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RE: Subspace..... - 3/9/2008 3:41:49 PM   
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each to their own, but i still say your not experiancing something doesnt mean it doesnt exsist, you are not the be all and end all of emotional knowledge so i am sure people can freely dismiss what you are saying.  Sorry if that sounded rude it wasnt meant to I simply mean that you are poo pooing other peoples emotions and therefore i feel some sense of need to poo poo your opinion

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/9/2008 3:50:38 PM   
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I describe subspace as high a person reaches where pain and pleasure are simply one. This may be brough on by pain, by pleasure, by looking at a clown, each person is different. I know personally, That when given pleasure in a certian way, my body and mind are altered, I can stay in that state as long as said pleasure is continued. Spank me with a cane, give me a peircing, give me a tattoo.. the normal pain I will not feel as pain but as pleasure, anything I feel during this time is pleasure. I know this, the woman who gave me my first tattoo knows this, my past play partners know this. If you do not believe me, or my claim. Come on over and Ill prove it to you. I dont mind dropping my pants in the name of science *weg*


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RE: Subspace..... - 3/9/2008 7:07:24 PM   
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Hey there captain cjan.. i once met this lovely Lady who i found myself having the need to serve Her. She happened to be much younger then myself and somehow in a very unfortunate time of Her life. Anyway cut the long story short i had to become of some assistance to Her that is purely not in my desire. i let Her know about it that i only complied out of compassion but also because She gave me the opportunity to feel the spirit of the season. i am a single person and for Her to give me the opportunity to feel that i was buying some presents for a child was a real pleasure to me. When W/we contacted each other online after the shopping trip She asked me if i was into "subspace" or not.. It really pissed me off that i did such a act for a sexual release activity and i lost my self control and i really let Her have it.. i regretted that later on due to the fact that i should've forgiven Her cause of Your young of Her age. W/we still are very good friends and since then She does view me in a different angle. She obviously did not know me well, but i am also happy to help Her with anything if She ever needs any of me.


pete, I read this post twice, and still don't get your point. Prolly,  at least one of us has had too much to drink tonight.
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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 2:18:25 AM   
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wish i was drunk.. But friends are there for help at hard times and i just felt the need to offer that help at that particular time. It can happen to anyone pal.

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 2:42:55 AM   
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Dear colouredin. Perhaps when you reach my age you may get to start thinking a little different to what you do now. Feelings such as "subspace" and being spaced out in general are hormonal led feelings. Safe feelings can only come from our brains, and when we are not under influence. Ok, i admit we need the feeling to be led and send into space, whatever space. The warning is that our concious should be always alert to accompany us in those trips for safe landing purposes....

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 2:56:09 AM   
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pete, you're rather out of line on this one, or maybe you have totally misunderstood what is meant by subspace. you said something like "there's no such thing as subspace, it's all in your head". Exactly! That's where subspace IS. It's not a place you go to ... it's a mental state you attain. In everyday life we speak of athletes being "in the zone" or a "runner's high" ... they are also induced states that are similar but not necessarily the same as subspace. They don't require outside chemicals to attain them, they are induced by chemical changes within the person. So is subspace.

Now, the truth is that not every sub will attain the state of subspace, and certainly not all the time. Not every Dominant wants their sub to go there either. Various things will get a sub there, I've seen subs go there from the touch or smell of certain objects, the sound of their Dominant's voice, caresses, bondage, needle play, impact play (spanking, flogging), sensation play ... you name it! Most subs I have observed (and I include my sub side in this) appear to go through some stages ... not identical for all, but there is definitely a progression, a deepening and a change in the way it manifests as the chemicals change in the brain. It seems to Me that the deepest of all is the state described as floating, flying, soaring ... I call it Deep Space 9! While Knight is correct, the chemicals are relatively short-acting and the person comes back to ground (good aftercare can help with that), the psychological effects can continue for considerably longer, and some folks do find themselves to be a bit "la la" or floaty for a few days. Others experience drop ... which is a negative after-effect, best explained by the old chemistry law "to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" or by the adages "what goes up must come down" and "for every high there is a low (or how would you know you were high?)". Drop can also last for several days.

