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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 12:11:37 PM   
julietsierra


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Status: offline 		Well, leaving the whole silly discussion of minor family members alone, enough is enough for me when what I do starts to infringe on my capability to do my job, take care of my family members, keep a roof over our heads and not have those same family members have to answer questions they have no business being asked by those outside this family.

Hence, no nipples in public - not because they'd be shocked, but because if they're mine, then the embarrassment they may feel is not necessary. I do care about other people's family members when those family members may complain to my employer and due to that, I might find myself out of a job - with all the ramifications that would imply regarding food, shelter and other amenities of life.

When I'm out with my Master, I wear my collar. No, it doesn't look like a necklace. It is very evidently a collar. But if I was around the corner from my place of employment, or in the neighborhood of those who would be able to communicate things to my employers - I wouldn't.

I'm not someone's pet, so that doesn't pertain to me. I've never worn a leash. Honestly, at this point, I don't see one in my future. But who knows. I do, however, know my Master has many of the same concerns I do, so wearing a leash in public would be even more remote than wearing one at all.

Now, if I saw someone ELSE walking through the mall led on a leash, more than likely, I'd say hi. So would my other family members. Chances are, we know them.

Beyond what I would do, I seriously doubt there would be nipples at the mall since even men are required to wear shirts there - again, not an issue. If my family members actually saw someone like that at a mall - especially someone female, I'm pretty sure one of my family members would hide her face and say "eewww gross!!" and the other family member would follow her around - just to see em again. What can I say? He's a guy.

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 12:12:57 PM   
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Yeah, "those places" like the mall....LMAO...Where the majority of the society would think it's alittle off to have someone on a fkin leash....malls where girls i've known have been kicked out just for wearing an outfit that mall officials deemed in appropriate.

So anything against the majority of society SHOULD be banned?
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Yeah and parents do have to make those descisions, at some point but for fks sake what about courtesy? Is it soooo fkin important to prove just how uber Dommly "you" are that "you" MUST take "your" slave to the mall on a leash?...Why not out to a bar? Yanno those places where they have age restrictions? There are resons that there are laws in place to make certain activities age appropriate

Whatever happened to doing it just because I like it? Is it so fucking important for you to have your kids there?

Again- I'm not imposing on you anymore than you are imposing on me.

How is it discourteous to be naked?  How it discourteous to wear leather?  How is it discourteous to kneel quietly in the corner out of the path of others?

Need I bring up how rarely children act courteously in public situations?

And I'll point out that you've switched tactic- first you were saying I am trying to force the issue, now you're trying to say I'm rude.


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No but the are societal norms, alot of times there are laws to enforce those norms. i don't agree with all of them, but i can either vote to change the laws or i can abide by them.  It would NOT be appropriate for you to show your nipples just anywhere and if you thought you could then maybe you would be arrested or cited for indecent exposure.

Why is it inappropriate to show my nipples anywhere?  Just because a law says it's wrong doesn't make it wrong.

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This is why there are ADULT bookstores, ADULT WEBSITES and why strip clubs are not welcomed in neighborhoods that are residentail. Hell....that WAS my job for 17 years and even i can understand and know the difference between being decent and indecent. Take your slave for a walk on a leash in any adult venue and i wouldn't see the issue in quite the same way, sure no one would be able to consent, but they are adults so it is a differnt thing entirely...

Why?  Why is it different?  How is it "indecent" to be naked?  How it it "indecent" to wear leather?  How is it "indecent" to be led on a leash?

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And NO i can't force my standards on the world, but they aren't just my own personal holier than thou standards AND there are laws that will enforce certain activities (not necessarily a leashed slave)

So you think everything there is a law against is how the world should be?  That laws dictate what is good and right and best for all?

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And not that it would matter to you in the slightest but any respect i had for you is gone if i am understanding you correctly. (not that you can't, won't, haven't said some extremely astute things over time that i have appreciation for but i kind of had a respect level for you as a person before this topic.)

I'm ok with that.  You don't want to respect my freedoms.

