KatsClaws12
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ORIGINAL: MaamJay pete, you're rather out of line on this one, or maybe you have totally misunderstood what is meant by subspace. you said something like "there's no such thing as subspace, it's all in your head". Exactly! That's where subspace IS. It's not a place you go to ... it's a mental state you attain. In everyday life we speak of athletes being "in the zone" or a "runner's high" ... they are also induced states that are similar but not necessarily the same as subspace. They don't require outside chemicals to attain them, they are induced by chemical changes within the person. So is subspace. Now, the truth is that not every sub will attain the state of subspace, and certainly not all the time. Not every Dominant wants their sub to go there either. Various things will get a sub there, I've seen subs go there from the touch or smell of certain objects, the sound of their Dominant's voice, caresses, bondage, needle play, impact play (spanking, flogging), sensation play ... you name it! Most subs I have observed (and I include my sub side in this) appear to go through some stages ... not identical for all, but there is definitely a progression, a deepening and a change in the way it manifests as the chemicals change in the brain. It seems to Me that the deepest of all is the state described as floating, flying, soaring ... I call it Deep Space 9! While Knight is correct, the chemicals are relatively short-acting and the person comes back to ground (good aftercare can help with that), the psychological effects can continue for considerably longer, and some folks do find themselves to be a bit "la la" or floaty for a few days. Others experience drop ... which is a negative after-effect, best explained by the old chemistry law "to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" or by the adages "what goes up must come down" and "for every high there is a low (or how would you know you were high?)". Drop can also last for several days. It really is true that just because you haven't experienced it (and I mean a generic you here, not you pete in particular) ... you really shouldn't deny the experience of others. It's real to them and ultimately that's all that matters. And when multiple people say it's real and they've experienced it and relatively few say it's not ... well, one has to wonder on who has the grasp on reality. Also, remember, whether it's subspace, orgasm, or being "slain by the spirit" in church ... any discussion of such experiences are using a word that people have agreed on to refer to their experience and others similar. No one is likely to have experienced it in exactly the same way, there is no recipe, no replicable formula. Just as My perception of the colour blue cannot be the same as yours, but for most people it's similar enough that we can agree that the sky is blue (but we get into all sorts of trouble with the sea, don't we!) ... not everyone's experience of subspace will be the same, but hopefully we can agree on some common ground. Maam Jay aka violet[A] I must applaud you in all that you said! It is exactly what all of my thoughts would have come to eventually...LOL. Thank You, Kat
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