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MistressFaye1 -> Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 9:02:55 AM)

To all of those that emailed me and wanted updates to my thread entitled Like Mother, Like Daughter?, I proudly am posting an update.

My daughter has gone through an educational process that will rival most of her college courses.  I've given her reading materials and we've had numerous conversations, and have allowed her to observe non-sexual interactions between me and my submissives (two that are in training).  A beginning for the submissives and a beginning in real time action with my daughter.

The real time has been her observtions of conversations of my expectations, demonstrations of how I want to be greeted, and I allowed her to observe a discipline session.  (it was mild, the infraction of the submissive was minor).

Her mentor has been preparing to take over the more sexual aspects of her training when she turns 21 on the 25th of this month.  Her first event will be the Mistress Dinner on the 23rd (close enough).  She will be pampered to and catered to by the slaves/submissives there. 

The dinner is to celebrate Valentine's Day and the club's sixth month anniversary and to introduce her to the club members and celebrate her birthday. 

Though she has done her assignments well, her head and heart are in the right place, I'm curious to see how her reactions will be away from her comfort zone of being at home.  I'm proud of her progress!

So...in honor of this event, I pose these questions and I will share rhe answers with her:
 
What was your first, real time experience like as a Domme learning the lifestyle?
 
What did you learn from it?
 
If you could have done anything differently that first time, what would it be?
 
My Baby Domme and I await what I'm sure will be interesting, inspiring, and sincere responses.

Faye




Shawn1066 -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 10:36:10 AM)

I just had a thought as I was reading this, and a question...  Would you have been just as proud and supportive of your daughter had she turned out to be a submissive?  I assume the answer is yes, but I'm just interested to hear your side of things on that.

DV's Fox




MissHarlet -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 10:45:35 AM)

Im not sure I could have taught my own child about the lifestyle ... but would certainly have answered questions and found them a mentor I respected..... I also am  interested to  hear if your reaction would have been different if she had been submissive.




swtnsparkling -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 10:47:50 AM)

I find all this kinda creepy




Nats -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 10:59:56 AM)

 The process of learning who one is, their likes, dislikes, and what they have a passion for should be cherished, nurtured, and have experiences cultivated for enhancing it. I never saw the other thread, so I'm unsure why anyone would wonder why her reaction would be different if her daughter was submissive. It's the same as implying that those qualities which she cherishes in a mate would somehow be unacceptable for her in her daughter... and that makes no sense to me.




Nats -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 11:02:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

I find all this kinda creepy


Thanks for that enlightening bit of judgmental wisdom.




swtnsparkling -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 11:13:41 AM)

quote:


quote:

ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

I find all this kinda creepy



Thanks for that enlightening bit of judgmental wisdom.


judgmental?- I never said you are wrong or anyone else is wrong
I simply stated for me I find it kinda creepy- not my thang.




fluffyswitch -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 11:14:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Nats

It's the same as implying that those qualities which she cherishes in a mate would somehow be unacceptable for her in her daughter... and that makes no sense to me.


i think i see the other poster's point though...unfortunately it does happen if the orientation of the daughter isn't the same as the mother, even if the desired traits are the same. when i came out to my mom it didn't matter that we look for the samet type of person, she reacted to the fact that i was looking for it in a potentially same sex relationship.

not saying that would necessarily happen in the op's case, i don't know them nearly enough to make that kind of judgement nor would i really want to.




MissHarlet -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 11:26:50 AM)

It was just a question, for I know that sometimes we have different reactions to things that are different to ourselves in our children even in vanilla life.  I am also curious if how you trained her would have been different if she were a submissive.... meaning would you have done as much of the training yourself.   It is an interesting concept to me... one Im not sure how I would have handled. ... nor how much I would be comfortable handling .... It is certainly food for thought.




AtlantaMistress -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 11:39:30 AM)

No time to answer the questions posted by the OP - will try to get back to do so....but thought this would be the appropriate place to note that I have just gotten MY MOTHER into D/s - she is naturally dominant - I certainly came by it honestly. For a variety of reasons, I finally convinced her to set up a profile (LadySharon). She has seen me form relationships and become totally independant and extremely happy since I have embraced both the lifestyle and profession. She is overwhelmed at how much fun she had communicating with several subs who just want to take her shopping (mostly for shoes - all those heel whores - she's eating it up & LOVES shoes), and simply spend their time and effort to please her. She is going to start going out to clubs with me to see demos and learn how to play, and I am so tickled by the whole thing!