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 12:44:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm if I saw that honestly I'd be over asking where the got the lead and collar. Hell chances are they'd be the couple I know from my goth night who show up every friday with the girl on a heavy chain. The mall up here has a nice sign  by all the entrances stating what you can be kicked off the property for. In appropriate attire is one of them, but honestly it would be because someone complain to security. But i'm lucky in that if Itry hard enough I can go to the mall and avoid the big crowds of UMs and their parents.  now as a mom I'll say this, I've gone around with my collar on. It looks like what it is. A big red collar with a O ring on it. I've gone out with my um in his stroller and the collar on.

Did I get looks? more than liikely but more for the fact that I am one of the few african americans in portland that isn't an immigrant.I wear bondage pants on a regular basis, my hair is dyed anythign from blue to red to purple. I wear dreadfalls. believe me the collar is probably the last thing they are looking at unless they are making a paly to look at my tits. I've gone out with a sub had him call me mistress in public, maybe one or two ppl did a double take.  In the end its a matter of how comfortable are you with what you are doing/wearing/saying and the deceny laws in your area. (it pays to know these things so you can shove them in someone's face)

Would i let Diesel lead around on a leash? Depends on my mood and where. He's a Dom, but he's not MY dom he is my bf. Now Papa fromt he bar? he could be my Dom and i've had him lead me around by nothing more than my neck a leash would just be icing on the cake for him. Again its about you as the person and how much you are willing to expose.


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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 12:47:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

So anything against the majority of society SHOULD be banned?


Nope i didnt say that...my point was, that the majority would think that it's inappropriate that is all....i said nothing about SHOULD anything.


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Whatever happened to doing it just because I like it? Is it so fucking important for you to have your kids there?

In most instances i would agree with you....but if it relates to sexual activities or soemthing like drugs, then your desire to do it "cause you like it" i would take issue with if UMs were around, absolutely. And as far as if "being so important to have Ums there"..ummm it's a mall...not a bar, race track, adult theatre etc .....Some behaviors are just more appropriate for certain place...i wouldn't lay on a table in the middle of a crowded restaurant and have sex, i wouldn't down shots at church (if i went), i wouldn't take off my clothes and strip in the middle of a friend's livingroom (uninvited) because there are certain places that are appropriate for certain activiites.

Families go to malls, Ums go to malls and hang with their friends, housewives and grandma's got to malls to shop, couples go to shop...so would i then think it's appropriate to sit down, drink a ton of shots, take off my clothes and swing around the room looking for tips? Or would i do what the mall is for, and shop?

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How is it discourteous to be naked?  How it discourteous to wear leather?  How is it discourteous to kneel quietly in the corner out of the path of others?

It's discourteous if you are naked around someone that doesn't want to see you in all your glory...or else there would be no need for malls cause we'd all just run around naked all the time.....i much prefer being naked to being clothed but i wouldn't go naked to the grocey store.....or when a repair man comes over or any number of situations.....Hell people in nudist colonies put their clothes on whenthey leave, even if they choose to wear very little.

i never said ONE word about leather....and kneeling in the path of others, if you mean directly in the line of foot traffic....well thats just ridiculous and rude. If you mean kneeling to the side, in view of others...then that can be done in a way where it does not attract attention so it doesn't impose much of anything on others.

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Need I bring up how rarely children act courteously in public situations?

They are Ums and you are an adult....and that is on the parents and that kinda stuff is inappropriate too....if you can't control your UM then take it home and teach it some manners....

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And I'll point out that you've switched tactic- first you were saying I am trying to force the issue, now you're trying to say I'm rude.


No i didn't switch (look back to my first response in this thread i said it there)....it is rude to force your sexual practices, or nudity on UMs. There is courtesy, respect for people around you and just plain manners... what i get from you is just basically selfish ideaology wanting to just be you regardless of those around you. That comes off as both rude and forcing.

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Why is it inappropriate to show my nipples anywhere?  Just because a law says it's wrong doesn't make it wrong.