It really is true that just because you haven't experienced it (and I mean a generic you here, not you pete in particular) ... you really shouldn't deny the experience of others. It's real to them and ultimately that's all that matters. And when multiple people say it's real and they've experienced it and relatively few say it's not ... well, one has to wonder on who has the grasp on reality. Also, remember, whether it's subspace, orgasm, or being "slain by the spirit" in church ... any discussion of such experiences are using a word that people have agreed on to refer to their experience and others similar. No one is likely to have experienced it in exactly the same way, there is no recipe, no replicable formula. Just as My perception of the colour blue cannot be the same as yours, but for most people it's similar enough that we can agree that the sky is blue (but we get into all sorts of trouble with the sea, don't we!) ... not everyone's experience of subspace will be the same, but hopefully we can agree on some common ground.

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 3:05:16 AM   
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Dear colouredin. Perhaps when you reach my age you may get to start thinking a little different to what you do now. Feelings such as "subspace" and being spaced out in general are hormonal led feelings. Safe feelings can only come from our brains, and when we are not under influence. Ok, i admit we need the feeling to be led and send into space, whatever space. The warning is that our concious should be always alert to accompany us in those trips for safe landing purposes....


OK now I am sure that you don't really get what subspace is ... yes it is induced by hormones and other chemicals that are naturally produced under certain circumstances. So under what influence are you referring to? Who said anything about safety? Or that it's not safe? If the conscious is alert ... then pretty much, you can't go there! So the whole point is to allow someone you trust to take you there, someone you know will give you the aftercare to help you "land" appropriately. The only aspects that are unsafe could be if you jump into a car and drive yourself home too soon afterwards. It's more the potential aftermath of subspace than the state itself that could have unsafe aspects eg if a sub drops very badly and gets very depressed and has no support. Otherwise, I am not sure exactly how this refers to your previous assertion that there is no such bullshit as subspace, and that you can't expect to live there, it's an illusion etc. No one expects to live in subspace ... it's simply a nice state to attain from time to time. Methinks you have missed the plot a bit here.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 3:14:44 AM   
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pete, you're rather out of line on this one, or maybe you have totally misunderstood what is meant by subspace. you said something like "there's no such thing as subspace, it's all in your head". Exactly! That's where subspace IS. It's not a place you go to ... it's a mental state you attain.




Yup :D

And pete, sorry but i dont think "your age" gives you any more authority than me when talking about feelings, it certainly hasnt taught you how to use grammar correctly. Please dont be so condesending, I dont feel that it is needed.

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petpete

Dear colouredin. Perhaps when you reach my age you may get to start thinking a little different to what you do now.



read - Perhaps when you reach my age you may start to think a little differently than how you do now.


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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 3:22:06 AM   
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Well i cant argue with Your descriptions MaamJay. Sounds like You really have been around the world even faster then Jules Verns 30 days!! Anyway my methods of travelling remain the conventional ways and i'm always weary when i hop on rides. From what it sounds like it's a metaphorical way of a prolonged climaxing (if it can be possible). i will have to respect Your views and every others views even if i would express my caution as to how this is happening. A sub will have to have a great deal of trust and have decided to devote there soul to there owner to experience such a ride ( i assume).

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 3:23:10 AM   
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i have never experienced subspace but i know it exists.  i understand the workings of neurotransmitters.  i understand that for a lot of people, their bodies produce endorphins in response to pain or dopomine or seratonin in response to other stimuli.  That my body doesn't produce a chemical reaction to pain is just me and i'm probably in the minority.  That i've never gotten a 'runners high' or that i appear to be one of those people who cannot be hypnotised... doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just means it doesn't exist for me. 

Some people never dream in color.  Doesn't mean anyone who does is a liar.  Some people are colorblind and can't see orange or other colors and that doesn't mean those colors don't exist. 

Your very arguement against 'subspace' is the argument for subspace.  The feeling of nervous, afraid, etc are a physical, brain-chemisty response to an outside stimulus.  So is subspace as i understand it.

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 3:37:27 AM   
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It sounds like i don't know what the word means all together. The truth is that i am one of those people who are always in control of what i do. That may be the fact why i don't know or likely will never know what subspace is. The satisfaction of knowing of where i stand as a person and can be completely and independently strong at all times gives me a bigger satisfaction that any "subspace" would.

