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How would you train an older dog where it's ok to pee i... - 2/2/2008 7:32:17 PM

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There's often times that the poor creature has gone in the house because every one was asleep or it was raining all day. I had the idea of a designated emergency potty area. but how would you train him this area and this area only?

Yes I know you put him out more an stuff an he won't mess the house, but I've put him out numerous times before turning in for bed and we've still found shit or piss in the morning.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 7:36:51 PM

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well...you cant teach an old dog new pee's....i mean tricks.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 7:37:31 PM

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Keep him penned in at night with pads down so it won't matter. You have to be an attentive trainer to know the signs of when he's "ready" and immediately take him to that area. Repetition is key.

But it's really your own fault- the dog can't let himself out.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 7:38:11 PM

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You can try getting some of those pee pads, the hard thing is getting the right scent on that to help him realize that is a designated bathroom area. You can also maybe try getting a portable pen type of situation set up, so he is kept somewhat confined to a smaller area that you can line with paper or what have you.

Oh, and you might try cleaning his other accident areas throughly, so the scent does not remain. If he keeps smelling urine or feces in those spots he will be more likely to think that spot is okay to use.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 7:43:20 PM

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They have to go when they have to go. Older dogs develop special needs, just like older humans do.

Can you set an alarm for 2 or 3 in the morning and let him out then? He's probably just too old to make it all the way through the night now. It's inconvenient, but if it's what he needs, then you have to.

For times when you aren't home, can you keep him in a room with a tile or linoleum floor, i.e. not carpeted, and put down those pee pads? If he does have an accident, it will be easy to clean up then.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 7:48:33 PM

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I am kinda with windy here, how old is the mutt?

you got the dog, you put him or her in the house, not a natural thing, they wanna piss where they piss, but they understand house and dont piss here, but after all their life, you gotta ease them into it and it aint like puppies where you got a clean slate, they have been trained (or not to hold to this and that) and you are changing the deal they made with you.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 8:00:34 PM

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We don't allow him to tank up on water, so he usualy don't need to go He does it about once or twice a week . All though when I wake him up lately he starts peeing instantly lol. I have news paper handy to stick under him while he gets it under control lol. When I'm not home he goes outside if it's nice. if it's not he sleeps on his favorite doggie pad on the screened in porch. Maybe if we put him outside earlier in the evening for longer periods he usualy goes out for the final two pee pee's at 11, 12 or 1 am, pee's an runs back in maybe I can leave him outside for about 5 or 10 mins so he's had a chance to do more than the first pee if he needs to

Mmnotter he's 17 or 18, and of course I wouldn't hurt him over peeing accidents , He's precious to me.

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They have to go when they have to go. Older dogs develop special needs, just like older humans do.

Can you set an alarm for 2 or 3 in the morning and let him out then? He's probably just too old to make it all the way through the night now. It's inconvenient, but if it's what he needs, then you have to.

For times when you aren't home, can you keep him in a room with a tile or linoleum floor, i.e. not carpeted, and put down those pee pads? If he does have an accident, it will be easy to clean up then.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 8:08:17 PM

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Wow, 17 is ANCIENT for a dog, poor baby. It's really unlikely that you'd be able to "train" him to do anything new, especially when he's having so much trouble now holding it. Unfortunately, you're just going to have to nurse him through it all through his final days.....sounds like he's lucky to have you :)

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 8:26:38 PM

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Wind I'll try to send him out earlier and longer. I don't like to cause it's so cold in the evening but I'll find his little doggie jacket, an put it on him. Maybe if he has more time to consider if he's done or not he'll have less pooping episodes.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 8:34:50 PM

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It sounds like he is coming to the end, darlin'. He is quite old and it seems he is incontinent. If you wake him and he cannot control his bladder for that moment, then he is beyond it. Keep him in a room at night that is easy to clean and let him be outdoors as much as possible. Keeping him out longer is not going to make a difference. It's not a matter of training, it's a matter of age.
And when he is ready to go, let him go. Be kind. He will meet you again at the Rainbow Bridge.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 8:36:13 PM