OMG....isn't that what laws are supposed to do? Decide what is right and wrong? And as much as i love being naked, until the law says that is IS appropriate to show my private body parts just willy nilly anywhere than i will have to go with what the laws do say....and that it would be indecent exposure.

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Why?  Why is it different?  How is it "indecent" to be naked?  How it it "indecent" to wear leather?  How is it "indecent" to be led on a leash?

It's different, because on one side of the coin you have UM on the other side there are adults....there is a HUGE difference in what is appropriate for who.

it's indecent to be naked in public venues that aren't zoned for nudity because the law calls that INDECENT EXPOSURE...and again i said ZERO about leather....the leash thing is not inappropriate in the same way nudity would be or even close, but it is taking things that should be between consenting ADULTS and bringing it out to where UMs will see and question and may not have the mental/emotional ability to handle.
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So you think everything there is a law against is how the world should be?  That laws dictate what is good and right and best for all?


No, not even close and i even said that i don't necessarily agree with all of the societal norms or laws, but i can either vote to change those i disagree with and hope for the best or i can live with the laws as they are now and then if they change, act accordinly.


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I'm ok with that.  You don't want to respect my freedoms.


it isn't for a second that i don't have respect for your freedoms....it is the blatant selfish ADULT who doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else in the world, and that wouldn't bother be in the slightest cause most of us have some of that in us as well.... if not for your complete disregard for UMs and their development....the fact that you see that it is fine and dandy to impose your sexual nature onto them, that is where i have no respect for you.

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 12:48:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

They are infringing their children upon me just as much as I infringe my nipples on them.  I happen to find nothing harmful or shameful or wrong with nipples, and since I'm not the parents, it's not my responsibility to deal.


Has to be the best quote of the month, if not this year.

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The contradiction of parents is astounding "I want to teach my children how to embrace the world and learn about it and be truly open to new experiences....but not about things I'm not comfortable with so no one should do anything I'm not ready for them to handle and they are bad and wrong for doing so."


.Absofuckinglutely.
As a p.s - Darcy asks if he gets to see your nipples?
 
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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 12:52:04 PM   
RCdc


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Status: offline 		OK - this is a fast reply so as not to cause offense to people, but seriously - they are called CHILDREN - calling them UMs doesn't remove the fact you/we are talking about CHILDREN in a thread on a forum where it is prohibited to discuss matters involving CHILDREN.
 
UMS doesn't make talking about CHILDREN anyfuckingdifferent.
 
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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 12:53:29 PM   
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When is enough, enough? It is a question that I ask myself everyday. How far would you go to live a lifestyle you so desperately wanted, but know that society will be completely horrified by it.
How about making a human being a “pet”. A person, who by their own free will, agreeing to be turned into someone else’s property. To be lead around by collar and leash, caged up and spanked when bad, and rewarded for being loyal and good. To be taken care, feed, and clothed by the one they call Master, and to never think twice about running.
What would you do if you saw a man walking through a mall with his female companion being lead around with a leash? Would you point and stare? Would you insult them? Or would you look and see nothing wrong with it?
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I'd see a guy on a leash. I see weirder things at concerts.

How much is too much? Do you think people should have the right to walk around like this in public places? Exposed to children?
Personally I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. They have chosen a way of life and as long as they are not breaking any laws, causing undo harm to others, or impeding on other peoples rights it, should be perfectly fine. These two are willing participants and are very happy about the way they live their life. Isn’t that what everyone wants? To be as happy as possible in this very short life.

Depends on the intent. If walking around the mall and having people look at you in your leash gets you off, I consider that unfairly involving people in your kink and best reserved for play parties and other BDSM events.

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:01:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: daddyncherry
Nope i didnt say that...my point was, that the majority would think that it's inappropriate that is all....i said nothing about SHOULD anything.

Who cares what the majority of people find inappropriate then?  Aren't we supposed to encourage diversity and support the minority? 

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In most instances i would agree with you....but if it relates to sexual activities or soemthing like drugs, then your desire to do it "cause you like it" i would take issue with if UMs were around, absolutely.