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 3:57:08 AM   
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It sounds like i don't know what the word means all together. The truth is that i am one of those people who are always in control of what i do. That may be the fact why i don't know or likely will never know what subspace is. The satisfaction of knowing of where i stand as a person and can be completely and independently strong at all times gives me a bigger satisfaction that any "subspace" would.


i understand and to each their own but no reason to call subspace 'bullshit' and claim it does not exist.  In my case, the satisfaction of surrendering control to my Master gives me a lot of satisfaction although i am independently strong.  my Master actually loves that i do not go into subspace, because He is a Sadist and enjoys my suffering and that i suffer for HIM and not for my own release into an altered state.  But that's just our dynamic.  YMMV

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 5:31:32 AM   
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I want to file a complaint. I've never spaced for more than an hour or so. How do I get four days of this?
...


Madam

We are concerned that you feel the need to file a complaint and I should like to assure you that the Customer Services Team will do all we can to assist you with your problem.

I would mention that it is most unusual for complaints to be filed here. The Team, together with our unpaid volunteer posters, work hard to meet our customers' every need. Opinions, advice and practical help are always offered in the most caring and considerate way and we are proud of the fact that our posters are solely interested in your well-being and never post their comments in order to criticise or merely to indulge in their own sense of self importance.

Our standards are amongst the highest that can be found in this specialist field and our posters are selected from the very best of the range of experienced counsellors available to us. Whether sub or dom, our posters are all twue and weal and are certified to this exceptional level.

In order to help you with your problem I am pleased to say we are able to offer a "4 days free sub-space" experience to you at no extra charge.

To take up this offer, I should be grateful if you would enter a new post under the title "4 day sub-space required", setting out your requirements in as much detail as you care to give. One of our trained posters will then contact you (indeed you may be fortunate enough to receive offers of help from more than one practitioner) to arrange delivery and implementation of your sub-space experience.

I would mention that, for reasons beyond our control, you may receive additional unwanted marketing material from others, quite unconnected with the Customer Services Team. We strongly recommend that you ignore such material, which can be recognised by its blue colour and the words "Kneel bitch" on the cover.

I am required to alert you to one or two Health and Safety notices:

  • If you choose to enjoy your sub-space experience whilst naked, you should ensure your room has adequate heating and that the supply is suitable for at least 96 hours continuous use.
  • If you are intending to experience a full 4-day sub-space event you should arrange for suitable sustenance - we would recomend an intravenous drip, arranged under suitable medical supervision. Please note that such arrangements can at times reduce the intimacy of your event and thus interfere with your experience. We can, regrettably, accept no liability for such lesser quality experience.
  • Your trained personal poster will come supplied with the necessary skills to induce your 4-day experience; board and lodging for the poster are, however, your own responsibility.
  • Your experience may be recorded for training purposes.

Assuring you of my personal interest in the resolution of your complaint,
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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 5:42:05 AM   
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lol ta for that hun brightened up my day :D

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 8:26:59 AM   
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Snort

Yea, me too, what colourdein said.

Nice boat, btw.


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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 8:38:43 AM   
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I think I got lost can someone draw me a Map to get back to the Point of this thread?

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 9:10:50 AM   
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i have often heard of this mentioned, but since i am still really brand new to this, i would like to know what  subspace is, and can it last for more than 3-4 days???


i was going to start off with a "for many people"....but i won't...read the past posts on subspace and pay particular attention to the posts with endorphins in it...or endogenous morphine (which is what endorphins is short for and people who have done a bit more research will throw that in)...and that will give you a "for many people"....

from another post i made...probably in that list of links, i don't know....

for me, subspace is a form of dissociation...and without getting too deep into psychology...imagine the brain having layers...one section of layers being the "human"  or "evolved" brain and another section of layers being the "animal" or "primative" brain...i consider disassociation, to be the process of peeling back those layers...i am not there, but part of me is...i have never been in a scene where all the layers of the first section have been peeled away...therefore i have never been completely without some element of the "human brain"...it may may take me a little more time to access verbal skills...but they are still there...

