt want people to follow Him out of guilt - but put of LOVE. Time and again people misquote and misunderstand hebrew/greek into English - and still insist in following ancient doctrine instigated by others and not God. Cross dressing, food, homosexuality, suicide... all these are badbadbad in their eyes - yet its fine to hate, as long as its in Gods name?
Bullshit.

Peace and Love

This is the best I can explain it - I hope I make it clear.

The whole Planet, Ant - that means parts at a time also. God just will not destroy any of the earth again, whether that be all at once(like the great flood) or bits at a time (tsunami).

God stated he wouldnt curse the earth because of man again. He created the rainbow as a reminder of His covenent between God and the earth that He made to Man.

Also, God gave His only son so that those who have sinned and that believe and repent with truth will be saved. Therefore, God has no need to destroy or curse the earth, for all sin is forgiven through Jesus if you accept Him.

In the same way, suicide is not a mortal sin because God a) Never stated it was and b) If its argued that suicide is a sin, then all sin is forgiven through knowing Christ. In the same way, selfless sacrificing of oneself for another won't get you automatically into heaven either.

Peace and Love

Yes, in a sense Ant. However you have to remember that the orginal translation is lost in English or other modern day languages. I would really urge you study the ancient languages to be able to fully comprehend works such as the bible (besides, study beats visiting forums always!), as well as reading the books that were 'convenently' left out. Do not rely on one simple translation, because each leaves something out.

It is always good to rememeber that some of revelation text and the other books will be metaphors and some will be actually event - Never be mistaken that events like the one you mentioned, would not be on a small scale. Events like that will be huge, Gods not going to be woosey about something like that if it is to be taken as His word. But it is always helpful to focus on Gods covenents with Man to tell the difference. Sure the end times may(or may not) have started, but one has to be aware that Gods promise comes above everything else and that their will be liars and fakers - He said that Himself - and these people will try to corrupt peoples thinking - like the so called church mentioned in another thread on here and their messages of hate on why such events like katrina happened.

Katrina happened because the world is a natural place - not some judgement from God. Not because of Gods wrath or smyting and the like. Something I always look at when hearing people profess about the word of God is this -

Is there hate.
Is there judgement.
Is any money involved.
Do they want my energy.
Is self sacrifice mentioned.
Is my time desired by them.
Do they want something from anyone - including me.
Are they invoking fear or trying to influence using fear as a tool.
Are words being used, words that the bible never had in them (Like suicide and homosexuality)
Are they claiming greatness and strength in something else other than God in their proclaimation (an idol - ie a building, person, country).

If any of the above are true, even slightly - I walk away. Thats not the word of God. Thats the voice of something altogether more suspect. God doesn't teach hate or bigotry or judgement. He teaches Love and Peace.
When violence of fire and brimstone occurs, it will be His, not the planets. When there is judgement to be made, it will be His, not anyone elses - especially some church up its own arse with taking the moral high ground. Hate and bigotry isnt in His vocabulary, so those you won't even see from Him and in His words.

OK - for those of you hear that don't believe the same as me, I was responding to Ant and it is not my intention to offend any of you. However I make no apology for my belief. Assumptions about me can be made on that - but judgements for God Only.

Peace and Love