Again the question is "Why?"

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And as far as if "being so important to have Ums there"..ummm it's a mall...not a bar, race track, adult theatre etc .....Some behaviors are just more appropriate for certain place...

You miss my point- you are imposing your children on me JUST AS MUCH as I am imposing my nudity on you.

Why is yours good and mine bad?

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i wouldn't lay on a table in the middle of a crowded restaurant and have sex, i wouldn't down shots at church (if i went), i wouldn't take off my clothes and strip in the middle of a friend's livingroom (uninvited) because there are certain places that are appropriate for certain activiites.

When it comes to imposing and actively seeking interaction with others, then yes, there's a problem.  When it comes to private spaces, then yes, there's a problem.

I'm sticking to public situations, in which the people are quietly and politely going about their business and do not seek or desire interaction with anyone else.

I see nothing wrong with nudity, leather, or leashes there.
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It's discourteous if you are naked around someone that doesn't want to see you in all your glory

So anyone who does something that another doesn't want to see is being discourteous?  I don't want to see you in those heels- does that mean you are being discourteous to me?

Again- you are imposing your CLOTHES upon me just as much as I am imposing my NUDITY upon me.  How does nudity cause damage, harm, distress to anyone except those who want to make it wrong or bad?  Just because it's a societal norm to be clothed doesn't automatically make nudity wrong.

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...or else there would be no need for malls cause we'd all just run around naked all the time

I don't get that, people didn't create malls as a haven for people to wear clothes.

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i much prefer being naked to being clothed but i wouldn't go naked to the grocey store.....or when a repair man comes over or any number of situations.....Hell people in nudist colonies put their clothes on whenthey leave, even if they choose to wear very little.

Yes, they do.  That is how the world is.

That doesn't mean it's right or that they would be being rude to be naked.
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i never said ONE word about leather....and kneeling in the path of others, if you mean directly in the line of foot traffic....well thats just ridiculous and rude. If you mean kneeling to the side, in view of others...then that can be done in a way where it does not attract attention so it doesn't impose much of anything on others.

OK so we're sticking to nudity then.

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No i didn't switch....it is rude to force your sexual practices, or nudity on UMs. There is courtesy, respect for people around you and just plain manners... what i get from you is just basically selfish ideaology wanting to just be you regardless of those around you. That comes off as both rude and forcing.

How is choosing to be dressed in a particular way a "sexual practice" and how is that rude?  How is it any more selfish then you telling me I need to wear clothes?  Why do you place your standards above mine?

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OMG....isn't that what laws are supposed to do? Decide what is right and wrong?

Oh no.  Laws impose consequences for behaviors at the time which certain people have decided need consequences for.

Anyone who thinks that laws decide what is right and wrong would be agreeing that slavery was right, and denying women the right to vote was right.

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And as much as i love being naked, until the law says that is IS appropriate to show my private body parts just willy nilly anywhere than i will have to go with what the laws do say....and that it would be indecent exposure.

This is understandable- that doesn't make nudity wrong or bad or rude.

It just makes it illegal.

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It's different, because on one side of the coin you have UM on the other side there are adults....there is a HUGE difference in what is appropriate for who.

How?  How is nudity bad for kids?
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it's indecent to be naked in public venues that aren't zoned for nudity because the law calls that INDECENT EXPOSURE

Again a law saying something is indecent doesn't mean it actually is indecent.

It's against the law in texas to own more than 6 sex toys.  Does that mean owning more than 6 sex toys is indecent and wrong?

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, but it is taking things that should be between consenting ADULTS and bringing it out to where UMs will see and question and may not have the mental/emotional ability to handle.

They can't handle seeing people naked?  Again, that's the parents responsibility to deal with, not mine.

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No, not even close and i even said that i don't necessarily agree with all of the societal norms or laws, but i can either vote to change those i disagree with and hope for the best or i can live with the laws as they are now and then if they change, act accordinly.