now the fun part...to get to subspace the "easiest" way to access it is thru pain or any other intense or prolonged sensation that causes endorphin release (orgasm, laughing, etc)...for the sake of brevity, we will just say pain for the rest of this post...however...i have found that thru training the brain and i would guess (and thats a fairly educated guess) elements of hypnosis you can reduce the amount of pain  - whether that be time or intensity - to induce subspace quicker, down to nothing more than a trigger that when, installed properly, pushed by the right person puts me in subspace with a word or touch or even a look...(much harder than an orgasm on comand...) and in turn...that same technique can be used to keep me out of subspace if the the person on the Top side feels its not safe for me to be there....usually due to the enviorment and the people in it...
[end copy of old post]

and all that being said...if, for you, subspace is a dissociative state, being someone with DID that also dissociates because of traumatic things (i do not relate the two at all, one is a controlled decent, going down in an elevator if you will - subspace, the other is being thrown off a cliff - traumatic dissociation)...yes, i am sure it could last 3 to 4 days...i personally, would not want that...i don't function to well without higher thinking and i like functioning....the walking around and into walls and looking like an goofy [happy] idiot with glassy eyes is only attractive for so long, in my opinion anyway....

chelle

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 9:22:32 AM   
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We are concerned that you feel the need to file a complaint and I should like to assure you that the Customer Services Team will do all we can to assist you with your problem.

Assuring you of my personal interest in the resolution of your complaint,
Richard Brain


Ahh shit, not Dickbrain again. I got a letter from him once. I folded it up and smacked him right smartly with it too.  Sigh.

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 12:32:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MaamJay

pete, you're rather out of line on this one, or maybe you have totally misunderstood what is meant by subspace. you said something like "there's no such thing as subspace, it's all in your head". Exactly! That's where subspace IS. It's not a place you go to ... it's a mental state you attain. In everyday life we speak of athletes being "in the zone" or a "runner's high" ... they are also induced states that are similar but not necessarily the same as subspace. They don't require outside chemicals to attain them, they are induced by chemical changes within the person. So is subspace.

Now, the truth is that not every sub will attain the state of subspace, and certainly not all the time. Not every Dominant wants their sub to go there either. Various things will get a sub there, I've seen subs go there from the touch or smell of certain objects, the sound of their Dominant's voice, caresses, bondage, needle play, impact play (spanking, flogging), sensation play ... you name it! Most subs I have observed (and I include my sub side in this) appear to go through some stages ... not identical for all, but there is definitely a progression, a deepening and a change in the way it manifests as the chemicals change in the brain. It seems to Me that the deepest of all is the state described as floating, flying, soaring ... I call it Deep Space 9! While Knight is correct, the chemicals are relatively short-acting and the person comes back to ground (good aftercare can help with that), the psychological effects can continue for considerably longer, and some folks do find themselves to be a bit "la la" or floaty for a few days. Others experience drop ... which is a negative after-effect, best explained by the old chemistry law "to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" or by the adages "what goes up must come down" and "for every high there is a low (or how would you know you were high?)". Drop can also last for several days.

It really is true that just because you haven't experienced it (and I mean a generic you here, not you pete in particular) ... you really shouldn't deny the experience of others. It's real to them and ultimately that's all that matters. And when multiple people say it's real and they've experienced it and relatively few say it's not ... well, one has to wonder on who has the grasp on reality. Also, remember, whether it's subspace, orgasm, or being "slain by the spirit" in church ... any discussion of such experiences are using a word that people have agreed on to refer to their experience and others similar. No one is likely to have experienced it in exactly the same way, there is no recipe, no replicable formula. Just as My perception of the colour blue cannot be the same as yours, but for most people it's similar enough that we can agree that the sky is blue (but we get into all sorts of trouble with the sea, don't we!) ... not everyone's experience of subspace will be the same, but hopefully we can agree on some common ground.

Maam Jay aka violet[A]



I must applaud you in all that you said! It is exactly what all of my thoughts would have come to eventually...LOL.
Thank You,
Kat

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RE: Subspace..... - 3/10/2008 1:32:46 PM   
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There are 2 types of subspace...
 
Some experience them...some never will.
 
The physical....
 
The mental...

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