I also have 2 daughters, and OP - I appreciate the post because it won't be long before these Goddesses to be are ready to start to learn - 10 years may seem long, but time flies when you are having fun, and my life is FUN!!![sm=biggrin.gif]




thetammyjo -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 12:17:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shawn1066

I just had a thought as I was reading this, and a question... Would you have been just as proud and supportive of your daughter had she turned out to be a submissive? I assume the answer is yes, but I'm just interested to hear your side of things on that.

DV's Fox


I don't have a daughter myself but I do have nieces.

If I thought they were sincerely interested in BDSM and not just following along the BS we got in the family, then I'd make some book suggests to them. They don't live near me so I can't take them to a munch and since I'm not a submissive I can't really be a mentor -- training would be over the line for me personally with a family member. But that I'm using the terms "mentor" and "trainer" in the way I mean then and not generically.




Shawn1066 -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 12:30:58 PM)

Ah, thanks for your perspective on my question, Tammyjoe.  I think, if I were in a similar positon, I'd make the same effort in terms of helping with education.  I'd rather give some awkward, yet helpful, advice and help than have a relative make mistakes...

DV's Fox (No relation to yours...I don't think. :-p)




Nats -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 12:57:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissHarlet

It was just a question, for I know that sometimes we have different reactions to things that are different to ourselves in our children even in vanilla life.  I am also curious if how you trained her would have been different if she were a submissive.... meaning would you have done as much of the training yourself.   It is an interesting concept to me... one Im not sure how I would have handled. ... nor how much I would be comfortable handling .... It is certainly food for thought.


I was questioning/ contemplating more about why a person would feel or think like that (in a generic way, not her specifically), rather than about you or others asking her that question--- purely because that type of a reaction doesn't make logical sense to me (for the reasons that I already stated).

Then again, as you mentioned, we all have our blind spots, biases, and have different reactions to our children in regular life situations. Like you, I'm not sure how comfortable I would be in the same situation, but for me that has nothing to do with my values and views on roles, but rather about my comfortableness in regards to crossing personal boundaries into other realms with my daughter --- definitely an interesting concept and food for thought.[:)]




ShaktiSama -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 2:45:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressFaye1

So...in honor of this event, I pose these questions and I will share rhe answers with her:
 
What was your first, real time experience like as a Domme learning the lifestyle?
 
What did you learn from it?
 
If you could have done anything differently that first time, what would it be?
 


1)  My first serious relationship was with a submissive woman, when I was 18 years old.  Our relationship was relatively brief in the scheme of things, but very intense and playful during the time it lasted.

2)  I learned various things from it, but I suppose the one thing I would pass on to a new dominant of either sex is how lucky you are to begin your journey with a level of self-awareness...and a community that has some system of ethics that you can adopt or reject as you see fit.

Speaking for myself...I went through agonies with my first lover, trying to avoid being rough with her or leaving marks on her milky skin.  I would feel dreadful guilt if I saw a bruise on her body, even though she bruised easily.  It took me years to realize that for some submissives, bruises and marks are part of the pleasure--lingering souvenirs that help them remember a deeply satisfying and pleasurable experience.

Similarly, I think you are lucky to consciously know what you are, and to be able to seek people who are your natural counterparts, with a full knowledge of things like "negotiation".  My first submissive and I were not members of a larger community that could introduce these concepts to us--we just stumbled into our dynamic on our own.  She usually didn't have any trouble getting her submissive needs met, although I was not ready to satisfy all of them.  Once in a while, though, she would resort to terrible things to try and get me to play the way she wanted me to.

I still remember kneeling over her chest on the bed, both of her wrists finally pinned, after she had refused to stop tormenting and bothering me while I was trying to sleep.  I looked down into her eyes very gravely to say "I love you very much...but I do not like this game."

She burst into tears--doubtless as much out of frustration as any other emotion, sadly.  I had met some of the need she had, but not all of it, and she wasn't able to directly articulate that she had to be restrained and disciplined for relief.  Instead she was driven to try and provoke me into real anger to elicit that exercise of power...

If we had been better prepared, she might have been able to simply say what she needed. 

3)  I'm not sure I had the option to do things differently at the time, considering how poor my resources were.  It would have been nice if there had been a supportive community and a loving, dominant mother to give me some idea of how to start.  I know I would have found my own way--I found it without help, after all--but I think I would have evolved much faster as a dominant and a person if there had not been such a long struggle for acceptance, of both my own needs and those of my submissive partners.