You're contradicting yourself here, you say laws decide the good, you say laws decide what's decent...and here you say you don't think laws really say anything.

Can't have both.
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it isn't for a second that i don't have respect for your freedoms....it is the blatant selfish ADULT who doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone else in the world, and that wouldn't bother be in the slightest cause most of us have some of that in us as well.... if not for your complete disregard for UMs and their development....the fact that you see that it is fine and dandy to impose your sexual nature onto them, that is where i have no respect for you.

Again how is nudity one's sexual nature?

How am I selfish?  Aren't you selfish by telling me I have to do what you want because you chose to have children?

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:05:30 PM   
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As a p.s - Darcy asks if he gets to see your nipples?

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:22:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		LA a question.... You claim to want freedom to express yourself as i understand it and that is fine, i applaud the sentiment.  However, the vanilla world has rights too, just as smokers and non-smokers do.  If a smoker who loved smoking went into the middle of a group of non-smokers and lit up, would that not be seen as discourteous? (ignore the health risks for now)  The smoker is enjoying the ciggy however and ignores the majority thus giving smokers a bad reputation...

i am as open minded as anyone on here, but would like to point out that respect for others does not include embarassing them, making them feel uncomfortable or putting them in an awkward position against their will...

Just a thought...

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:24:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark
As a p.s - Darcy asks if he gets to see your nipples?

the.dark.

LOL Of course, check email.


This is Darcy

*grins* - and very nice they are too LA  - a definite 9 out of 10 (naturally only the.dark. gets a 10  )

Thank you for that - it's made my evening!

Perhaps I should start a regular feature - Darcy's 'Rate My Nipples' - email entries to the usual place

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:25:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to say: Only in modern times. Once upon a time, smoking in planes was quite normal. Instead of smoking zones, there were non-smoking zones where people who didn't want to be around smoke had to sit.

What is rude or not is based on the norms of society, which are subject to change.

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:31:04 PM   
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If a smoker who loved smoking went into the middle of a group of non-smokers and lit up, would that not be seen as discourteous? (ignore the health risks for now)  The smoker is enjoying the ciggy however and ignores the majority thus giving smokers a bad reputation...

We'd also have to ignore the smell and lasting attachment of the smoke which causes damage.  If you took those away as well, then I'd say there wouldn't be a problem if they weren't in a private residence and if they weren't trying to actively call attention from others towards their smoking.
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i am as open minded as anyone on here, but would like to point out that respect for others does not include embarassing them, making them feel uncomfortable or putting them in an awkward position against their will...

Just a thought...

Gabrielle x

But why is my nudity putting them in an uncomfortable position and their clothedness not towards me?

It's ok for them to say I can't make them uncomfortable, but I can't say they make me uncomfortable?

That's the problem here- who is imposing on who? 

Now, how I operate in the world is very much as Juliet spoke her words.  I understand how the world is today, I understand how I need to play the game and I understand how to get where I want to be and I do NOT wish to make others upset.

But that's a far different cry from how I believe the world should be, and I will never understand how nudity in and of itself is considered anything bad or wrong.


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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:31:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are quite right, i was just searching for a comparison and a not very good one lol!  i think freely allowing yourself to shock those who are blissfully ignorant of the lifestyle is not very good manners no matter what the setting...

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:34:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		OP I don't think there are that many people here that shy away from participating in the lifestyle because of the vanilla public's impression.  I don't think designating whether something is legal or not is a good standard.  I think it's not uncommon for people to participate in BDSM activities that wouldn't be considered legal in many places.

With regard to the ongoing public display debate, this is always a hot button issue.  It's not something I could do as it would jeopardize my job, but it's also not something I would do because I find it rude and I really don't air my own personal relationships or activities to the general public ever that includes anything other than nominal PDA.  That's my opinion for me.  You are all of course welcome to feel and do as you wish.

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:34:37 PM   
GabrielleSlave


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Status: offline 		Yes, rubbish comparison really lol!

Do you actually go to the mall naked alot...................?