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Litter isnt just for cats, dogs wont scratch and cover but they WILL use a litter pan.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 8:37:52 PM

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17 years is old, i'm going to echo the incontinence statement. With how cold it has been, keeping him out will only make his poor joints ache more than they likely already do. Try to be patient, keep lots of pads and papers around, maybe keep him confined with baby gates. At that age there is not a lot that can be done other than to understand that he is old and can't hold his bladder as he once did.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 8:43:40 PM

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I also suspect he may be just as distressed at the situation unless his mind is not very sharp anymore either. He is probably embarrassed and anxious about it himself, so it won't do any good to scold him. Just try to keep the "accident area" as confined and as easily cleanable as possible. And love him.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 8:46:14 PM

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They make medicine for people who do that don't they? Have you checked with your Vet? Maybe there's a pill he could take.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 8:46:35 PM

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exactly GDG :) i have lost two older dogs in my lifetime, and both had incontinence issues at the end, and they both seemed to hate it, but i wasn't going to yell or make it worse. i just loved them for whatever time i was given with them and kept a carpet cleaner handy. lol

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 9:43:50 PM

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I don't scold him for peeing or pooping indoors, I just sometimes sigh * not always* an then go an get the paper towls to clean it up. I don't think any well potty trained dog likes having accidents, Either. Some people believe you should shot at them an rub their noses in the mess and I don't think so.

When we get our new place We'll set him up a nice comfy area to sleep at or keep him in the bedroom. That was the nice thing about the all hardwood place we wanted but didn't get, we could just wipe up the mess no stain no muss.

so leaving him out for more than just long enough to pee and run in won't help? How about starting pee pee trips earlier an making more?

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I also suspect he may be just as distressed at the situation unless his mind is not very sharp anymore either. He is probably embarrassed and anxious about it himself, so it won't do any good to scold him. Just try to keep the "accident area" as confined and as easily cleanable as possible. And love him.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 9:59:42 PM

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You can try, certainly, but let Me ask you this. Is he having big accidents where it seems his bladder was so full and he just had to go? Or is he having lots of little accidents? I suspect incontinence and it is not necessarily a matter of his bladder being overly full as much as a lack of control due to his elderliness. Same with the BM's. His system is changing but he may also be having a problam with just controlling his lower body and those needs which are now not as normal.
My baby girl had urinary accidents at the end. She also had a bladder infection and at times passed some blood. I had to let her go on Oct 20, 2006 and I still think of her every day. She was 16 years old.
What kind of dog is yours?
At any rate check with the vet, watch his elderly habits and new needs, and try to let him out, even if briefly, say every 2 hours. Going outdoors much more frequently and regularly may help. It might be hard on you, but it is the kinder thing to do for him. And I am sure it is little enough to payback all that unconditional love and adoration. Yes, I am telling you to set the alarm.
Dogs! Ya gotta love them!

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 10:16:25 PM

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Dusty he's a cocker spaniel. When I find puddles in the rug, it's like he had to go an just couldn't wait any more and nobody noticed he wanted out, or he didn't come and say so, cause usualy he'll come find me.

and when I wake him up at night to go pee, and he starts peeing he sprays about a serving spoon size full. or he did last time.

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 11:00:53 PM

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Oh, Cocker spaniels are so sweet. Of course, they all are!
Like I said, just pay attention to the clock and let him out on as regular a basis as possible. It is kind of like training the Mistress, rather than the dog, but it will make the time remaining easier for both of you.
Best of luck with the little sweetheart!

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RE: How would you train an older dog where it's ok to p... - 2/2/2008 11:44:49 PM

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Get him a spacious kennel.. put down puppy pads. food, water, comfy bedding and his favorite 4 toy.. don't let him out until the morning. He'll be happy as a clam and you'll be able to sleep!

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