As it stands, you are going to have a big leg up on the girl I was at your age, and I am envious.  But keep in mind, as you learn how to navigate and negotiate D/S relationships, that you will still constantly run into people out in the vanilla world who have D/S feelings...but no way to articulate, understand or negotiate them.

Some of these people will probably be drawn to you and may even want to be involved with you, but please...try to be patient, understanding, and tolerant of their goofy behavior!  They will not have the had the benefit of an experienced parent and a supportive community to help them understand that they are "dominant", "submissive", "switch", "masochistic", or whatever...and all they will know is that there is somehting wrong with the way they feel, because the outside world constantly tells them so.

You may have to show a lot of compassion and understanding when they project their fears and doubts onto you, blame you for their sexuality, etc.  But all I can say is this:  you go, Baby Domme!  I hope you find a lot of good things in the books you're reading, I hope you have a lot of fun, and I hope you fly higher, farther and faster, with fewer things to hold you down, than all the generations that came before.

If we can put a little extra wind beneath those wings, I am happy.  [:D]




MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 4:34:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressFaye1


So...in honor of this event, I pose these questions and I will share rhe answers with her:
 
What was your first, real time experience like as a Domme learning the lifestyle?
 
What did you learn from it?
 
If you could have done anything differently that first time, what would it be?
 



Apologies I could not find the original thread despite searching, so some of this might already be addressed.

Faye, I respect you enormously, but this thread squicks me too.

I am Second Generation kinky.  Both my brothers and my father have a successful festishwear manufacturing business (which I have written about elsewhere).  We all know in broad terms what we are and what our partners are.

Having said that, D/s is a form of sexuality.  Any discussion of my parent's (or brothers') sexuality totally squicks me. 

At your daughter's age, my mother tried to tell me funny stories about sticking things up my Dad's bum and I had to stop her.  YUCK!!!

She has also tried to have "girls talks" with me since about BDSM.  I am old - and independent - enough to tell my Mum to shut up and mind her own business about my sex life.  But is your daughter?  20 is an impressionable age when you still strive for Mum's approval. 

Faye, why does Mum wants her little girl to be the World's Best Dominatrix?  What if she wanted her to be the World's Best Fuck?  Would you teach her how to flirt then take her to a brothel keeper for "the sexual aspects of her training"?  How is this "educational process" any different?

As for my father?  I do not want to know!!!  I don't care of he's the best sub on the planet (PS: bet he is not!) or he could get me free training by the best pro-dommes in Australia.  I want my sexual privacy and he wants his.  Do your subs have the same rights?  Is it appropriate for your daughter to also be deliberately exposed to your D/s partners' sexuality?

IMO, this is in danger of being seen as covert incest.  

IMO it is not appropriate for parents to discuss their own sex life with their children or ask intrusive questions about the child's sexuality.  I think it is completely inappropriate to try to shape the child's sexuality in one's own image.  It fails to respect the child's most sacred boundaries - his or her right to have their own unique sexualiy unfold over time at his or her own pace.  








ShaktiSama -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 4:49:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

Faye, why does Mum wants her little girl to be the World's Best Dominatrix? 


The lack of context is probably a serious problem here.

The initial thread was about the OP's daughter coming out as a would-be dominatrix, and asking for help/guidance/ "girl talk".

It's the girl who wants to be The World's Best Dominatrix--or at least, a Dominatrix on her own terms.  She confronted her mother about her sexuality and asked about it herself.  The OP had doubts about what to do, and brought it to the forum for discussion--it was agreed that she should overcome her discomfort enough to help her daughter find some good literature to read, and a trustworthy, respect-worthy D/S mentor to give her tips and pointers about sexual aspects of the lifestyle that the OP would never feel comfortable discussing with her own child.

I'm not going to say anything about the conclusion that some people seem to have leaped to, because I guess there are a lot of sick/bad people in the world and it is never safe to assume that you're not talking to one.

However...not so much in this case, in my opinion.  I really would like to believe that if my own daughter confronted me directly with a desire to express her dominance, that I would handle it as maturely and sanely as the OP has.  It can always be a tough moment when you realize just how much your children are NOT children any more.




swtnsparkling -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 5:12:48 PM)

Orignal thread

Like Mother, Like Daughter?




TruthMan -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 5:54:51 PM)

Then I will say it........this is wrong.

This level of active involvement of a mother with her daughter's sexuality is unnatural, and in my view, sick.

I am curious - where is the father of these young women? What is his assessement of this activity?

Let me guess - he is long gone....................






TribeTziyon -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 6:36:37 PM)

I don't know that I could do this for a child of mine in the depth that you have. It certainly sounds as if it has been an enlightening journey for you both. 