Gabrielle x

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:41:14 PM   
NakedOnMyChain


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ORIGINAL: BoundForFun


When is enough, enough? It is a question that I ask myself everyday. How far would you go to live a lifestyle you so desperately wanted, but know that society will be completely horrified by it.
How about making a human being a “pet”. A person, who by their own free will, agreeing to be turned into someone else’s property. To be lead around by collar and leash, caged up and spanked when bad, and rewarded for being loyal and good. To be taken care, feed, and clothed by the one they call Master, and to never think twice about running.
What would you do if you saw a man walking through a mall with his female companion being lead around with a leash? Would you point and stare? Would you insult them? Or would you look and see nothing wrong with it?
How much is too much? Do you think people should have the right to walk around like this in public places? Exposed to children?
Personally I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. They have chosen a way of life and as long as they are not breaking any laws, causing undo harm to others, or impeding on other peoples rights it, should be perfectly fine. These two are willing participants and are very happy about the way they live their life. Isn’t that what everyone wants? To be as happy as possible in this very short life.
What is normal? I don’t think there really is a “normal.” You see what the world wants you to see. A happy family of four. The Daddy, Mommy, Bobby, and little Susie in a three bedroom, suburbanite house surrounded by a white picket fence. The American Dream.
What is so wrong about having more then one partner? All living together? Wouldn’t it be better? All your needs being meet? Having more money coming in to help support the household? Everyone’s most sexual desires being fulfilled? Living the life you want to live and not the way others want you to live? Have we been so brainwashed into thinking we need to be on the straight and narrow that it just comes natural to us? I think so…


As long as people are within the law they have the right to do as they choose.  I really couldn't agree more.

I like to live my life by a very simple, if over-quoted tenet, "And it harm none, do what you will."  (I, of course, don't count consensual activities as "harm".)  There is also that lovely quote in the Charge of the Goddess by Doreen Valiente that claims, "All acts of love and pleasure are my rituals."  I like to consider myself a very ritualistic being, in a multitude of ways.  *grin*

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:46:19 PM   
LunaticDesign


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Status: offline 		I believe in the "my nose" rule of thumb when it comes to things like this.

Your right to hit me ends where my nose begins.

or a simplier way to explain it.

Anything that occurs between consenting Adults behind closed door is fine. Anything that occurs in public should be done with great care.

When you're in public you should be careful about what you do and what you seem to do. If you want to be lead around on a leash ok. Please bear in mind that it may have consequences.

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 1:57:57 PM   
AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: GabrielleSlave

You are quite right, i was just searching for a comparison and a not very good one lol!  i think freely allowing yourself to shock those who are blissfully ignorant of the lifestyle is not very good manners no matter what the setting...

Gabrielle x


Who says they are blissfully ignorant? Maybe they are a sub/dom who needs to see something to spark their interest, they just know their relationships are lacking and not why. Which isn't to say that people should run around exposing people to BDSM, but the idea that everyone who doesn't already know is blissful and doesn't want to be exposed, is lacking.

For that matter, what's wrong with a little shock if you aren't actively trying to offend? I've got bright purple hair. It shocks people, does that make me rude? I'm exposing children to the idea that you can have crazy hair and making their mothers explain it. That isn't why I have it, but does the fact that parents have to explain "Well she has purple hair because she wants to/she thinks it looks good/she's a fuckin' freak" make me a bad person?

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RE: A Rant: When is enough, enough? - 2/3/2008 2:04:25 PM   
RCdc


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I've got bright purple hair. It shocks people, does that make me rude? I'm exposing children to the idea that you can have crazy hair and making their mothers explain it. That isn't why I have it, but does the fact that parents have to explain "Well she has purple hair because she wants to/she thinks it looks good/she's a fuckin' freak" make me a bad person?


This is Darcy

I hear you. I have similar problems due to the fact that I'm so fantastically irresistable to women that mothers are constantly having to explain to their daughters* just why they feel a Death Star-like tractor beam pull towards me.

Ahhh, the torment.

*of consenting age, natually

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