MistressFaye1 -> RE: Like Mother Like Daughter Update (2/2/2008 7:15:16 PM)

 
have read all of the posts so far and will take the time to answer individually.  First of all, I was remiss for not posting the link to the original thread.  I posted this because there have been several that support me and have encouraged me with words of advice.  It was the advice of one that answered the original post to find someone I respect and trust to mentor her, closer to her own age.  I hadn't thought about that.

Someone asks if my daughter was "submissive" where would I stand... I say this to you.  I have a daughter that is bi and SHE is submissive and her submissiveness came as a surprise to me because she tended to be the bully of the others so to speak and was the one I nicknames the "the girl with the curl in the middle of her forehead (nursery rhyme).  Because I've taken the time to truly embrace the lifestyle be it respect and love for submissives, or respect and love for dominantes I understand what it's like to walk in both pairs of shoes.  She did not feel she could tell me about that because she, growing up didn’t know.  It wasn’t until recently, less than six months ago that we had the talk about my lifestyle, that I came clean so to speak.

As my daughters were growing up, I left the lifestyle and it wasn’t until they were grown and gone and several attempts to live the “vanilla” life, I decided to come back to where I find the greatest sense of being who I am. 

If those of you that think I was exposing her to my sexual life, you are wrong.  If you had read the post you will have noted that I am NOT having her participate in anything sexual.  I do not discuss specifics about any sexual play I may be involved in.  My biggest concern when she came to me was that it wasn’t just “the in thing” with those in her age group.  Believe it or not readers, there is a trend (thanks to the internet) of younger and younger “young adults” doing what they think is living the BDSM lifestyle but is using it as sexual exploration.  Dangerously I might add.  She obviously heard, read, or discussed some things with her peers because she was using slang words that I knew nothing of and when she explained what they meant I realized she was asking about the common terms related to BDSM that these younger folks are calling something else.

How sad and how I would have failed her as a parent to tell her, “Get your info elsewhere because this is a topic Mommy is not discussing with you.”  My daughters have been raised to come to me when they wanted to learn or know about something.  If she had sought that information elsewhere and became misguided or heaven forbid, pointed in the wrong direction and hurt, I have no one but myself to blame.

There are some many “posers” on this site and I didn’t want her to be one of them simply because as I said before it seems to be the “in thing to do”.  I wanted to be sure she could explain to me why she felt she wanted to learn.  Her answers were on point.

It was a sad, sad thing for me that I had to go around thinking there was something wrong with me because of the thoughts and feelings I had growing up.  At 19 I began to learn and understand that I am not crazy and that there are people like me in this world that embrace the lifestyle. 

Why is this so different than having the “sex talk” when it’s time?  Why is this any different than talking about where babies come from?  Why is this any different than answering other question about life that may become more and more difficult as they get older? 

Whether we want to face it or not, our children become adults and they formulate their own opinions, become their own person, make their own mistakes, and suffer the negative consequences.  I hope the doors of communication always remain open with all of my children no matter how old they get.

To deny my daughter the opportunity of this growth experience with me in the wings would be like turning my back on her, the first time in her life.  Not only that, to me it implies that I am ashamed of the way I choose to live my life and don’t wish to discuss it with her.

They didn’t grow up with access to the toy chest, nor did they grow up looking at my rack full of toys.  I was Ms. Vanilla MommyLady until they were grown (my reasons for this are many which is not the point right now). 

They asked me why I put a piece of my life on the shelf rather be myself, I told them it was because I was concerned about what they would think, the confusion they would feel, and how they would view me.

The oldest said, “Mom you taught us to be ourselves and to accept and tolerate the differences in others without prejudice. How could we not accept you, when we were old enough to understand and that was way longer than now?” 

I say I did a damn good job raising them.  As for my BabyDomme… she has a MENSA qualifying IQ, is working on a double major (social work and psychology), has been accepted to do an early internship and will in all probability begin her Master’s (in both fields) in another year and to think, she’s barely 21.  Also…she works a part-time job.

It saddens me to read some of these posts… and trust, I will answer them all.

I thank those that are supportive.  All you other Dommes that are so negative:  I hope that if you have daughters, they are open enough to come to you, and you will remember this post and the negativity you so spewed!  How will you deal with it then?

And another thing... who says a D/s relation has to be sexual all the time, yes it's part of it but there are many relationships that are woman lead that nothing to do with BDSM.  The only way for her to know where SHE is with all realms, she needs to experience and that will be at her mentor's guidence when she feels she's ready!

Faye





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